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Post Post #16725 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:51 pm

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In post 16720, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16719, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16714, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16711, MathBlade wrote:You realize Hogwarts is what I am referring to LUV?

Do you honestly think Alisae would try the same failed approach on me after failing in Hogwarts?
Yes.
Okay that is it. I have tried every angle I can think of for rationally thinking Alisae would deceive me and it requires Alisae to do the literal definition of insanity which is to claim power, buddy me, and expect me not to catch on. I don't believe Alisae is performing the definition of insanity without talking to his teammates. That is insane.
I believe he is perfectly capable of doing this and even if I didn't, I would consider it on Day 5 without any flips.
That is like moon logic to the nth degree.

I am working simple here.

Simple answer is Alisae is Town.
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Post Post #16726 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:52 pm

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In post 16723, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16718, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not being a dick at all *
You're putting Ali down so yes you are.
He's feeling shit enough about this game as it is without you adding to it.
I'm not trying to put him down, please stop talking like you know me. I can be a real dick if I wanted to.

Me being a dick is what I was did to Yuri earlier. I am speaking solely on my experience with him and his personality. If you have games that support what you're saying, I will consider.
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Post Post #16727 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:52 pm

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In post 16478, nancy wrote:
In post 16340, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16334, nancy wrote:
In post 15819, RadiantCowbells wrote:me/luv taking vig, nancy/leon taking big ben, and caesar going for rolestopper, sure
This, except I go for priority. Keep in mind if there is more than 1 Town in the vig pool we basically autolose.
When we can prove scum took neighborizer there is a 0% chance of you not being lynched because then we know scum don't have the first vig as I know suspect they don't.

Stop being survivalistic.

Name the scum team.
I'm still catching up btw, not totally up to date on thread. If you want me to guess at the scumteam, I can.


{Aslan, Caesar, Cowbells, Leonshade, MathBlade, Notice, PV} - locktown
{Creature, Vecna}
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{} - null
{Gorkington}
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{CK, davesaz, LUV, Nero} - lockscum

One of my Towns might be scum. Creature would be the likeliest candidate, if I had to pick one.

My best guess at a team: {CK, davesaz, Gorkington, LUV, Nero}
Why is ceasar lock-town in this? And how can you be so certain about Davesaz?
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Post Post #16728 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:52 pm

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In post 16712, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The point I'm making to you Math is that you have to question everything and run through every scenario.

The point I'm making to nancy that is I'm literally not scum and that from her PoV it has to be PV.
Fixed. Doesn't make you Town.
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Post Post #16729 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:53 pm

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I'm one of the nicest people on this site and he knows that so it is insulting to call me a dick when I am literally not trying to be. I am very capable of being one but this isn't it.
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Post Post #16730 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:54 pm

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In post 16726, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16723, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16718, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not being a dick at all *
You're putting Ali down so yes you are.
He's feeling shit enough about this game as it is without you adding to it.
I'm not trying to put him down, please stop talking like you know me. I can be a real dick if I wanted to.

Me being a dick is what I did to Yuri earlier. I am speaking solely on my experience with him and his personality. If you have games that support what you're saying, I will consider.
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Post Post #16731 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:55 pm

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In post 16727, Vecna wrote:Why is ceasar lock-town in this? And how can you be so certain about Davesaz?
The simplest solution is often the best one. Aslan has seen Caesar sans flavorposting, and I trust Aslan with near complete confidence to read Pine correctly. The only thing that makes me hesitate there is that Aslan said Pine hadn't posted much and was talking about IRL stuff. davesaz is explained in future posts as you will no doubt find.
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Post Post #16732 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:56 pm

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In post 16727, Vecna wrote:
In post 16478, nancy wrote:
In post 16340, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16334, nancy wrote:
In post 15819, RadiantCowbells wrote:me/luv taking vig, nancy/leon taking big ben, and caesar going for rolestopper, sure
This, except I go for priority. Keep in mind if there is more than 1 Town in the vig pool we basically autolose.
When we can prove scum took neighborizer there is a 0% chance of you not being lynched because then we know scum don't have the first vig as I know suspect they don't.

Stop being survivalistic.

Name the scum team.
I'm still catching up btw, not totally up to date on thread. If you want me to guess at the scumteam, I can.


{Aslan, Caesar, Cowbells, Leonshade, MathBlade, Notice, PV} - locktown
{Creature, Vecna}
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{} - null
{Gorkington}
{}
{CK, davesaz, LUV, Nero} - lockscum

One of my Towns might be scum. Creature would be the likeliest candidate, if I had to pick one.

My best guess at a team: {CK, davesaz, Gorkington, LUV, Nero}
Why is ceasar lock-town in this? And how can you be so certain about Davesaz?
Those are old reads from nancy

I don't see why you and nancy are talking as if they are current ones?
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Post Post #16733 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:56 pm

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In post 16504, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Okay I'm back because this game sucks, no literally. Blowout game on TV right now.

I'm going to do my own thing now and I don't care. It is the only way for me to tune everyone out so consider me not here.

VOTE: Ceasar
LUV, voting block. Just ignore everyone.

We know whats up. We know who we can trust.

You and me. Just sign up to my cause.
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Post Post #16734 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:57 pm

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Math would you please mind not using words like "insane" or "crazy" in games with me? It's a little triggering for me, sorry. Thanks.
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Post Post #16735 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:58 pm

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The rest of your scum team you're proposing nancy does not kill their own. PV is town.
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Post Post #16736 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:58 pm

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In post 16734, nancy wrote:Math would you please mind not using words like "insane" or "crazy" in games with me? It's a little triggering for me, sorry. Thanks.
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Post Post #16737 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:59 pm

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69562 - replaced in and called the red team so he got nightkilled.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69310 - replaced in and got nightkilled after lynching scum.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69654 - nightkilled (as claimed vig tho so)

I could probably find more if I tried.
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Post Post #16738 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:59 pm

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In post 16506, nancy wrote:
In post 16440, Gorkington wrote:
@rc
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i looked over nancy's ISO in 1875 to get a general sense of her tone,
but im not really sure im gonna get much from it without comparing it to her play early on in the game and thats just not happening tonight.

i will say that i can buy that townNancy wifoms her reads based on you/her faking scumreads on each other, just
would she not be able to do those kinds of things as scum too?
i think i remember her saying that she has no scumgames onsite, so im just kind of weirded out that youre so absolutely confident this is her towngame when her scumgame could be just as good.
she really does strike me as the kind of player that would be able to dig down and fake things that normal scum cant, if that makes sense.

how can you be so confident that this isnt scumNancy without having played with scumNancy before?

i know youre just going to say tone to me
and it probably means i should sit down and read more
zzzzz
See posts like this make me want to sort you as Town. But you're literally fighting with hard TRs and locktowns here in my PoE, and I don't know what to do about that.
Nancy talk to me about the following; What happened to the great zimbabwe? Im only here scumreading you because of that inconsistency. Like, did scum just go all in just to frame you? It doesnt make sense.....I can totally see the great wall being on Nero. ugh.

I cannot see a scenario where they have a plausible way to get both vigs, and can dedicate everything to frame you for a mislynch today.
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Post Post #16739 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:00 pm

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In post 16737, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69562 - replaced in and called the red team so he got nightkilled.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69310 - replaced in and got nightkilled after lynching scum.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69654 - nightkilled (as claimed vig tho so)

I could probably find more if I tried.
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Post Post #16740 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:01 pm

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In post 16732, MathBlade wrote:I don't see why you and nancy are talking as if they are current ones?
I don't think he's read up.
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Post Post #16741 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:03 pm

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In post 16736, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16734, nancy wrote:Math would you please mind not using words like "insane" or "crazy" in games with me? It's a little triggering for me, sorry. Thanks.
Sure my apologies. Would ridiculous work?
Apology accepted, not a big deal. Anything not related to mental health works. Ridiculous, absurd, nonsense, whack, etc.
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Post Post #16742 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:04 pm

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In post 16729, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm one of the nicest people on this site and he knows that so it is insulting to call me a dick when I am literally not trying to be. I am very capable of being one but this isn't it.
Dude you have multiple times made me feel like shit. Whether you mean to or not is irrelevant. I care less when someone is riffing on me but you're literally trying to say Ali couldn't be useful here and that's plain false. I'm not going to stand by why my friends are insulted.
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Post Post #16743 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:06 pm

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In post 16522, nancy wrote:
In post 16486, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16482, nancy wrote:
In post 16479, MathBlade wrote:Why would that team give two conf towns in Creature and Maxous nancy?
I don't know, and that's why I had davesaz as locktown before. But Creature is so far from his scum meta here that I don't know who else to put in there. I'm working off my locktowns and I'm finding it really hard to see scum!Vecna.
If you are putting a logically Town read as scum then would you think you are wrong somewhere?

Ignore for a second interactions.

Write out your logically Town.

Put down who is left.
RC cannot be scum because scum!RC simply does not ever whiteknight me like this when lynching me very likely wins the game for scum. Scum!RC also doesn't replace in and tunnel one slot and only one slot. So RC is Town. Aslan is Town because I believe that I can read their game. Caesar is Town depending on whether LUV is Town because he has been pushing LUV and if LUV is scum then Caesar cannot be scum given Caesar's anti-bus stance. You are Town because of what happened with the hydra and Titus's replace out. PV is Town because it's the simplest answer in a game where scum haven't been bussing at all it doesn't make sense that they would kill one of their own, even though if PV hadn't been killed I would be SRing the slot by it's content.

Notice is Town because every single time I have tested them by scumreading them, they have OMGUS SRed me and I haven't felt that their emotion in that was faked. They pulled off a Leonshade lynch simply due to OMGUS. I don't believe that scum!Notice makes that play. Leonshade is Town because of the way that there has been no pressure on Leonshade at all today. Scum have been picking mislynches and they picked Leonshade yesterday. Same as they picked ABR/Vecna. Same as they've picked me today.

As far as Vecna goes, there's so much stuff he's done this game that is really really bizarre but there are just things about his play that I really struggle to reconcile coming from scum. The way he was pushing so hard for a Leonshade lynch near EoD yesterday, for instance. For Vecna to be scum he has to basically believe that he is completely invincible this game and has to be a complete show-off and braggart. He also just seems so confused a lot of the time, even if there are glimmers occasionally to the contrary.

I don't have a reason to TR Creature except the meta I've been given and the parity result. If davesaz is Town, then unless Vecna is scum then Creature is Town. But I'm not convinced that davesaz is Town. He hasn't been around. He hasn't done anything to help Town. I have no reason at all to TR him except just believing his claim.

Logically speaking if davesaz is scum then Creature would also be scum. If that were the case, I would pull Gorkington out of the scumteam and put Creature in there. CK I know wouldn't be voting me right now, he knows what my scumgame looks like better than nearly anyone here and he also knows my Town game pretty well. I have no way to reconcile that with town!CK. LUV, as I've stated, has behaved towards me as if he knows I'm Town despite claiming to scumread me. He's also voted yae to resolutions that would clearly favor scum.

Oh man, fuck you scum if you took the great zimbabwe just to be able to frame someone and got THIS lucky that it turned out to be nancy, in this scenario.

If thats the case, Davesaz is like 99% in on it for just happening to have investigated Nero + Nancy.

This post just screams town to me so incredibly hard. How the fuck do scum even start to make that much of a detailed read on my slot?

I mean I can see it, since if nancy is scum, RC is scum - and he definately has identified ill be the lynchpin today - but......ugh.
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Post Post #16744 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:07 pm

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In post 16738, Vecna wrote:Nancy talk to me about the following; What happened to the great zimbabwe? Im only here scumreading you because of that inconsistency. Like, did scum just go all in just to frame you? It doesnt make sense.....I can totally see the great wall being on Nero. ugh.

I cannot see a scenario where they have a plausible way to get both vigs, and can dedicate everything to frame you for a mislynch today.
What inconsistency? How is me not getting Zimbabwe a frame? I wouldn't be surprised if scum went for it, that wonder was fucking imbalanced as hell.
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Post Post #16745 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:07 pm

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In post 16524, MathBlade wrote:@nancy so Dave is logically Town? Along with Creature?
Nah if Nancy is town.....

Then people are majorly WRONG either about

Alisae + Notice town duo

OR

Davesaz (+ creature) town duo.

There is no other way.

And if you'd just let go of that silly scumread of mine, you'd see this.

There has to be an error somewhere math

THERE HAS TO BE AN ERROR SOMEWHERE IN YOUR ASSUMPTIONS

YOU NEED TO SEE IT.
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Post Post #16746 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:08 pm

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It's the davesaz one ftr
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Post Post #16747 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:08 pm

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In post 16742, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16729, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm one of the nicest people on this site and he knows that so it is insulting to call me a dick when I am literally not trying to be. I am very capable of being one but this isn't it.
Dude you have multiple times made me feel like shit. Whether you mean to or not is irrelevant. I care less when someone is riffing on me but you're literally trying to say Ali couldn't be useful here and that's plain false. I'm not going to stand by why my friends are insulted.
I apologize.

It is on me. I like to think people know when I'm joking or when I'm serious. I like to think people know that I'm not speaking without any malice. I've been told I speak so robotically online and I've been trying to work on that.
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Post Post #16748 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:09 pm

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In post 16529, nancy wrote:davesaz is logically the same alignment as Creature. I don't know which. I think the NK on Maxous makes sense from scum!davesaz. He's the only one except RC and Caesar who makes that NK imo.
Davesaz town-blocking both Creature + Maxous, and then killing one of them to wifom himself as a townclear is a thing.
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Post Post #16749 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:10 pm

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In post 16744, nancy wrote:
In post 16738, Vecna wrote:Nancy talk to me about the following; What happened to the great zimbabwe? Im only here scumreading you because of that inconsistency. Like, did scum just go all in just to frame you? It doesnt make sense.....I can totally see the great wall being on Nero. ugh.

I cannot see a scenario where they have a plausible way to get both vigs, and can dedicate everything to frame you for a mislynch today.
What inconsistency? How is me not getting Zimbabwe a frame? I wouldn't be surprised if scum went for it, that wonder was fucking imbalanced as hell.
Because we have given the entire game multiple chances for someone to claim Great Ximbabwe.

The only person possible is Cloudkicker ATM and no one is saying they have Great Zimbabwe talk with Cloudkicker.

So Great Zimbabwe doesn't exist or is built by scum. The first if you are scum the second if you are Town.
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