In post 17, Fro99er wrote:Town Backup Innocent Child
Town Backup Innocent Child (yes, two of them)
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town Even-Night Role Cop
Town Encryptor Enabler
5 VTs
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Backup Encryptor
Mafia Goon
smidge scumsided. balanced enough.
Was a perfect scum win...was just curious. We got lucky to lynch the odd-night rolecop D1 on a last minute flashlynch.
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In post 17, Fro99er wrote:Town Backup Innocent Child
Town Backup Innocent Child (yes, two of them)
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town Even-Night Role Cop
Town Encryptor Enabler
5 VTs
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Backup Encryptor
Mafia Goon
smidge scumsided. balanced enough.
Was a perfect scum win...was just curious. We got lucky to lynch the odd-night rolecop D1 on a last minute flashlynch.
Unless I'm missing something this setup is super scum sided, not a smidge.
like, unless I'm missing something the rolecops are basically strictly worse cops. So, imagine the setup was instead 8 vts 1 odd-night cop, 1 even night cop, 3 goons. Does that look remotely balanced to you? It shouldn't.
In post 31, chamber wrote:like, unless I'm missing something the rolecops are basically strictly worse cops. So, imagine the setup was instead 8 vts 1 odd-night cop, 1 even night cop, 3 goons. Does that look remotely balanced to you? It shouldn't.
relax...wasn't my setup. One I played in.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 31, chamber wrote:like, unless I'm missing something the rolecops are basically strictly worse cops. So, imagine the setup was instead 8 vts 1 odd-night cop, 1 even night cop, 3 goons. Does that look remotely balanced to you? It shouldn't.
relax...wasn't my setup. One I played in.
And it was approved by the NRG for normalcy and balance back in 2015 when I played it.
Guess site meta for balance has changed
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
so i'm guessing u fell into the trap of "town won so it must've been townsided"
It's even more so given that the hoods are night only. Even without the strongman it's scumsided by MS standards. Ninja can crush the follower, jailkeeper can mess w town power, etc. towns power is limited, gated, and in many cases directly countered by extra scum power.
Odd jk
Even rb
Follower
Vs three goons
Would be a bit scumsided, and the net effect of the various extras probably just makes it more so. The strongman throws it well out of balance, potentially giving MULTIPLE late game fake innocent scenarios (ninja vs follower, strongman vs jk or rb).
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
In post 31, chamber wrote:like, unless I'm missing something the rolecops are basically strictly worse cops. So, imagine the setup was instead 8 vts 1 odd-night cop, 1 even night cop, 3 goons. Does that look remotely balanced to you? It shouldn't.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
Not sure if this is the right place for this but how does one go about deducing or figuring out a setup? Say town mislynches and the flip is revealed to be a jailkeeper, how would you go about knowing what roles are than most likely?
You basically don't. Honestly scum flips (pr vs goon) are more helpful than town flips for setup spec, but the big thing is looking at overall power level and thinking
1) does it all make sense vs goons
2) does it make sense if scum has some extra amount of power
There's some sense in looking at whether roles fit together typically, but mods like to play w roles sometimes so setup spec tends to be mediocre generally.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?
I know nothing about setup balance. How do I learn how to be a good setup designer? What heuristics are used when balancing setups?
There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.
In post 31, chamber wrote:like, unless I'm missing something the rolecops are basically strictly worse cops. So, imagine the setup was instead 8 vts 1 odd-night cop, 1 even night cop, 3 goons. Does that look remotely balanced to you? It shouldn't.
site meta has clearly changed, because now Anti says it's clearly scumsided after saying that two years ago.
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
good one
