Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Vecna]

if I think the plan is better than me/luv taking vig, nancy/leon taking big ben, and caesar going for rolestopper, sure

The plan will divide wonders in such a way that we can test a -grand- number of claims at once, and will likely catch a not too modest number of scum in the process.

[PeregrineV]

So yeah nancy first I think.

Yes.

[Vecna]

And how is being more egotistical going to solve the problem RC? That's literally what've you been since you subbed in which is why I said you aren't what the gamestate needed.

No, this gamestate doesn't need a leader. There's 5 people trying to play town leader and half are scum and the other half are shit. The game needs someone with competent reads.

If you're going to propose yourself as the competent one then you're going to have to explain things and not just shout about it.
I'm getting

really

tired of asking for this.

He has always been doing that Vecna.

He wasnt at the start of the game Math. Not untill I pointed out the differences that I noticed in my large comparison. At any rate, its of no consequence for now.

[PeregrineV]

Why doesn't it fit with Nero?

Davesaz isn't voting Nero
Nero did their best to avoid voting Leon yesterday

Cloud would definitely be in there

Hmmm yeah, allthough to be fair he still has to out his targets of his wonder. The fact he's still waiting with that is kind of annoying, and might just be to wait out to push for their preferred lynch.

THE TOWN DEMANDS ANSWERS. DAVESAZ, REVEAL YOUR TARGETS. NO MORE DELAYING.

I don't know what time this was posted, but I got up at 7:30, went to the doctor office at 8:15, got to work at 9:15, and it's now 10:35 and I'm reviewing the thread while listening to a meeting.

I will decide when I reveal, nobody else tells me what to do. Ever. Especially when all of the people asking me to do it are people I'm scumreading!

Creature has not revealed a target. Why not?

Aside from that I have seen what I needed to see. I guess it doesn't matter what Creature did.

Targets =

nancy, Nero

Thoughts behind these? Are you townreading one and not the other?

[Nero Cain]

you targeted Nancy and who last night Vecna?

[Vecna]

Nero, can you confirm that you did not attempt to build anything this game?

yes. Who'd you target last night, nancy and ????

My wonder only targets one person.

And then you specify a IF visited by X, results of visit gets changed to *insert result*

I visited Nancy, with the IF being a tracker visit, which cannot happen anymore.

[davesaz]

I'm at the bottom of page 628. Someone mentioned PyP where I had amassed a full poker hand without anyone even knowing until someone hinted at it the day before scum killed me. That's what I do, accumulate info and ways of getting info. My early days suck and I don't give many reads. When I survive to late game and have info then town might win. Not saying this for ego, I don't really care what y'all think of me. What I don't like are the other egos that people seem to fawn over. Math and Vecna cutting a deal on driving who constructs what, RC yelling at people to vote Nero, etc. How do we know they're all town, or in fact if any of them are town? Them saying they're town and people townreading them makes it likely but not certain.

I think I might want to have a say...

[MathBlade]

if I think the plan is better than me/luv taking vig, nancy/leon taking big ben, and caesar going for rolestopper, sure

The plan will divide wonders in such a way that we can test a -grand- number of claims at once, and will likely catch a not too modest number of scum in the process.

Don't be like the US republicans and healthcare please and make big promises you can't keep. I will build a plan but saying it would test a lot of claims and work is very difficult as scum can lie and frame people.

The idea isn't to test claims it is to create 1v1s that work in our favor. Because scum will lie Vecna.

[Vecna]

The more people try to influence it, the more scum can manipulate it so we do not catch any of them.

The best way is we agree before-hand that my plan is final, unless some really really good suggestions for changes get made.

That way we can punish any scum trying to escape the trap.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I think the plan is good I'll go for it. If I think the plan is bad I won't.

[Nero Cain]

And then you specify a IF visited by X, results of visit gets changed to *insert result*

I visited Nancy, with the IF being a tracker visit

Petra was dead. What wonder did you think was a tracker?

[MathBlade]

The more people try to influence it, the more scum can manipulate it so we do not catch any of them.

The best way is we agree before-hand that my plan is final, unless some really really good suggestions for changes get made.

That way we can punish any scum trying to escape the trap.

Considering I scumread you I don't consent to your plan is final but your plan would be tweaked.

Saying your plan would test a majority of claims is ridiculous. Sorry. It just won't work because scum lie.

For all we know LUV could have daychat (I disagree) but then claims all wonders suck claims he has high priority and a buddy like you who claimed Hagia Sophia which we have no evidence for actually didn't build crap and then saves him by doing what he was supposed to do. While farfetched this is possible and so testing a bunch of claims like that won't work. Instead the goal is 1v1s.

[Vecna]

And then you specify a IF visited by X, results of visit gets changed to *insert result*

I visited Nancy, with the IF being a tracker visit

Petra was dead. What wonder did you think was a tracker?

Ive explained it 3 full times now. The wonder being dead was the exact point.

Now, can you confirm that you did not try to build anything?

[Nero Cain]

For all we know LUV could have daychat

you think I have the daychat wonder but and you think LUV is scum but you don't think he's using daychat?

[Vecna]

The more people try to influence it, the more scum can manipulate it so we do not catch any of them.

The best way is we agree before-hand that my plan is final, unless some really really good suggestions for changes get made.

That way we can punish any scum trying to escape the trap.

Considering I scumread you I don't consent to your plan is final but your plan would be tweaked.

Saying your plan would test a majority of claims is ridiculous. Sorry. It just won't work because scum lie.

For all we know LUV could have daychat (I disagree) but then claims all wonders suck claims he has high priority and a buddy like you who claimed Hagia Sophia which we have no evidence for actually didn't build crap and then saves him by doing what he was supposed to do. While farfetched this is possible and so testing a bunch of claims like that won't work. Instead the goal is 1v1s.

And it will include those Math, possibly even 1v1v1 so scum cannot simply use forbidden palace on one person where required.

[MathBlade]

For all we know LUV could have daychat

you think I have the daychat wonder but and you think LUV is scum but you don't think he's using daychat?

I think LUV if scum is using daychat.

I was playing devil's advocate of someone else building it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Me <
Daychat <

Pick one lol

[Nero Cain]

Now, can you confirm that you did not try to build anything?

i've said yes like 5 times now and been asked by multiple ppl.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also me being on the vig is mandatory

[MathBlade]

Vecna that sounds like a used car salesman. Or Trump.

I plan on examining it with more microscopes than a laboratory.

[Nero Cain]

He's just scum, leave the poor guy alone.

[davesaz]

LOL -- caught up, saw the questions about assertiveness, then got to my post where I repeat the same thing I always say -- I'm shit without data and killer with it, so of course I wasn't assertive earlier in the game.

[MathBlade]

BaeReed how does your theory change now that Maxous is confirmed Hanging Gardens?

[Vecna]

Also me being on the vig is mandatory

Why?

[Vecna]

LOL -- caught up, saw the questions about assertiveness, then got to my post where I repeat the same thing I always say -- I'm shit without data and killer with it, so of course I wasn't assertive earlier in the game.

Fair enough dave, that does make sense.