Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Leonshade]

Big Ben should only be targeted at people who claim to not have Wonders. Scum are much more likely to lie about not having a Wonder, than lie about having a Wonder. The players who would've had the chance to fakeclaim something late into the massclaim claimed VT.

[Nero Cain]

but real talk Vecna, if your claim is that I'm lying about you calling the scum Barbarians, even if you are just piggybacking off of Ceasar calling them scum...you are still doing it. Maybe you could argue that I'm not remembering things wich ok but that's not a lie.

You are also saying things that feel alot like posturing. Hence why I keep accusing you of it.

[Leonshade]

I mean Vecna continuing to call the scum team barbarians was a slip and not continuing to push him was my only mistake this game.

Wait, what? JFC.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who says that the scum team is barbarians though?

[Nero Cain]

Too bad thats now over.

that this as a recent example.

Could you remind me of who you think the scum team is.

[Leonshade]

I see townies call dumb things out as slips all the time so this doesn't affect my read, but naming the scumteam based on flavor is not a slip.

Who says that the scum team is barbarians though?

^

Slip from Nero that scum is indeed Barbarian? I don't believe it, but it's funny.

[Nero Cain]

Who says that the scum team is barbarians though?

apparently it was something Ceasar is saying and Vecna agreeing with him and me remembering him say that thing is apparently me lying?

[RadiantCowbells]

I would actually believe that honestly

[Vecna]

@nancy yep. I think announcing intent is always important.
@Nero Cain the Yuri wagon not going through is odd.

Nero Cain -- gets lynched

If Nero is scum

Leonshade << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV OR Red Fort investigate Vecna.
Gorkington << dies via vig shot. Confirms Alisae or Creature as town if town. Means neither should be voted tomorrow. Anyone healing Gorkington is scumclaiming. Don't submit for anything.
RadiantCowbells << Builds vig, shoot Gork

at night

if you get it OR Big Ben investigate Gork.
Caesar Wills It << builds vig, shoot Gork

at night

if you get it.
Lil Uzi Vert << Build Forbidden Palace.
CloudKicker << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV.
nancy << builds vig, shoot Gork

at night

if you get it.

Creature >> Roleblock Vecna.
Vecna >> Do nothing.
Dave >> Parity cop Vecna and LUV.
Alisae >> Neighborize someone you trust.

Order of reveals
All claim what wonders they got

but not results

LUV builds Forbidden Palace and if LUV has it uses it to townfirm himself. Caesar is scumfirm at that point. We keep going.
Big Ben outs investigation on LUV if LUV is not immediately confirmed as Forbidden Palace. If LUV has it then LUV is scumfirm. If LUV does not have it then Caesar is not getting lynched tomorrow.
Dave outs results on LUV and Vecna.
Vig builder if Gork is not dead pokes Senpai hard.

Best case scenario: We get Alisae/Creature at least one town, scumfirm Caesar or LUV, determine Vecna's alignment in relation to LUV. Narrows scum teams down tremendously.

Worst case scenario: Scum fuck with the submission of one player and the wonder goes to scum. Based on the priority list we can determine who did not get the said wonder and then poke them. It would confirm forbidden palace in play which would confirm Caesar is telling the truth but at least some of this gets through.

If Nero is town

Leonshade << Builds Red Fort investigates Vecna.
Gorkington << Builds Big Ben investigates LUV
RadiantCowbells << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV OR Neighborizing wonder with me and Alisae OR Builds Vig and doesn't shoot
Caesar Wills It << builds vig, shoot no one if you get it.
Lil Uzi Vert << Build Forbidden Palace.
CloudKicker << Builds Big Ben, investigates LUV.
nancy << builds vig, shoot no one if you get it.

Creature >> Roleblock Vecna.
Vecna >> Do nothing.
Dave >> Parity cop LUV and myself.
Alisae >> Neighborize someone you trust.

Order of reveals
All claim what wonders they got

but not results

EXCEPT THE VIG.
LUV builds Forbidden Palace immediately if town and LUV has it and becomes townfirmed. Caesar is scumfirm at that point. We keep going.
Big Ben outs investigation on LUV if LUV is not Forbidden Palace.
Dave outs results on Gork and myself.

So all this shading of my plan, and you come up with a plan where you expect people can suddenly change their build submissions after they see a flip? You make a plan where you dont even build the doctor wonder? You build a plan that if we lynch town today its INSTANTLY game over?

Yeah, good going

[Nero Cain]

you'd believe anything to get a mislynch.

[nancy]

So Vecna how am I confscum if Nero is Town?

[Leonshade]

Is there 1 case on Nero, or 4 cases? I would like to read and evaluate them.

Well, after the Kid mislynch yesterday Nancy claimed that RC was scum and was bussing me. Today both Leon and Ali are sheeping that theory. Then when I said I wanted the vig to shoot RC Nancy was like "oh we can't let Nero get the vig" And I think Vecna wants me dead to buddy Math. I mean his words are that he wants to get town to gel again but he's just really buddying Math. And LUV wants to sheep RC b/c "reputation"

To be clear, I'm townreading RC. I just agreed to the bussing idea as an "even if RC is scum" hypothetical alternative.

At this point I believe RC that he was reading the game prior and already had the read on you anyway. I also believe that he replaced in to this game in an attempt to get the bragging rights of saving town from a losing game. There's nothing to brag about in replacing to a game scum is winning anyway and... continuing to win.

Of course RC couldn't choose his alignment, but I believe those were his motivations coming in.

[Vecna]

If Nero flips town:
Big Ben: Vecna
Ruhr Valley: Leon
Great Zimbabwe: Dave & Notice

If Nero flips scum
Big Ben: Ceasar
Ruhr Valley: Cloud
Great Zimbabwe: Dave & RC

Now to determine which one is worth it...

You cannot change wonders after flips. this puzzle wouldve been EASY if you could. Its not that easy.

[Leonshade]

I would actually believe that honestly

It's possible, I'm just not putting much stock in it, myself. But then I'm already voting Nero anyway.

[Vecna]

There's no world in which scum block you over davesaz tonight. Blocking you would out davesaz and Creature as scum.

That's a big hole as someone widely townread but scum could take vig, claim to shoot math, which implies creature blocked me or I lied, and town loses.

Talking about holes, why are you voting RC while you pretty much know that theres likely a great wall in Nero/Nancy? Or do you expect there to be a leaning tower somewhere?

[Vecna]

The most accurate answer is, I don't see a case on Nero. RC could be right, or scum trying to strongarm. Nero could be scum, or he's town asking the exact same question I am. Vecna and you are both creating plans which could be the straw that breaks either scum or town's back.

1 or 2 scum in Nero, Math, Vecna, RC. I've said it before and I'm saying it again for posterity.

Its either Nero scum or RC + Nancy scum.

No other world exists.

[nancy]

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Nero Cain]

At this point I believe RC that he was reading the game prior and already had the read on you anyway. I also believe that he replaced in to this game in an attempt to get the bragging rights of saving town from a losing game. There's nothing to brag about in replacing to a game scum is winning anyway and... continuing to win.

Of course RC couldn't choose his alignment, but I believe those were his motivations coming in.

What is RC's case on me Leon?

[Leonshade]

My build request is still currently on Brandenburg Gate. I'll go for the vig if need be, but it would be much easier if LUV just agreed to play ball.

My posting time for today will be ending soon-ish, no idea if I'll have time to post tomorrow. A flashwagon doesn't look likely, so we should be safe at the moment.

[nancy]

Can we just fucking lynch Nero already

[Vecna]

Are scum like Dinossaurs or Aliens?

Barbarians most likely.

Traitor Vecna, seek not to tarnish Our name with your lies and falsehoods! We find your dishonesty most treacherous and vile.

As the Senate record will show, We did in fact condemn then-Senator Rampage in the Senate's first session. Further, the records provided by the Exchequer will demonstrate that not once have We expressed a surety of the criminal Rampage's loyalty. Rather, We have found him suspicious from Our first mention of him.

We challenge the heathen Vecna to demonstrate evidence to the contrary, and to produce the scrolls upon which We allegedly vouched for Senator Rampage's good intents.

I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake, it appears the length and quantity of conversation within the senate has started impeding my memory. At least I can continue to be pleased with your observations on most other people. However I still fail to see how you think it reasonable to assume that I am allied to the barbarian named as rampage.

Time will show the truth, lets just hope that the actual barbarians havent already managed to pillage rome when this comes to pass.

so yes you were doing it. I just REMEMBERED you and not Ceasar.

Ok so I said it once......10.000 posts ago. How is your memory this selective that you remember that little detail, but ignore pretty much every other thing I say?

Was my guess correct Nero? Is that why you remembered that? As a way to later throw it in my face when a scum flip occured? Because everyone ever playing civilization knows what the enemies of civilization are going to be.

[Leonshade]

At this point I believe RC that he was reading the game prior and already had the read on you anyway. I also believe that he replaced in to this game in an attempt to get the bragging rights of saving town from a losing game. There's nothing to brag about in replacing to a game scum is winning anyway and... continuing to win.

Of course RC couldn't choose his alignment, but I believe those were his motivations coming in.

What is RC's case on me Leon?

Ask him, not me.

[nancy]

it would be much easier if LUV just agreed to play ball.

LUV doesn't give a damn.

[Vecna]

Are scum like Dinossaurs or Aliens?

Barbarians most likely.

Traitor Vecna, seek not to tarnish Our name with your lies and falsehoods! We find your dishonesty most treacherous and vile.

As the Senate record will show, We did in fact condemn then-Senator Rampage in the Senate's first session. Further, the records provided by the Exchequer will demonstrate that not once have We expressed a surety of the criminal Rampage's loyalty. Rather, We have found him suspicious from Our first mention of him.

We challenge the heathen Vecna to demonstrate evidence to the contrary, and to produce the scrolls upon which We allegedly vouched for Senator Rampage's good intents.

I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake, it appears the length and quantity of conversation within the senate has started impeding my memory. At least I can continue to be pleased with your observations on most other people. However I still fail to see how you think it reasonable to assume that I am allied to the barbarian named as rampage.

Time will show the truth, lets just hope that the actual barbarians havent already managed to pillage rome when this comes to pass.

so yes you were doing it. I just REMEMBERED you and not Ceasar.

Oh you even called it a slip in that post. See I didnt even realize you were talking about a flavour slip untill now.

Seems like a rather obvious case of Nero remembering stuff that scum would need later on, while not reading anything else that requires attention (for example my hagia sofia claim/s - anything related to why im voting him untill I slap it in his face 5 times that he's misrepping it).

And yes Nero, I speculated about the scumteam being 5 persons as well. -MUST- be because im scum right? Not at all because both the barbarian thing, AND the number thing are by far the most obvious contenders.

[Vecna]

I assume your argument here will be "but he said it and I was just piggybacking." but its NOT a lie that you've been saying it.

Youre right, apparently its not. I had already forgotten about that stuff. The fact you remembered or made a note about it to use against me later is rather telling though.