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Post Post #17150 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:07 am

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In post 17144, Nero Cain wrote:like any scumteam MUST start with Leon. He's been on every single mislynch.

I know Math is town reading him and I'm not sure if that's b/c they are scumbuddies or just bad...

I think Leon's "oh but Nero, you shouldn't think the folks that had been on multiple mislynches are scummy, town do that all the time" is so utterly manipulative.

Do I make any sense as scum with Leon? no
actually you make tons of sense with Leon lol. you refused to jump on his wagon until it was an inevitability and were one of the first ones off.
I make no comment. I just want to win this game. If scum forbidden palace me to leapfrog it to Leon!Scum we'll figure it out pretty quickly anyway
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Post Post #17151 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:07 am

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In post 17147, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It doesn't say anything. All it says is that I know what Vecna can do and have had success with him in the past.
I point out Vecna's plan has Gork w/ Big Ben.
You agree Gork Big Ben is ridiculous.

Again why did you not say so back there?
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Post Post #17152 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:08 am

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In post 17150, RadiantCowbells wrote:I just want to win this game
I know, you are scum so I don't hold it against you.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #17153 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:09 am

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Because I'm waiting for him to explain why he feels Gork should build Big Ben.
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Post Post #17154 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:09 am

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Math I'm down with your plan but I also want to hear Vecna explain his plan.
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Post Post #17155 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:09 am

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In post 17151, MathBlade wrote:
In post 17147, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It doesn't say anything. All it says is that I know what Vecna can do and have had success with him in the past.
I point out Vecna's plan has Gork w/ Big Ben.
You agree Gork Big Ben is ridiculous.

Again why did you not say so back there?
In post 17153, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Because I'm waiting for him to explain why he feels Gork should build Big Ben.
He already did.
His explanation was he townreads Gork.
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Post Post #17156 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:10 am

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Vecna, shoot me that spreadsheet again?
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Post Post #17157 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:10 am

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In post 16910, Vecna wrote:Some explenation with my plan;

The goal is to optimize information gain, and also force scum to make suboptimal choices for their next nighthkill.

Ceasar has been tunneling Leonshade all game. People say he doesnt bus - so I paired him with Leonshade for the new Doctor/roleblock'ish wonder. Ceasar is the low prio - so if scum did set him up and Leonshade already built something the wonder should go to him - unless they block him ofcourse. If leonshade is town in the two, he is higher in priority and I dont mind him getting the wonder since he'll make excellent use of it.

To make it harder for scum to circumvent this Leonshade vs Ceasar check, we also kindly ask Nancy to go for the forbidden palace. Either we learn scum indeed did pick it (which is big, knowing one of their 5 slots for certain) - or we get a scum-claim on Ceasar and a townclear on Nancy.

Ive added Gorkington for the Rolecop wonder. I strongly feel Gorkington is town now, so it would be in excellent hands here. The only downside of having only gorkington on it is they might simply use the forbidden palace on him - this would waste both Gorkington's and Nancy's build. Still looking for other suggestions if theres better ideas here.

As previously requested, LUV and RC are up for the new vig wonder. If theyre both town this means one of them will get it - unless there really is a scum that also hasnt built since day1 and they block LUV. This would still mean the other wonders go through though, which is still great for town (unless Nero cain flips town - which likely means its game over). But if this is the case, it likely will come down to our protective roles saving us regardless - And this way we force scum to use forbidden palace to get the vig guaranteed.

Cloudkicker is up to build the Redfort - and I feel this is an important part of the plan. We have a ton of ways of town-confirming him here this way, in the offchance he is town (or at least confirming he's the least usefull scum since redfort has 0 scum utility) - and also plenty of ways of making him fail the check, confirming him as scum. Open for discussion with Math if this is worth the investment.

I have also done some suggestions for targets for actions depending on Nero Cain's allignment. If he flips town we've been duped by RC, of that im certain. That means all protective roles need to be all hands aboard, since it likely means scum went all-in to end the game during the coming night. This does likely mean we have 2 doctors that can save us at random - so they should just try and out-wifom scum on whom the kill targets will be. I dont find it extremely likely anymore that nero flips town, so im not -too- worried about this - but its definately a possibility. If Nero does flip scum as expected, we should focus our targets on maximising the knowledge gain within the group without claimed wonders. Ive done some solid suggestions in the google doc, but im open to discussing them with math now.
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Post Post #17158 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:11 am

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Well that is not sufficient lol wtf
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Post Post #17159 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:11 am

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In post 16903, Vecna wrote:Well thats in my plan at least for now. Still open for discussion - lets see what comments people have about the current version:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Post Post #17160 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:12 am

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In post 17149, MathBlade wrote:How many mislynches one is on isn't alignment indicative.
As much as I ride your sister, VCA has its place and time. She might think she's the VCA queen but I was doing it before she even joined the site.
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Post Post #17161 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:12 am

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In post 17158, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Well that is not sufficient lol wtf
Agreed.

Now my question about why the fuck you didn't say something back then stands. Why?
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Post Post #17162 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:13 am

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I don't know Math I blank out a lot.

The rest though I feel if he explains more is okay theory wise.
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Post Post #17163 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:13 am

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In post 17160, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 17149, MathBlade wrote:How many mislynches one is on isn't alignment indicative.
As much as I ride your sister, VCA has its place and time. She might think she's the VCA queen but I was doing it before she even joined the site.
And the way VCA is done on MS is so easily manipulated. Hence why I do it differently.

I got Titus to name my entire scum team Town.
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Post Post #17164 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:14 am

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In post 17162, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't know Math I blank out a lot.

The rest though I feel if he explains more is okay theory wise.
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Post Post #17165 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:15 am

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In post 17164, MathBlade wrote:
In post 17162, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't know Math I blank out a lot.

The rest though I feel if he explains more is okay theory wise.
Do you blame me when I say I think you are trying to sell me manure and call it gold?
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Post Post #17166 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:17 am

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@RC what do you make of this here?

LUV being extremely resistant to copping Gork but willing to cop Caesar?
LUV ignoring the Vecna plan and letting Gork get Big Ben at best and at worst being complicit?
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Post Post #17167 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:19 am

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This makes LUV Vecna Gork extremely likely to me.
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Post Post #17168 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:19 am

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LUV Vecna Gork Nero likely all scum.
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Post Post #17169 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:20 am

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Lol Math it means nothing youare making noise.
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Post Post #17170 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:21 am

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What part of I want to be sure on Ceasar do you not understand???
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Post Post #17171 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:21 am

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I am asking RC's opinion
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Post Post #17172 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:23 am

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In post 17170, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What part of I want to be sure on Ceasar do you not understand???
You said you might cop Gork.
The instant I suggest it though you got squirmy.

Not a fan. Let's hear what RC has to say.
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Post Post #17173 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:25 am

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Because you were acting like I have to because I town read Vecna.
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Post Post #17174 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:27 am

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Meh I can go for big ben with Gorkington as backup if people promise that there'll be a doc on me
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