Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nero Cain]

nstead I was trying to get leonshade lynched.

So......stop making up all these lies please?

so why are you content with my wagon?

Who is the scumteam?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

it didnt occur to you that scum having it was really really terrible?

Did it not occur to you that I perhaps would not enjoy having a power that I know I would not make the best use of?

[MathBlade]

Furthermore how would nancy tell you visiting Santa Claus is illegal?

[Vecna]

Like it is so weird but I can't tell if it is coming from scum Vecna who had this response typed up in scum chat lol

Yeah, I was already afraid people would go down that line of reasoning, and I had almost decided to not even out my visit unless I had to.

[MathBlade]

Pretty sure I would remember conversations about Santa Claus.

[Nero Cain]

why didnt you pick leaning tower?

I didn't really want it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't think you had this preplanned to be honest.

[MathBlade]

Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

There answer should be no then you lied Vecna.

[Vecna]

Why would you even assume she was going to build red fort?

It was a longshot, but I thought she might take it since she thought she was going to die that night - and her making it into the new neighbourhood and getting docsaved would result in a scum-catch with that wonder.

This way, it couldve resulted in 2. I had hoped she'd think about this plan.

Why would she assume she would be KILLED & NEIGHBORED & DOCCED all in the same night?

Read the description of the 3 person neighbourhood wonder that was availlable last day. Its not that far-fetched with the little Alisae/Notice/Nancy thing they have going on.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Holy shit lol

[Nahdia]

Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

Not unless the wonder itself specifies that it can.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Holyyyyyy

[PeregrineV]

Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

There answer should be no then you lied Vecna.

@Mod- Can I be the target of an action?

[MathBlade]

You're not taking into account Gerry at all...

I had one game experience with Gerry not enough for a meta tell but if I canread one head and it tells the whole head does. Sondam Town told. I didn't need to take into account Gerry head.

Damn this thread accelerated all of a sudden.

Anyways.....I even said Gerry was probably town when I voted him. My reason for voting him was pure annoyance with his terrible play, and I stated as much. If youre going to use such arguments, look at all your townreads first because it was them that actually went on to speedhammer the slot.

And yes, I did townread LUV very early. Yes it was mostly meta. Who the fuck are you to tell me I cannot do that, yet you do the _EXACT_ same thing with Drixx all game long. You have townread the slot over like 10 posts over the entirity of day 1. Stop being such a hypocrit and coming up with shit reasons just to cling to your scumread of me.

day1, day2, day3 build attempts & any actions lastnight, please

@Venca

Day1 I tried to build that wonder that Mathblade ended up getting (stonehenge its called I think?)

Day 3 I denied the wonder investigation manipulator to scum.

I did not use it Night 3

On night 4 I used my wonder with an invalid order that would still visit Nancy, in the hopes of visiting the red fort builder (the wonder that shows who visits you every night). This in the offchance to detect whether or not creature really did roleblock me. Sadly Nancy did not build the Red Fort.

You wonder only fucks with investigations what did you do?

I visited Nancy, and stated that if she got visited by the TRACKER (Petra) wonder, it would show her as visiting ME. But the tracker wonder died with Sondamn, so there is no way my action couldve changed anything.

I did confirm with the GM it would still count as a visit however - so if Nancy had built Redfort as I had hoped it wouldve served as a nice check whether Creature really did RB me.

.....now tell me if that sounds like a scum motivated action, Mathblade.....

Or a dastardly clever plan to determine whether creature is lying to us.

So you can't do that as the wonder doesn't exist as it is on a dead player so the wonder doesn't exist.

Moderator: Do you allow defunct actions like targeting/interacting/selecting of dead players possessions? This is assuming the wonder doesn't call that out.

[Vecna]

inb4 Dave targeted Nancy and RC and Vecna just happened to use his wonder that night.

And what would have stopped me from doing this, but not outing it if i was scum?

Also, you do realize the plan was to roleblock me right? In most likelyhood (unless creature is scum) that is what happened, and nothing that I came up with mattered at all.

this was all a longshot to test whether creature really did roleblock me.

And to be honest, its not that interesting to discuss to this extent......unless you guys wanna keep poking at my weird plans and all that.

[PeregrineV]

Why would you even assume she was going to build red fort?

It was a longshot, but I thought she might take it since she thought she was going to die that night - and her making it into the new neighbourhood and getting docsaved would result in a scum-catch with that wonder.

This way, it couldve resulted in 2. I had hoped she'd think about this plan.

Why would she assume she would be KILLED & NEIGHBORED & DOCCED all in the same night?

Read the description of the 3 person neighbourhood wonder that was availlable last day. Its not that far-fetched with the little Alisae/Notice/Nancy thing they have going on.

How would Notice and Nancy have anything going on?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why were you doubting if Creature would RB you?

[Nero Cain]

why would you think your thing would work if you were expecting to be RBed?

[Vecna]

vecna, if youre not scumreading math, can you stop trolling them?

oof, now thats kind of a big ask.......Im already sacrefising so much of my joy this game.

Ill try I guess, but Im not going to stop trying to talk sense into them and make them see the truth that is my townyness.

[Gorkington]

14993 and Vote nancy

not claiming.
i dont see the serious benefits to knowing my pred's build request and i seriously think theres potential for it to help scum SPECIFICALLY in this instance.
and im not voting anyone anytime soon.

Did it not occur to you that I perhaps would not enjoy having a power that I know I would not make the best use of?

I didn't really want it.

if either of you are town, theres a distinct chance that youre the specific reason that we're so fucked today.
so thanks for that.

[Vecna]

Pretty sure I would remember conversations about Santa Claus.

this was all between me and the gm!

Mean, mean anti-santa clause policies I tell you.

[Nahdia]

Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

There answer should be no then you lied Vecna.

@Mod- Can I be the target of an action?

Depends on the action. You are considered dead so by default, no.

[MathBlade]

In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

[Nero Cain]

if either of you are town, theres a distinct chance that youre the specific reason that we're so fucked today.

us not selecting a wonder has like F all to do with anything.

[Vecna]

Moderator: Can anyone target a dead player?

There answer should be no then you lied Vecna.

I never said anything about targeting dead players. I merely stated if the tracker wonder were to be used on nancy last night, and I wasnt roleblocked, my wonder wouldve done something.

you can ask the gm if my wonder can be used to fake results from wonders that are no longer in play though.