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Post Post #16200 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:53 am

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In post 16190, Creature wrote:Otherwise, we have a certain Caesar to wagon.
Why did you refuse to hammer this yesterday, and now you go "oh lets hammer this today"?

I want a detailled explenation here, because this makes little sense.
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Post Post #16201 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:53 am

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In post 16196, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16186, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 16182, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16175, RadiantCowbells wrote:I feel like I'm bashing my head on a wall trying to talk to this stupid town
Quit repeating yourself and use evidence otherwise it's spam and I don't give two fucks. Right now I think you're misguided town but the more you go against what is clearly the better lynch without reasons my read of you drops fast.
Go fuck yourself. you're dead awful at this game
Maxous said the same thing to me as scum. Town and scum say this.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28780

FYI Alisae town meta.

He uses lots of sentences and ESPECIALLY or CAPS as town and uses that quite often. Alisae is town by meta too LUV.
Yes but that doesn't answer the question of why scum would night kill him.
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Post Post #16202 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:54 am

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In post 16193, Leonshade wrote:I will not vote nancy today.
Why not?
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Post Post #16203 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:54 am

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In post 16200, Vecna wrote:
In post 16190, Creature wrote:Otherwise, we have a certain Caesar to wagon.
Why did you refuse to hammer this yesterday, and now you go "oh lets hammer this today"?

I want a detailled explenation here, because this makes little sense.
I don't really remember Caesar ever getting to L-1. Though, if he did, I probably didn't hammer because I don't like being the hammerer.
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Post Post #16204 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:55 am

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Maybe I view the doc role differently but Alisae would not be my first choice.
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Post Post #16205 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:55 am

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And I can assure you not everyone else's here either.
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Post Post #16206 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:55 am

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In post 16201, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16196, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16186, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 16182, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16175, RadiantCowbells wrote:I feel like I'm bashing my head on a wall trying to talk to this stupid town
Quit repeating yourself and use evidence otherwise it's spam and I don't give two fucks. Right now I think you're misguided town but the more you go against what is clearly the better lynch without reasons my read of you drops fast.
Go fuck yourself. you're dead awful at this game
Maxous said the same thing to me as scum. Town and scum say this.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28780

FYI Alisae town meta.

He uses lots of sentences and ESPECIALLY or CAPS as town and uses that quite often. Alisae is town by meta too LUV.
Yes but that doesn't answer the question of why scum would night kill him.
A neighborhood scum can't control,
Another player they can't mislynch,
A player who would be central to a JaeReed, me, Alisae town block?
A player who scum likely have been slowly pushing in the background to discount him?

Why would scum NOT kill Alisae is a better question?

Alisae would have been MY first choice.
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Post Post #16207 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:56 am

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Oh wow, my brain just did another one of those fart-thingies. Sorry, I clearly have been staring at this too long.

Im out for a while.

Ill come with a proposal-plan tomorrow most likely. Dont submit orders to the GM yet. Feel free to propose stuff to include in the meantime.
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Post Post #16208 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:56 am

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I'm telling you guys its a Nancy/Leon/RC/Vecna team. I still think Ali is the 5th but I'm slightly willing to think about the doc thing but Ali being nigtkilled doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Ali could easily fake meta.
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Post Post #16209 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:57 am

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In post 16202, Vecna wrote:
In post 16193, Leonshade wrote:I will not vote nancy today.
Why not?
I townread her.
In post 16204, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Maybe I view the doc role differently but Alisae would not be my first choice.
Not relevant to whether JaeReed would. JaeReed's a different type of player from you.
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Post Post #16210 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:58 am

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In post 16206, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16201, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16196, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16186, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 16182, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16175, RadiantCowbells wrote:I feel like I'm bashing my head on a wall trying to talk to this stupid town
Quit repeating yourself and use evidence otherwise it's spam and I don't give two fucks. Right now I think you're misguided town but the more you go against what is clearly the better lynch without reasons my read of you drops fast.
Go fuck yourself. you're dead awful at this game
Maxous said the same thing to me as scum. Town and scum say this.


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=28780

FYI Alisae town meta.

He uses lots of sentences and ESPECIALLY or CAPS as town and uses that quite often. Alisae is town by meta too LUV.
Yes but that doesn't answer the question of why scum would night kill him.
A neighborhood scum can't control,
Another player they can't mislynch,
A player who would be central to a JaeReed, me, Alisae town block?
A player who scum likely have been slowly pushing in the background to discount him?

Why would scum NOT kill Alisae is a better question?

Alisae would have been MY first choice.
Simple. His play this game and his meta. What about his play this game has been pro-town outside of choosing a Neighbor Wonder?
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Post Post #16211 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:58 am

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In post 16209, Leonshade wrote:I townread her.
no shit sherlock but WHY.
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Post Post #16212 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:58 am

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If you remove my name, you might just be correct Nero.
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Post Post #16213 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:58 am

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In post 16209, Leonshade wrote:
In post 16202, Vecna wrote:
In post 16193, Leonshade wrote:I will not vote nancy today.
Why not?
I townread her.
In post 16204, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Maybe I view the doc role differently but Alisae would not be my first choice.
Not relevant to whether JaeReed would. JaeReed's a different type of player from you.
It is relevant. Why did they think picking up a neighbor Wonder outweighed their overall play and meta knowledge?
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Post Post #16214 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:59 am

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In post 16208, Nero Cain wrote:I'm telling you guys its a Nancy/Leon/RC/Vecna team. I still think Ali is the 5th but I'm slightly willing to think about the doc thing but Ali being nigtkilled doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Ali could easily fake meta.

Ali is not scum.
Leon is not scum else BaeReed would be dead. Not Maxous who I didn't see any crumbs from.
RC is likely stubborn town.

nancy and Vecna are the only possibles. And how Vecna is coming around to what I've been saying and fixing its reads it might not be scum and if it is scum it's bussing nancy today so I don't mind working with it to lynch scum today. In other words if Vecna is scum he's helping lynch scum.

Pedit: Why do you townread nancy Leonshade?

nancy has a lot of evidence against her?
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Post Post #16215 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:59 am

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This is similar to his neighbor choice. Most town wouldn't have neighborized The DEO. You make conclusions off that.
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Post Post #16216 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:00 am

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It is why I tried to round up answers to see what is more likely than judged his reasoning.
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Post Post #16217 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:01 am

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Even if I was convinced of the town motivation, it doesn't make him town.
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Post Post #16218 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:02 am

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In post 16215, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This is similar to his neighbor choice. Most town wouldn't have neighborized The DEO. You make conclusions off that.
I disagree. Having been a neighborizer myself and making choices people don't understand but are pro town is pro town.

A town that is unlikely to die (as our slot was chaotic) is a great neighborizer choice.

I hate the neighborizer role and Titus knows this but I know lots of theory about it having been in nearly 40-50% of all games on site having hoods I'm well versed in neighborhood meta and how to do it right.

Again you are trying to read Alisae by not doing what YOU would do.
What Alisae would do may be different. What matters is if it was townie to neighborize my hydra and the answer is wholeheartedly yes.
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Post Post #16219 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:03 am

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In post 16211, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 16209, Leonshade wrote:I townread her.
no shit sherlock but WHY.
Answered this a lot, including when you've asked it.
In post 16213, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It is relevant. Why did they think picking up a neighbor Wonder outweighed their overall play and meta knowledge?
Hm? JaeReed's claimed to TR Ali due to their tone etc., not the wonder.
In post 16214, MathBlade wrote:nancy has a lot of evidence against her?
Only evidence I've seen is the Great Zimbabwe thing, and I think that has an explanation. Still waiting for nancy to come back.
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Post Post #16220 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:04 am

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No it is not what I would do. It is what town is most likely to do in said scenario.
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Post Post #16221 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:04 am

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Gin seemed bad...
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Post Post #16222 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:05 am

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Would anyone actually townread him?
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Post Post #16223 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:05 am

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Alisae to be scum would have to hamper scum.
Have to pick me WITHOUT talking with scum.

Have to do it with the only wonder.
Have to replicate their town meta perfectly.
Have to fool BaeReed the doctor.
Not kill BaeReed the doctor who after the crumb was claimed to Alisae so likely claimed to Alisae before.

In order to scumread Ali you have to get me to accept all of this.

In other words not a snowball's chance in hell. Alisae is town.
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Post Post #16224 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:05 am

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Then I try to judge the person. I'm trying to figure out why Jae thought scum took Ali being a neighbor into account more than his play and his meta.
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