Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Vecna]

Delightfull gorkington. You might be town yet.

[Gorkington]

which scumgames from leon do you feel resemble his play here the most?

[Leonshade]

Also Leon, wheres my Lion King gifs? Ali was jsut scumreading me in Code geass and then got shot in the face.

You don't seem the sentimental type. But I'll try.

Vecna, don't lynch me...

[nancy]

Leonshade staawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwp

[Leonshade]

from where i stand from having skimmed this game slightly,
kid looks way worse than leon to me.

I think that's a negative on Kid/Gork as scum together. Gork could be the tipping point between the two wagons.

[Gorkington]

I AM THE CHOSEN ONE

[Gorkington]

leon did you ever respond to vecna's big case on you involving meta?
or at least respond in detail to the general sentiment of your play here being worse than in geass?

[nancy]

YOU WERE MEANT TO DESTROY THE SITH, NOT JOIN THEM

[Gorkington]

im glad both wagons arent at l-1.

i think i would die if i had that much responsibility q.q

[Gorkington]

wtf
theres two days left?
vecna calm down lol

[nancy]

Leonshade you never responded to me calling one of your posts a scumpost.

[Leonshade]

leon did you ever respond to vecna's big case on you involving meta?
or at least respond in detail to the general sentiment of your play here being worse than in geass?

I did (if you mean 12598):

Spoiler:

While RC's defense is what's actually going on, Vecna did put it into perspective why he's scumreading me.

Code Geass was the result of a lot of time, effort and investment, none of which I've really had for this game. I didn't have the time to follow the game in the early game, I stopped putting in effort after the first couple days and my investment has dwindled a lot. I didn't even start putting in the time to figure out who has which wonder (which Code Geass!Leon would've done) until the time between my "scumclaim" and my temporary re-investment into the game. Even then I didn't figure out that davesaz had the investigation wonder until Gork and Vecna stated it.

I won't cry if I get lynched, my play here certainly doesn't warrant me being townread.

If I have to defend myself, I will say that the reasons I've been scumread are largely due to my lack of apparent effort, especially after D1/D2. This is due to lack of town motivation due to us doing so poorly. If I was scum, what reason would I have to be unmotivated? The game would be going really well from the POV of scum!Leon, who was largely avoiding suspicion in the early game. I don't claim to be a great scum player, but I think I at least could have kept up my D1/D2 level of play.

The above is largely WIFOM (I could just be faking apathy as a calculated move), but I'll say it for the sake of transparency.

I will say that there's been an unusual amount of VT claims lately (I count five including me, I might be forgetting someone), which makes me wonder whether they're all truthful. There's been 16 wonders available, with only three Wonders dead and 16 players remaining. That includes the two scum wonders, both of which I assume the scum would have. Since claiming a Wonder you don't have is too risky, the Encryptor and Janitor would pretty much be forced to claim VT.

I've also talked about the above more in general here and there, but I think the above covers most of it.

[Gorkington]

have you ever gotten overly apathetic in a game as town in a game with a lot of mechanics before?

[Leonshade]

Leonshade you never responded to me calling one of your posts a scumpost.

Where was this? Ctrl + F found nothing.

[Gorkington]

in game as town in a game.
wow
im a literal genius.

[Gorkington]

can you go into the general mindset you had when you were voting
beeboy on D1
abr on D2
sondam on D3?

[Gorkington]

also,
nancy
i saw earlier you were talking about yuri's play in this game being a strong indicator of kid's slot being town.
can you talk about that if im not misunderstanding what you were saying there?

[MathBlade]

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, Nero Cain, Lil Uzi Vert,

The town of you in these people need to join us on KidAmn. Hint: It's the scum wagon. Leonshade is who scum were floating to mislynch. Lots of noise was made and KidAmn and Vecna scum wagons disappeared. Do you honestly think this is a coincidence people? I don't.

[Gorkington]

vecna's probably town

[nancy]

If you're a townplayer that isn't actively scumreading me, I recommend learning from my mistakes. Wait to see who will hammer instead of rushing to end the day. I'm getting lynched here 100%, so squeeze every drop of info out of it.

This is scumposting btw.

Also what happened with your SR on Gorkington?

[nancy]

also,
nancy
i saw earlier you were talking about yuri's play in this game being a strong indicator of kid's slot being town.
can you talk about that if im not misunderstanding what you were saying there?

Don't think I did, quote it please.

[RadiantCowbells]

mafia in 2017 is gross

[Gorkington]

i could hunt for the misinterpreted quote, but probably not the best use of my time if i interpreted it wrong anyways.

[nancy]

mafia in 2017 is gross

What's gross about it?

[Leonshade]

have you ever gotten overly apathetic in a game as town in a game with a lot of mechanics before?

That's really specific, but probably not.

Last game I remember being apathetic in was Undertale, for somewhat similar reasons (large game with tons of activity). I don't like catching up, but I don't like ignoring large chunks of the game either, so too much activity can kill my interest. I prefer smaller games for many reasons, I only really join larger games when the mechanics or flavor seem interesting.

can you go into the general mindset you had when you were voting
beeboy on D1
abr on D2
sondam on D3?

Here's my summary on my beeboy vote at the time:

Spoiler:

Ah fuck.

VOTE: beeboy

L-1.

What changed your mind?

I never had beeboy as town. I checked out your ISO and your case is largely based on meta, but you're town here so I'm willing to sheep you.

Also doubting my ABR SR. Their play seems consistent now that they've explained their viewpoint.

But most importantly: we need a flip.

At that point in the game, I wasn't caught up and the game was still really active. I was literally just asking people to give me something to go on, so that the day could end, we could have a flip and I could catch up (see 4051). I ended up sheeping onto the beeboy wagon.

ABR I was scumreading, but it wasn't a read I was confident on. The two major wagons of the day were ABR and Vecna, and Vecna was a strong townread with ABR leaning scum. Creature and I tried to start a Kyouko counterwagon at one point, since I was more confident in my Kyouko SR than ABR, but it didn't take off and I'd much rather have lynched ABR than Vecna. Of the three mislynches, ABR was the only one that was in my own SRs.

Sondam was an end-of-day lynch. I made a list of my lynchables (9669) and while Sondam was not in my preferred lynches, it was the only one that was gaining steam that day, so I joined it. I figured that if another wagon would start, it would be on one of the other slots that had been wagoned that day (Creature, Caesar, davesaz), all of which I wanted less than Sondam. I was townreading Sondam D1/D2, but I started doubting my TR on that slot, along with my Yuri read, when I realized I had too many townreads.