Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 5.13

nancy (3):

Nero Cain, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert

Nero Cain (3):

RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Leonshade

Gorkington (2):

Creature, nancy

Not Voting (6):

MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, davesaz, NoticeMeSenpai, Vecna, Gorkington

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-10 14:55:00), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Industrial Era Wonders & Resolution

[MathBlade]

Ali
Leon
RC

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3 people who aren't willing to vote nancy. Can we get 8?

No one wanted to lynch spiffeh at the start of the game. That isn't how alignment is determined.

Again a reason why nancy is town. Otherwise vote her.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm already voting her lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Okay if we consider your vote on and Dave's that is 5. Gork is scum reading nancy so that is potentially 6. Notice was also scum reading nancy.

Would just come down to Ceasar, Creature, and Vecna.

[MathBlade]

Vecna says nancy is the lynch today so that is 7. nancy will be lynched today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rip RC lol

[Leonshade]

CK's claim is trying to build Hanging Gardens D1, followed by trying to build nothing. Only other living players who claimed a failed D1 build attempt are Vecna (who has Hagia Sofia) and RC.

So if CK is scum, he probably went for the Encryptor. Though that doesn't mean he has it, actual Encryptor holder might simply be lying about not going for a build attempt.

The case for lynching Nero today (more accurately, RC's case) instead of later is that he has maximum priority and there's a strongman vig in play. So if we mislynch and Nero is scum that shoots Math, we lose the game.

So if Nero is scum, we must either lynch him today, or lynch another scum today or we lose.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You can't hold Nero against that because I also have maximum priority.

[Leonshade]

Yeah, but you're town.

[MathBlade]

CK's claim is trying to build Hanging Gardens D1, followed by trying to build nothing. Only other living players who claimed a failed D1 build attempt are Vecna (who has Hagia Sofia) and RC.

So if CK is scum, he probably went for the Encryptor. Though that doesn't mean he has it, actual Encryptor holder might simply be lying about not going for a build attempt.

The case for lynching Nero today (more accurately, RC's case) instead of later is that he has maximum priority and there's a strongman vig in play. So if we mislynch and Nero is scum that shoots Math, we lose the game.

So if Nero is scum, we must either lynch him today, or lynch another scum today or we lose.

The bottom sentence I agree with. However there's a mountain of evidence on nancy and only my gut and my small case on Nero.

My town reads are on Nero. The main problem is nancy being town or scum helps us a lot and if nancy is not scum then scum built the wonder which means scum don't have the first vig.

Lynching nancy is the one lynch that won't cost use the game if nancy is town as it reveals the status of the first vig.

[MathBlade]

If nancy is town then scum took the Great Zimbabwe which means they needed the protection which conf towns BaeReed which by process confTowns Alisae.

Like nancy lynch shows so much and proves whether scum have the first vig or not.

[Leonshade]

Ali
Leon
RC

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3 people who aren't willing to vote nancy. Can we get 8?

No one wanted to lynch spiffeh at the start of the game. That isn't how alignment is determined.

Again a reason why nancy is town. Otherwise vote her.

Why is nancy scum? I'm not convinced by the current case against her.

She's town because of the Spiffeh replace out.

[Nero Cain]

Ali
Leon
RC

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3 people who aren't willing to vote nancy. Can we get 8?

What do you think about the predominate case on me being that I'm getting bussed by scum?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali
Leon
RC

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3 people who aren't willing to vote nancy. Can we get 8?

What do you think about the predominate case on me being that I'm getting bussed by scum?

Sucks.

[MathBlade]

nancy is scum because
1) botched claim
2) replace out was NAI if anything scum aligned because he hated how he was scumread. Multiple scum have replaced out when I've pressured them.
3) VCA
4) Lack of consistency multiple times when discussing reads
5) Case on Yuri.
6) Vecna D1 wagon (only applies if Vecna scum)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon it is Day 5. We can't clear people because of replace outs.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Elbrin's replace out was pretty town yet Gork is being scum read.

[davesaz]

I visited Nancy, with the IF being a tracker visit, which cannot happen anymore.

I thought the whole point of you claiming to visit Nancy was to get a game breaking event of basically catching scum trying to shoot her so you targeted her and a dead tracker. You are going to have to explain this to me like I'm 2 or just requote your stuffs.

I got the impression that Vecna said he did what he did to get proof that Creature is town and RB'd him. None of it logically makes sense. It will be interesting reading the next 17 pages to see if this has been answered, and how. It's fun replying inline with catchups this way, I might change to doing it this way all the time.

[davesaz]

Scum gets punished by having someone's alignment revealed (which is always pro-town).

This is true, but only if town has the wonder and hasn't taken the anti-town stance of revealing it unnecessarily.

[MathBlade]

You can't hold Nero against that because I also have maximum priority.

LOL You and Nero are scum though.

Really it's just nancy is a systematically better lynch and until someone shows why nancy is town she's the lynch.

[Creature]

Ugh yeah, it was someone who scum would pretty much want dead supposed to get it.

[MathBlade]

Leon it is Day 5. We can't clear people because of replace outs.

Other than Drixx they were all pretty NAI or scum aligned.

[Creature]

lol you still reading all pages? I stopped since D5 started. Btw, did we choose Yae or Nay?

[MathBlade]

lol you still reading all pages? I stopped since D5 started. Btw, did we choose Yae or Nay?

If you're not reading all pages then you have no reason to not lynch nancy as you haven't read what she did.

It's pretty freakin' bad. Catch up or quit resisting.

[MathBlade]

I visited Nancy, with the IF being a tracker visit, which cannot happen anymore.

I thought the whole point of you claiming to visit Nancy was to get a game breaking event of basically catching scum trying to shoot her so you targeted her and a dead tracker. You are going to have to explain this to me like I'm 2 or just requote your stuffs.

I got the impression that Vecna said he did what he did to get proof that Creature is town and RB'd him. None of it logically makes sense. It will be interesting reading the next 17 pages to see if this has been answered, and how. It's fun replying inline with catchups this way, I might change to doing it this way all the time.

Vecna is just scum but if he'll bus nancy and fix his reads then I'm okay with him inventing bullshit. It's obviously bullshit. No townie goes I'm going to test Creature's roleblock when scum wouldn't claim the goddamn roleblock in the first place XD

Like Vecna's grasping for straws at this point when the simplest answer is

Alisae is town for D1 claim.
Senpai is obvious town doc.
Leonshade wagon had scum on it.
Davesaz is parity cop or scum meaning that Davesaz and Creature are same alignment. Further meaning why the hell would dave protect those two slots not under suspicion? Maxous yeah but Creature...cmon
RC is town because Drixx.

This entire day has been trying to get me to bend on obvTown so they have lynches later. C'mon. Both wagons are slow because they are scum.