Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

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Alisae-confirmed took neighboring Wonder day1

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N1 Titus hydra
N2 JaeReed hydra
N3 Pine/Caesar
N4 I think I read NoticeSenpai/Jaerred hydra again

Nero Cain- (claims VT) none day1, day2, day3, day4
MathBlade- claims took useless wonder
Leonshade- claims VT, tried to build Petra-tracker day2. Tried to build Cop day3.
Gorkington- (claims VT) (Creature claims he was roleblocked on night3)
Creature- claims took Roleblocker day3 (Dave claims night3 same role as Max)
RadiantCowbells

Caesar Wills It- (claimed VT) prob town via Max- probably night3 target, claims Forbidden Palace If built by town, at any time during the day, you may call upon the moderator to publicly confirm your alignment. If built by non-town, once per game during the day phase, you may target a single player to make any build request they submit for that day automatically fail. was not built day4 despite attempting to build it.

Lil Uzi Vert- (claims VT)-claims nobuild day1 & day2 & day3 & day4
Vecna- claims Sophia Redirector
CloudKicker

davesaz- claims Parity cop taken day3, got it over KidAdm, Leonshade, claims nobuild day1 & day2

NoticeMeSenpai or JaeReed (which one is it?)
nancy- (claims VT) Claims attempt to build day1 wonder Mausoleum on day2, no day1 claim, no day3, no day4 claim (or claim of no build by inference)

[PeregrineV]

would rather just say who I am willing to vote.

I have been doing that all game

And it has not worked very well.

So do not post who you are willing to vote.

Instead round up three of your hardest-core scumreads from all the evidence in this game that you can gather.

And give us the chance to ignore it,

And then call us out on it.

I did that already and it was ignored. Repeating the same damn thing and expecting different results is insanity.

Post number?

A shit ton in my ISO. I am not quoting my entire ISO.

Just the hard cases you posted about your hardest core scumreads. like 2-3 posts max, maybe per player.....

[PeregrineV]

@nancy- why not take the colossus?

[PeregrineV]

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Alisae-confirmed took neighboring Wonder day1

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N1 Titus hydra
N2 JaeReed hydra
N3 Pine/Caesar
N4 I think I read NoticeSenpai/Jaerred hydra again

Nero Cain- (claims VT) none day1, day2, day3, day4
MathBlade- claims took useless wonder
Leonshade- claims VT, tried to build Petra-tracker day2. Tried to build Cop day3.
Gorkington- (claims VT) (Creature claims he was roleblocked on night3)
Creature- claims took Roleblocker day3 (Dave claims night3 same role as Max)
RadiantCowbells- claimed GreatWall day3 build- then retracted claim- tried to build Pyramids day1

Caesar Wills It- (claimed VT) prob town via Max- probably night3 target, claims Forbidden Palace If built by town, at any time during the day, you may call upon the moderator to publicly confirm your alignment. If built by non-town, once per game during the day phase, you may target a single player to make any build request they submit for that day automatically fail. was not built day4 despite attempting to build it.

Lil Uzi Vert- (claims VT)-claims nobuild day1 & day2 & day3 & day4
Vecna- claims Sophia Redirector
CloudKicker

davesaz- claims Parity cop taken day3, got it over KidAdm, Leonshade, claims nobuild day1 & day2

NoticeMeSenpai or JaeReed (which one is it?)
nancy- (claims VT) Claims attempt to build day1 wonder Mausoleum on day2, no day1 claim, no day3, no day4 claim (or claim of no build by inference)

with Radiant stuff

[Nero Cain]

Math do you really think that Kid wagon was pushed by nothing but town and scum only jumped on at the end?

[Nero Cain]

@PV-it was Ali, Nancy and Vecna hopping between the Bee-Yuri wagons d1

[MathBlade]

This was written Pre PV scum claim so this:

I stopped when the page length got insane but I don't recall if Titus ever let me post this.

Spoiler: Page 1 Summary

Both Vecna and LUV vote for no resolution here to instantly give it weight. Meanwhile Leonshade (light town read but would lynch if no lynch would happen instead) and Maxous townread of the century try to figure out which is better. ObvTown PV votes Arts.

Vecna then throws shade on Arts and what it said are some of the most OP powers for town in a game that analyzes. Each player (per Nahdia's post) is limited to ONE wonder. Scum can't take them all. This is likely a complaint of "oh we can't stop another wonder". PV said it best why arts is a good choice. It's another wonder. Priority should have been Sciences, Arts, then None. I would have been okay with Arts. Just not NONE.

Spiffeh does damage control asking about Arts publically here.

Spoiler: Page 2 Summary

What's wrong with playing not to lose is that it is inherently playing to lose. It assumes town is incompetent before the majority have posted. Taking None says "I don't trust town to not be snowballed by scum". It's a subtle shade of every player in the game. Titus while being very annoying with her post ban can solve games. Me in my weird logic way is sometimes right. It's a matter of being given tools to do so. Voting to deny town tools is bullshit. FoS on LUV from that first post on page 2.

Vecna who already had shade from bullshit none reason props Vecna up. I can understand a town block. This has 0 foundation to be a mind merge block yet. They are all saying "none" for the same reasons. Scum don't have daychat so in this case it's really hard to manufacture authentic plans without it. Therefore this likely pressure of none is in order to control Town from having information. It's too quick to be all town like Titus was suggesting later. When she had that town block I was like fuck that noise. If anything they were all scum.

LUV then shades the wonders as "sucking" when these could instantly form a town block (as Titus described). I'm not a fan of townblocks but as in Undertale I do see their use and used it to lynch Maxous. I'm not 100% opposed to town blocks but I am opposed to them on no information and including people actively working against town interests gets a hell no from me.

Leonshade points out exactly the problem against LUV. Likely Leonshade and LUV opposite alignments here. Titus comes in and asks where 5 heads. It's a good question to ask but 5 heads in this is the most likely answer. I call that NAI. I doubt Nahdia swings too far from balance here and does something like 1 scum or 10 scum. If anything 3 and 3 could be possible too but if it's single ball it's almost certainly 5. I posted what I did about the first post later in the game to see reactions. The fact there is a wonder that confirms alignment means that there's probably just town and scum and this makes Leon probably town based on gut but it's a very light townread because as Titus said the 5 is too specific here it feels weird but IMHO probably town.

Then Spiffeh comes in and bolsters None as well. He says scum can take out the role that they are most threatened about. However that doesn't address the other Wonders that would exist in the game and that would stop them from NK'ing their biggest threat towards them being lynched. It'd be a scum's dilemma. I had the same in Shadowrun and had to buddy up to Frozen Angel for the reason she was the doctor but I couldn't kill her else I'd reveal I knew she was the doctor which would put a huge FoS on me when we were down a scum from a smart action from McMenno. This dilemma pins scum. Absolutely sure scum can plan but then we also see something similar to what we saw here at the start where all the scum are piling on None because it is clearly the pro scum choice.

Post 42 by Vecna is blatantly false. Town absolutely should discuss who should get what wonder. It's one of the best things town did in Shadowrun. To be frank I'm shocked I was able to invent an out and Scout wasn't lynched and I wasn't playing the game to win alone after accidentally directing the lynch onto the traitor. It's also what confirmed Maxous as scum to me because there HAD to be a liar between the two. We don't know what would be coming up at all.

Spiffeh then actually puts his vote where he says on none.

ABR then says he's a romanticist at heart. That's a art style that praises individualism. Source. ABR is always for less information being out there. This however is the one type of game where I think the emperor should streak naked sans pants. After Shadowrun I don't blame ABR. It also tells us he is against sciences and if he had to he'd vote arts. It's what looks like a throw away post but is actually very informative here.

Post 48 then is ABR following up on this. His none vote is one against sciences. He is very anti science but he actually gives a priority. Between this and something later is why I townread ABR hard. He just doesn't want to read this mountain of posts/activity.

Spiffeh then throws shade on Titus unnecessarily. We lost because I quit fighting for Magna scum. I had a bickering match and let Titus do her own thing because that was more fun and I replaced out of the hydra. I will NOT make that same mistake again. I will shut up when it is protown to do so but I won't ever stop telling her my scumreads. Hence why I did the bare minimum when she post banned me for not agreeing that Spiffeh was town (among others).

Spoiler: Page 3 Summary

Leonshade comes in and Vecna doesn't attack him for not campaigning for his option. This is odd for Vecna. Instead it makes a general plea to the group. This is likely because Vecna doesn't have to hunt. In PYP he was scum. Vecna and I play scum very similarly going through the scum PT. Vecna is all about control as scum. It was more important for it to get none than to fake hunt or get into an argument with Leonshade here. Vecna is already displaying an agenda rather than hunting. Source

Vecna being the first to bring up 5 players is an excellent response to Titus. IMHO it is a slip here. I deliberately did not mention it in my page one summary so that way Titus's POV could be preserved here as this is somewhat for her.

LUV then comes in and shades Titus again for saying she can't solve this game. WHY? He could just have kept his none post. There is no reason to shade Titus there. FoS on LUV increases. Especially after PYP when Titus was mostly right. If she had lived pretty sure that's a town win.

MariaR is having a bold opinion. Take a look at the PT where Maria R and Vecna were scum together. Maria was meeker than anything just more like "tell me what to do". MariaR in the other game trolled the start and tried to manipulate thoughts of her early and was wishy washy but loud. Never really posting an opinion. Maria R is the likely first townie to be deceived to the collaboration of scums voting for none.

Spiffeh then turns around and asks about the case for Sciences. This is more ignoring of Leonshade and going after Titus. Hint: It's because Titus is a threat who can solve this game when she isn't derping. Spiffeh is scum sis. *lightly smacks you* The alternative if I am wrong on one of my scum reads but I doubt Leon is scum here as he wouldn't highlight Vecna's post here. It's clear Leon doesn't believe Vecna slipped. It's very casual. I don't think Vecna slipped either BUT I do think it's fishy. If Leon is scum it'd be with Vecna or Leon is most likely town.

Vecna then just tries to brush Leon and Titus off with just "most likely" while that is accurate. 6 and 4/4 and 3/3 are also viable options. The fact is we just don't know and the 5 being first while likely is still suspect but not to "slip" levels. The smiley afterward and ignoring the Titus push is common of scum letting their buddy coast. If Vecna really thought Titus was being destructive Vecna would push here. But Spiffeh and Vecna can't appear too coordinated.

PV is town for trying to not push an agenda here. He's just calmly explaining to Titus where she can still do what she can without Sciences.

LUV then defends Vecna for doing the 5 post completely unnecessarily. I had been operating under a theory of 5 for a little bit. The proper townie thing to do would have been push Titus for her mistake. Instead neither of the three of them do. They push Titus for pushing science because the "NONE" is more important than the mislynch. Because if Titus gets her none she could easily steam roll this game and Titus is a very hard D1 mislynch.

LUV says we don't need powers. This is correct. We don't need powers. But we should be using every tool we are given. FoS LUV stronger.

Vecna and LUV don't have day chat so Vecna telling LUV to let it go is obvious as fuck. No way town says to a townread not to defend them. It may be obvious but you get reads from that. It deliberately shuts down conversation. Vecna as scum doesn't want to be talked about same with LUV. The center of attention is just bad for most scum players. I blame RNGJesus for this scum team because they work well together and are very good at deception (evidenced by their win before). I see the same markers as PyP.

Elbirn is trying to be ABR number 2. Obv Town.

Vecna at the end of page three then remembers he should townread LUV when he says not to defend him so he throws it in. You can use everything up to post 74 to townread LUV. =28406]LUV ISO. Please explain how that little content gets elevated to a town read. To quote Vecna, suspicion of Vecna grows

Spoiler: Page 4 Summary

Vecna again doesn't hunt and decides to instead be annoying with Elbrin. Spiffeh continues to push the scum dream of none. PV continues on his trying to convince and being transparent bit. Frogger repeats the same arguments rinsed washed and repeated by this point. And then "arts is just fucking stupid"...That's not even a reason. It's not clear it's stupid and it is just another way to sneak on "none".

A&N posts their FoS for people on none and I whole heartedly agree but not because they are voting none but because they are voting to deny town power. There isn't a scum benefit here that is so OP that we shouldn't have given town power. None was STUPID.

Elbirn then changes his mind and votes the same because of all the "voices" agreeing it should be the right then when it clearly isn't.

Titus here gets a scumread of Vecna and I thought "Yay...maybe a game where we agree..." Then Titus townreads Vecna and I'm like

LUV then asks us to imagine the damage. A Titus town doesn't let scum do the damage because she finds where scum were plotting and nukes them to orbit. Boooo....LUV's entire argument is scum deceive people imagine it. Then if they don't have powers THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE. Like OMG. They don't quit being scum because we deny town power. OMG.

And Vecna is on another planet if he thinks we're the same person. ROTFLMBO. He just threw shade on me before I even POSTED anything other than sciences. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PV I can understand his reasons for none over Sciences but Sciences with Titus is like fucking gold. I'm sorry that was crazy. Arts was second best and none third. The sciences are literally what brought us out of the dark ages. That's a GOOD thing.

[MathBlade]

Math do you really think that Kid wagon was pushed by nothing but town and scum only jumped on at the end?

Yes because daychat

[PeregrineV]

@Mod- Does priority for not building wonders accumulate?

As in, if a player does not build for one day, and tries for the same wonder as a player who does not build for 2 days, and no other players try for that wonder, and assuming no other forces affect the decision, does the player who did not build for 2 days have priority over the other player because of the not-building for 2 days?

[Nero Cain]

I don't think daychat would have anything to do with that...like at all.

[MathBlade]

I quit on page 11 with Titus and I am not spamming up the thread further.

A see every damn calculated move scum made and it annoys me that people just go "It is Math" so everything I say is useless so it is possibly MyLO so I am stuck in mud.

[MathBlade]

I don't think daychat would have anything to do with that...like at all.

You have to say that you're scum.

[PeregrineV]

Do we know Vecna claimed build attempts?

[Nero Cain]

I am not scum. jesus fuck math get over yourself.

[PeregrineV]

I quit on page 11 with Titus and I am not spamming up the thread further.

A see every damn calculated move scum made and it annoys me that people just go "It is Math" so everything I say is useless so it is possibly MyLO so I am stuck in mud.

If there are 14 alive, and 5 scum, leaving 9 town, how is today any chance of losing?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why am I scum for quitting when you've quit before I did?

[MathBlade]

MariaR towntold on page Three and the fact Vecna didn't see that is another reason still it is scum.

[MathBlade]

Why am I scum for quitting when you've quit before I did?

I quit paraphrasing every scummy thing.

I didn't quit the game.

[Nero Cain]

you were town reading me until I started pushing me and you've been OMGUSing me ever sense. You have no case on me and you need to grow the fuck up and go "hrmmm...maybe its possible that I'm that I'm not as townies as I think I am." of course if you are scum and I was riht to beging with then fair enough but if you are town you really really need to start thinking about the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That is basically quitting. No one can follow because you've stopped doing that.

[PeregrineV]

you were town reading me until I started pushing me and you've been OMGUSing me ever sense. You have no case on me and you need to grow the fuck up and go "hrmmm...maybe its possible that I'm that I'm not as townies as I think I am." of course if you are scum and I was riht to beging with then fair enough but if you are town you really really need to start thinking about the game.

who are your 5 scumreads?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What you just posted are actual things I can respond to.

[Nero Cain]

Math how do I make sense in a team with Vecna and Nancy?

[MathBlade]

I quit on page 11 with Titus and I am not spamming up the thread further.

A see every damn calculated move scum made and it annoys me that people just go "It is Math" so everything I say is useless so it is possibly MyLO so I am stuck in mud.

If there are 14 alive, and 5 scum, leaving 9 town, how is today any chance of losing?

14 Town means 8 majority. 14 - 8 = 6.

If scum are hoarding vig and get second it is GG if we mislynch
12-7 = 5

Only confirmed powers are daychat and whatever fucked with Dave for scum.

[Nero Cain]

you were town reading me until I started pushing me and you've been OMGUSing me ever sense. You have no case on me and you need to grow the fuck up and go "hrmmm...maybe its possible that I'm that I'm not as townies as I think I am." of course if you are scum and I was riht to beging with then fair enough but if you are town you really really need to start thinking about the game.

who are your 5 scumreads?

Vecna, Nancy, RC, Ali, Leon