Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Vecna]

Ok, let me just help you out there with the proper question for the GM.

Dear Santa-clause hating gamemaster,

Would you allow me to submit an order with the Hagia Sofia, where I:

Target a Living player (Nancy),

And state that if he was visited by a wonder that no longer exists,

that wonder would give a different result, for me to specify?

[Nero Cain]

Each night, you may target a player. Specify a wonder with an investigative action,

as well as a potential result for that action

. If your target is targeted by the specified wonder, the result of the investigation will become the result you provided.

Am I misreading this or is it Vecna would target a player

AND

and investigation wonder and if his target (lets say Nancy in this case) is targeted by a investigation wonder then the investigation gets whatever Vecna supplied as a result...so its bus driverish?

[Vecna]

(cant believe were really talking about my little wonder lol-moment for like 5 pages by now, poor gm).

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Potential vs. possible? Hmmm

[Vecna]

This is kinda neat though.......

Like, unless you guys really believe I went through all this shit as scum....

This pretty much townclears me

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Techincally any result is a potential one unless mod takes into account gamestate

[Gorkington]

And yes, I think Gorkington is very likely scum,

as I have already stated since

.

since when??

[Vecna]

Well, when the gm confirms that this really actually happened ofcourse.

[Nero Cain]

Like, unless you guys really believe I went through all this shit as scum....

that's incredibly possible.

[nancy]

Math if you're scum here, you deserve a scummie.

Nah. If they're scum they abused the hydra dynamic in the worst way and should never hydra again.

[MathBlade]

This is kinda neat though.......

Like, unless you guys really believe I went through all this shit as scum....

This pretty much townclears me

I have literally invented alternate universes on DLP to get confTown lynched as to not lynch who I thought my recruiter was using Madoka magicka

It does nothing of the sort.

[Gorkington]

if nancy is actually scum

im going to be sad.

[Vecna]

Math if you're scum here, you deserve a scummie.

Nah. If they're scum they abused the hydra dynamic in the worst way and should never hydra again.

True, plus some ethical stuff I really dont want to get into again here.

[MathBlade]

That is not an exaggeration. I invented something so insane people bought it.

[Nahdia]

In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

This question is... difficult to answer.

Hagia Sophia does not

target

a wonder, it specifies one as part of the action submission. It

targets

a player, one who must be alive.

Then the wonder has to exist right...Player is dead wonder doesn't exist? Aka no effect

As part of the submission for the Hagia Sophia action, the user must specify an investigative wonder and a potential result for that wonder. Both of those submissions must be

valid

, meaning that the wonder does have to exist as part of the setup (that has been revealed; you can't use it to try to guess at future wonders), and that the result must be an actually possible result.

If you're still confused, I suggest asking more specific questions.

Ok, let me just help you out there with the proper question for the GM.

Dear Santa-clause hating gamemaster,

Would you allow me to submit an order with the Hagia Sofia, where I:

Target a Living player (Nancy),

And state that if he was visited by a wonder that no longer exists,

that wonder would give a different result, for me to specify?

Assuming you HAVE the Hagia Sophia?

Yes.

[PeregrineV]

Why would you even assume she was going to build red fort?

It was a longshot, but I thought she might take it since she thought she was going to die that night - and her making it into the new neighbourhood and getting docsaved would result in a scum-catch with that wonder.

This way, it couldve resulted in 2. I had hoped she'd think about this plan.

Why would she assume she would be KILLED & NEIGHBORED & DOCCED all in the same night?

Read the description of the 3 person neighbourhood wonder that was availlable last day. Its not that far-fetched with the little Alisae/Notice/Nancy thing they have going on.

How would Notice and Nancy have anything going on?

@Vecna

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You could technically still target a dead player based on how it is worded, not that it matters but just pointing out.

[nancy]

Going "ROLEFISHING" at that is just adhering to blind, textbook stuff instead of taking context into account. Scum already know everything I've talked about and more, the only reason for me to "rolefish" here as scum would be to emulate my town play.

The information you're trying to reveal significantly increases the likelihood of scum being able to block a townie from building and steal the vig at no real benefit to Town.

[PeregrineV]

if nancy is actually scum

im going to be sad.

High likelihood.

[RadiantCowbells]

Leonshade (1): nancy

[Vecna]

This is kinda neat though.......

Like, unless you guys really believe I went through all this shit as scum....

This pretty much townclears me

I have literally invented alternate universes on DLP to get confTown lynched as to not lynch who I thought my recruiter was using Madoka magicka

It does nothing of the sort.

Yeah, but this has to have been predetermined - with so many small contingencies pre-thought out during the nightphase, that even you must have some pretty big question-marks next to your vecna read if youre honest, if the gm confirms this couldve happened, no?

Vecna, mistakingly clearing himself through absurd game-mechanics

[Vecna]

In civ games when a civ dies the wonder dies (except civ 6 sometimes) so can Hagia Sophia target a dead wonder as that wonder doesn't exist? Similar to how I can't target PV.

This question is... difficult to answer.

Hagia Sophia does not

target

a wonder, it specifies one as part of the action submission. It

targets

a player, one who must be alive.

Then the wonder has to exist right...Player is dead wonder doesn't exist? Aka no effect

As part of the submission for the Hagia Sophia action, the user must specify an investigative wonder and a potential result for that wonder. Both of those submissions must be

valid

, meaning that the wonder does have to exist as part of the setup (that has been revealed; you can't use it to try to guess at future wonders), and that the result must be an actually possible result.

If you're still confused, I suggest asking more specific questions.

Ok, let me just help you out there with the proper question for the GM.

Dear Santa-clause hating gamemaster,

Would you allow me to submit an order with the Hagia Sofia, where I:

Target a Living player (Nancy),

And state that if he was visited by a wonder that no longer exists,

that wonder would give a different result, for me to specify?

Assuming you HAVE the Hagia Sophia?

Yes.

VICTORY.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well lol rip

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record, regardless of my read on you which I will keep to myself, I once invented a role and spent like 10 posts asking the mod questions about it in chat as a goon.

[Nero Cain]

So Vecna knew Dave was an investigation wonder and could have targeted him and Nancy/or RC. hrmmmm....

Who were your two targets Vecna?

Why aren't you voting me Nancy?

Why aren't you reacting to Nancy's vote on you, Leon?