Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: RC

good vote but me and you are like the only ones scum reading him. You should join me on Nancy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah gonna be hard to lynch me when Cloud's an absent slot huh

[nancy]

Hi davesaz. I know RC's meta better than nearly anyone except Postie. He's not scum. Bye.

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 5.19

Nero Cain (4):

RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Leonshade, nancy

nancy (2):

Nero Cain, CloudKicker

Caesar Wills It (2):

Lil Uzi Vert, Creature

RadiantCowbells (1):

davesaz

Not Voting (5):

MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai, Vecna, Gorkington

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-10 14:55:00), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Industrial Era Wonders & Resolution

Seeking replacement for CloudKicker.

@MOD, so a player with Hagia Sophia could target a player and Chichen Itza, and cause the result to be "No Result"? !!!

No. Hagia Sophia must specify a possible result, not a lack of a result.

[MathBlade]

If Nero flips town, I'll go for Ruhr.
If Nero flips scum, I'll go for Big Ben.

Thank you. Now who will you investigate as Big Ben and who will you shoot as Ruhr?

[Leonshade]

Build orders are sent during the Day, by the time we know Nero's flip, it will be too late to change your build request.

[Nero Cain]

I know RC's meta better than nearly anyone except Postie. He's not scum.

See earlier you were calling this his scum meta. Kinda giving off conflicting stories there.

[RadiantCowbells]

LUV pick one because I want to pick around that

[davesaz]

Hi davesaz. I know RC's meta better than nearly anyone except Postie. He's not scum. Bye.

Why would I care about what a scumread thinks about RC's alignment?

RC scumreading me is even more absurd.

[Leonshade]

Why is everyone making their own plans? Three competing plans means zero plans, the point of authorizing one plan was so that scum can't influence the plan by picking whichever one is best for them, competing plans makes it so that the less engaged townies don't know which plan to follow (and scum can pretend to do so as well).

Especially if the plan includes impossible things, like picking Wonders based on a flip.

If we're not going with Vecna's plan, I'll just pick the wonder RC wants me on.

[MathBlade]

Build orders are sent during the Day, by the time we know Nero's flip, it will be too late to change your build request.

I agree with this but I was trying to get him to commit to concrete stances Leon



LUV can say he'd do one thing then do another. That can't be allowed or if people are just doing what we want we go in with no plan but then know that those who didn't want a plan at all are likely scum without a really good reason. Or we just plan around them.

[MathBlade]

Why is everyone making their own plans? Three competing plans means zero plans, the point of authorizing one plan was so that scum can't influence the plan by picking whichever one is best for them, competing plans makes it so that the less engaged townies don't know which plan to follow (and scum can pretend to do so as well).

Especially if the plan includes impossible things, like picking Wonders based on a flip.

If we're not going with Vecna's plan, I'll just pick the wonder RC wants me on.

Vecna's plan had so many flaws I spent a few hours trying to figure out ways to keep its core idea and save it but then realized I had to make my own.

[MathBlade]

LUV objected to my plan and me saying what to do and not Vecna...GEE THEY ARE SCUM TOGETHER...and so is trying to create discord so we don't have a plan. Literally I took from LUV's suggestions and he's all "NOPE"

[MathBlade]

VOTE: RC

Do you townread Nero?

[davesaz]

The most accurate answer is, I don't see a case on Nero. RC could be right, or scum trying to strongarm. Nero could be scum, or he's town asking the exact same question I am. Vecna and you are both creating plans which could be the straw that breaks either scum or town's back.

1 or 2 scum in Nero, Math, Vecna, RC. I've said it before and I'm saying it again for posterity.

[davesaz]

^ is me being obvtown yet again.

[davesaz]

If you're all town, you all need to take a breath and let a guy think for a change.

[Vecna]

I mean Vecna continuing to call the scum team barbarians was a slip and not continuing to push him was my only mistake this game.

That was Ceasar.....more lies from your slot

Like this is one of the bigest reason im ok with wagoning you pretty much Nero.

You show time and time again, you _DO_ _NOT_ read at all.

you push people for ludicrous reasons.

You misrep everything they say.

You ignore any arguments/reasoning/statements and later claim they do things for totally different reasons.

Ive stated before im not certain at all youre scum, but this type of shit just makes me go "fuck this dude, let him die"

[nancy]

If we're not going with Vecna's plan, I'll just pick the wonder RC wants me on.

Vig leashed to Math.

-RC

[Vecna]

I think ive done enough contributing recently Notice, im gonna take a break. Its all detailed in my iso and its been asked and answered a great number of times.

I have some problems with the plan.

At least one of the following must be true:
1) Gorkington is scum.
2) Maxous protected the kill on Caesar.
3) JaeReed protected the kill on Alisae.

I do not care how big your "gut" feels Gorkington is Town but scumread Caesar and Senpai (that is what seems to be the case in how I have read your posts.)

Ceasar - yes, Senpay only a very small chance TOGETHER with Alisae. Theyre not scum without alisae.

[Vecna]

@Vecna -- You left nancy with a critical path wonder of Forbidden Palace when either Caesar failed it or is scum.

If nancy is scum all she has to do is lie. Your entire plan is broken by Gork or nancy lying. Cloud/CK could do whatever the fuck they want.

There is no buy in anyone will actually do that.

And even if that happens, the rest still pulls through and we have more PoE to deduce that.

OBVIOUSLY there is going to be lying - were dealing with the scum pool

But were going to be getting the WONDERCOP out of this, and we'll likely deduce which in Leon/Ceasar is scum.

Thatll give us a path for tomorrow, a shitton more information.

Like I said, feel free to come up with suggestions (myself I was fine with RC's suggestion of Nancy + gork both being on Big Ben) - BUT, stop complaining just because people can lie - it is intended.

[Vecna]

Now instead I ask this:

LUV what will you build tonight if anything?

I think it will be Big Ben or Ruhr. Maybe Forbidden.

Why not the vig? Why not simply the vig to shoot someone.

[Nero Cain]

Are scum like Dinossaurs or Aliens?

Barbarians most likely.

Traitor Vecna, seek not to tarnish Our name with your lies and falsehoods! We find your dishonesty most treacherous and vile.

As the Senate record will show, We did in fact condemn then-Senator Rampage in the Senate's first session. Further, the records provided by the Exchequer will demonstrate that not once have We expressed a surety of the criminal Rampage's loyalty. Rather, We have found him suspicious from Our first mention of him.

We challenge the heathen Vecna to demonstrate evidence to the contrary, and to produce the scrolls upon which We allegedly vouched for Senator Rampage's good intents.

I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake, it appears the length and quantity of conversation within the senate has started impeding my memory. At least I can continue to be pleased with your observations on most other people. However I still fail to see how you think it reasonable to assume that I am allied to the barbarian named as rampage.

Time will show the truth, lets just hope that the actual barbarians havent already managed to pillage rome when this comes to pass.

so yes you were doing it. I just REMEMBERED you and not Ceasar.

[Nero Cain]

Multiple scum factions might indeed be a thing here though. Barbarian camps never spawn alone, and barbarians do seem like the logical enemy of civilization.

[Leonshade]

Cloud's been scummy though. Too scummy to ignore.

What has he been scummy for besides lurk and be useless?

Push on Leon, discredit of me, the self meta whines.

Leon is scum though. Do you really think he's bussing Leon?

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I was at L-1 yesterday, if I was scum, why would one of my buddies bussing be so unlikely? You think there was suddenly an all-town wagon on me after three mislynches? "He voted Leon" is not a reason to TR someone.

I was scum with CK in Spyro before he replaced out, the very first thing he suggested was us distancing from each other. I'm pretty sure CK would be willing to bus me if we were buddies. You had meta with Cloud, right? Any scum meta?

like any scumteam MUST start with Leon. He's been on every single mislynch.

I know Math is town reading him and I'm not sure if that's b/c they are scumbuddies or just bad...

I think Leon's "oh but Nero, you shouldn't think the folks that had been on multiple mislynches are scummy, town do that all the time" is so utterly manipulative.

Do I make any sense as scum with Leon? no

I believe someone mentioned "scum staying off mislynches and shading the townies on it", looks like that's what you're doing. I "must" be scum because of my votes? Either you believe that scum can't be self-aware, or you're spouting BS.