Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like Math I'll come clean. I really want you to stop scum reading me because it is insulting. I would not play this bad as scum because I actually care about playing as that alignment.

If you know you are playing badly why not just sheep good town? Like you are claiming RC is town, a guy who has had the same "scum" list since he started the game and 1 of those are confirmed town (kid), the other is very likely to be town (Dave) and I'm confirmed town to myself. We need to be lynching Nancy.

Because reputation.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've read and seen RC wreck scum teams even after dragging a town into chaos for the first couple of days.

[PeregrineV]

I will not vote nancy today.

Why not?

I townread her.

Why?

[MathBlade]

You have pushed me for god's sakes.

your play was shitty Math. You used the fact that you had knowledge of the priority list, when you didn't as a means to mislynch ABR and you didn't want to be vigged on n2. It wasn't pro-town, get over yourself. Maybe you are scum and not just really bad town, we'll find out later.

I knew A&N was town because Halicarnassus. They were the top of the player list. They had a wonder. It isn't like it came from no where.

@PV Quoting it for you now give me a sec.

[PeregrineV]

I'm telling you guys its a Nancy/Leon/RC/Vecna team. I still think Ali is the 5th but I'm slightly willing to think about the doc thing but Ali being nigtkilled doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Ali could easily fake meta.

Ali is not scum.
Leon is not scum else BaeReed would be dead. Not Maxous who I didn't see any crumbs from.

Except Leon pointed out crumbs from today. So........

[Nero Cain]

meanwhile, I wasn't scum reading the mislynch trio of Yuri/Kid, ABR and Bee. I've had better reads then half you fucks. Senpai, if town, has had good reads b/c they were tunneling 2/5 scum and thier only serious misread as been Max (and me?)

[Nero Cain]

Because reputation.

that's a shit reason. I've wrecked scum. There's a reason mastina things I'm a pretty good scum hunter.

[PeregrineV]

Alisae to be scum would have to hamper scum.
Have to pick me WITHOUT talking with scum.

Have to do it with the only wonder.
Have to replicate their town meta perfectly.
Have to fool BaeReed the doctor.
Not kill BaeReed the doctor who after the crumb was claimed to Alisae so likely claimed to Alisae before.

In order to

get Mathblade to

scumread Ali you have to get me to accept all of this.

In other words not a snowball's chance in hell. Alisae is town.

So, it's ok if you don't accept it.

[Creature]

Volare, oh oh
Cantare, oh oh oh oh

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero I've pushed Ali, Brain, Leon, Notice, etc all of your scum reads already

I'm drained. And I'm not saying you aren't good. I've just read more RC games.

[PeregrineV]

Someone making a choice you wouldn't, or most people wouldn't, doesn't make them scum. I buy both Ali and Senpai's choices coming from those players.

Doc does not protect who they think it town, doc protects player most likely to be NKed in their opinion.

If not, don't take doc, it's not for you.

On the basis JaeReed took doc because it "was for him", he would do the doc best (as town), not as how he

thinks

it's played.

[MathBlade]

Well thats in my plan at least for now. Still open for discussion - lets see what comments people have about the current version:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Some explenation with my plan;

The goal is to optimize information gain, and also force scum to make suboptimal choices for their next nighthkill.

Ceasar has been tunneling Leonshade all game. People say he doesnt bus - so I paired him with Leonshade for the new Doctor/roleblock'ish wonder. Ceasar is the low prio - so if scum did set him up and Leonshade already built something the wonder should go to him - unless they block him ofcourse. If leonshade is town in the two, he is higher in priority and I dont mind him getting the wonder since he'll make excellent use of it.

To make it harder for scum to circumvent this Leonshade vs Ceasar check, we also kindly ask Nancy to go for the forbidden palace. Either we learn scum indeed did pick it (which is big, knowing one of their 5 slots for certain) - or we get a scum-claim on Ceasar and a townclear on Nancy.

Ive added Gorkington for the Rolecop wonder. I strongly feel Gorkington is town now, so it would be in excellent hands here. The only downside of having only gorkington on it is they might simply use the forbidden palace on him - this would waste both Gorkington's and Nancy's build. Still looking for other suggestions if theres better ideas here.

As previously requested, LUV and RC are up for the new vig wonder. If theyre both town this means one of them will get it - unless there really is a scum that also hasnt built since day1 and they block LUV. This would still mean the other wonders go through though, which is still great for town (unless Nero cain flips town - which likely means its game over). But if this is the case, it likely will come down to our protective roles saving us regardless - And this way we force scum to use forbidden palace to get the vig guaranteed.

Cloudkicker is up to build the Redfort - and I feel this is an important part of the plan. We have a ton of ways of town-confirming him here this way, in the offchance he is town (or at least confirming he's the least usefull scum since redfort has 0 scum utility) - and also plenty of ways of making him fail the check, confirming him as scum. Open for discussion with Math if this is worth the investment.

I have also done some suggestions for targets for actions depending on Nero Cain's allignment. If he flips town we've been duped by RC, of that im certain. That means all protective roles need to be all hands aboard, since it likely means scum went all-in to end the game during the coming night. This does likely mean we have 2 doctors that can save us at random - so they should just try and out-wifom scum on whom the kill targets will be. I dont find it extremely likely anymore that nero flips town, so im not -too- worried about this - but its definately a possibility. If Nero does flip scum as expected, we should focus our targets on maximising the knowledge gain within the group without claimed wonders. Ive done some solid suggestions in the google doc, but im open to discussing them with math now.

@PV what are your thoughts?

[MathBlade]

Someone making a choice you wouldn't, or most people wouldn't, doesn't make them scum. I buy both Ali and Senpai's choices coming from those players.

Doc does not protect who they think it town, doc protects player most likely to be NKed in their opinion.

If not, don't take doc, it's not for you.

On the basis JaeReed took doc because it "was for him", he would do the doc best (as town), not as how he

thinks

it's played.

A requirement of thinking someone likely to be NK'd is someone being town.

If not, don't make ridiculous analogies. It's not for you.

[Nero Cain]

like https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67071

and

a50 and I solved this

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67413

and

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=60340

and

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=41158

I ain't no slouch as town bro.

[PeregrineV]

This is Jae typing up a PM to Nahdia

I will protect Ali because I hard-TR him and he has the neighbor wonder

Oh shit there was no NK did scum try to kill Ali?

At any point does JaeReed/Notice float this theory, esp. after Max died and we're all like "He protected Pine! Pine is town!"?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero don't do this all you're going to do is provoke RC lol

[MathBlade]

This is Jae typing up a PM to Nahdia

I will protect Ali because I hard-TR him and he has the neighbor wonder

Oh shit there was no NK did scum try to kill Ali?

At any point does JaeReed/Notice float this theory, esp. after Max died and we're all like "He protected Pine! Pine is town!"?

He crumbed the protect already PV. Just stawp. JaeReed is crumbed doc with a crumbed Alisae protection.

[MathBlade]

They crumbed* sorry!

[Nero Cain]

I ain't scared of him. There's a reason he came in gunz blazing with zilch reasoning. If he had any fake reasoning I'll rip him to shreds.

[RadiantCowbells]

we're not arguing on a 'hey nero is town i'm town whose reads should we take into account' basis

I don't think nero is a bad town player. I just don't think he's town here. he can link all his town games but that doesn't change the fact that he gets lynched here because he's not town

[MathBlade]

Nero Christmas ended a quarter of a year ago.

@RC thoughts on the plan proposed by Vecna?

[PeregrineV]

Someone making a choice you wouldn't, or most people wouldn't, doesn't make them scum. I buy both Ali and Senpai's choices coming from those players.

Doc does not protect who they think it town, doc protects player most likely to be NKed in their opinion.

If not, don't take doc, it's not for you.

On the basis JaeReed took doc because it "was for him", he would do the doc best (as town), not as how he

thinks

it's played.

A requirement of thinking someone likely to be NK'd is someone being town.

If not, don't make ridiculous analogies. It's not for you.

Wow, do you not see the difference?

[Nero Cain]

I just don't think he's town here.

Why?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think nancy should backup Gorkington for big ben but I'm fine with the rest of it

[Nero Cain]

Nero Christmas ended a quarter of a year ago.

lies