Real Folk Blues Rematch [GAME OVER]

[Gorkington]

let me know when you guys feel like actually playing mafia.
:')

[Tywin Lannister]

i changed my mind.
did a lazySkim of tywin's meta.
he isnt a robo-"BEEP BOOP PERSON IS SCUM 100% CONFIRMED" as town and is a lot more genial sounding/actually converses with people in dbza.
the whole "I AM VERY GOOD AT SCUMHUNTING 100% THIS PERSON IS MAFIA KILL THEM WTF IDIOTS" looks more like his ISO in timeshift.
VOTE: tywin

This is bullshit gork. Even if you truly believed I was scum, claiming my reads are fake is a crap and lazy lie here. In multiball, everyone has legit SRs.

I actually conversed in dbz only after my initial SR on majiffy was proven correct. After that, I was a universal TR so I was actually listened to. This happens in every damn game it feels like. People ignore me and say im bad until I'm proven right, then they actually listen to what I say. When I know I'm being listened to, I actually try to keep things in perspective. When I know I'm being discredited by garbage statements, it pisses me off. Try actually listening to me rather than making blind statements and maybe you'd get something worthwhile from it. Sly is scum here and I feel pretty strongly about it,just like I did with majiffy in dbz.

[Gorkington]

yeah man going for that classic lie to get you lynched move here.
im saying that the tone of your reads is vastly different from your towngame and very similar to the scumgame i saw.
you conversed all throughout earlygame dbza. like.
ALL of it.
not just questions and sorting, but talking to people like they were people. and not just saying "THIS PERSON IS SCUM AND I AM BEING PERSECUTED" which is your entire ISO this game.

are you going to commit to calling me scum, or no?

[PeregrineV]

And in Timeshift where you were town, you nullread PV for being PV and PV is doing the exact same, yet, he's scum here...
I don't get that dude.

Also, you never really responded to Gork and my question about 2600, but I think you're getting to that.

Tywins meta is that he is a wallposter.
Can you explain how his wallposting is similar to Timeshift specificly?
-Ali

1. I didn't list PerV as scum. I listed him gaining scum points. I don't recall him taunting the thread Timeshift with admitting he was barely reading the game.
2. Yes, getting to 2600
3. This is only the 2nd game I've played with Tywin. He flipped scum in Timeshift. When I was reading this game initially, Tywin hit me with one of his posts and I have basic ignored him ever since because he feels just like Timeshift. When Ram made his post, it rekindled what I had thought earlier when reading through. In Timeshift, it got so bad, I made this response to him at one point...

"Well, Tywin, let me tell you, you are asking about 5. Why not 4 or 6? 5 min abs are what we're talking about. Not 6, not 4, 5. You see? So, we should discuss just how important 5 really is. It's so important that I can just type and type and type and not say a damn thing just like you to appear like I'm adding content. In the next sentence you just kinda say something slightly related to the last and it really adds impact with a nice beefy post that could only be interpreted as town, because scum would never post spam that meant nothing but took for ever to read while the audience looked for an actual point. After reading said nonsense the reader is posed with a question, WTF are they talking about? They went to a shitload of trouble to make a Oprah sized post that surely could only be from a town stance with a heart of gold motive. But the reality is, Tywin, you are scum and I'm tired of reading your scummy hot wind."

Doesn't that strike you just like 637? It does me.

Ramicus was town in Timeshift. Is he striking you as the same way he did in that game?

[Gorkington]

like seriously, if youre town and youre throwing around shit like "YOU ARE LYING" casually, you should understand that it just makes you look 10x scummier than just telling someone that theyre wrong and trying to explain why.

[Gorkington]

okay tywin, new ultimatum. give me a single towngame where you act like this. just one.

if you do that and i agree with the comparison, i will consider not being a fucking maniac who shouts at people until they lynch you to death.
it shouldnt be hard!
just one game!

[PeregrineV]

Friendly reminder: PeregrineV is not town

Since you took the time to make a single post to say this, I have to ask-

[PeregrineV]

Why do you think that?

[Insomniacs]

So many words about Tywinn scum.
So little votes placed on Tywinn.

Please lynch Tywinn.

--Math

[Insomniacs]

don't like the tywin lynch

don't like the rach lynch

just kill sly who cares about "information lynching"

i imagine we're gonna get at least 2 kills during the night.

I do.

Let's get scum. Gonna need why you townread obvScum.

--Math

[Insomniacs]

My number 1 is Cerb though but I am not starting a new wagon with 32 players and day end needed.

Hopefully tomorrow we can iron this out as I hard TR Cerb.

--Math

Oh Hi Drixx too

[PeregrineV]

Neither would be my preferred day1 lynch. Unless you got something solid.

i changed my mind.
did a lazySkim of tywin's meta.
he isnt a robo-"BEEP BOOP PERSON IS SCUM 100% CONFIRMED" as town and is a lot more genial sounding/actually converses with people in dbza.
the whole "I AM VERY GOOD AT SCUMHUNTING 100% THIS PERSON IS MAFIA KILL THEM WTF IDIOTS" looks more like his ISO in timeshift.
VOTE: tywin

also tywin is literally just posturing on stances
hes not sorting anyone.
none of his questions have any kind of bite.
just "im trying to make you look bad because i think ur scum".

RACK IT UP RACK IT UP RACK IT UP.
WOOOOOO

the momentum is me and ramcius.
dafuck you god damn doggy-dork.
look at like 5 posts in these two ISOs and tell me this is his towngame.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71107
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=70036

i dare you.
i double DOG dare you.

Ok, I'll go look at those. And you tell me why scum bothers with 2924

[Gorkington]

tywin is pretty verbose as scum from what ive seen.
i dont really see what in there would make you feel like hes town besides just there being a lot of words.
do you think scumTywin doesnt drop explanations for his reads when people ask for them and hes a wagon contender?

does it not bother you how gimmicky his reads are here? like, it all basically relies on slysly being scum and everyone pushing him being slyScummates trying to save sly.
i have a hard time believing that tywin actually thinks thats the case.
not to mention that i saw an example of him being voted in dbza where he pushed someone for reasoning but didnt go to the same lengths of "DIE DIE DIE SCUM CONFIRMED GET WRECKED NERD".
some prodding for sure, but his kneejerk wasnt to call people 100% scum for pushing him there. it just feels so flashy and unrealistic. and hes literally been pushing this narrative EVERY single post. look at townTywin ISO and tell me that you believe he would buy into that narrative that strongly.

[Cerberus v666]

So, my issue with t switch to Tywin is the simple fact that SlySly showed up, noticed he wasn't at L-1, and essentially proceeded to say fuck you to everyone. I don't known of that's actually meaningful alignment wise, but it does make me feel as though it would be better to put him to l-1 and force answers rather than persisting I'm this sparring over Tywin.

Gorkington, can you please link me to a scum case on Tywin, or constrcut a succinct one for me? I'm not following as closely as I should be, so if such has been done before, I missed it.

[Gorkington]

literally just linked one to pere/my latest post dives into it more.
i can probably put together more thoughts when im not at work tonight.

[Cerberus v666]

Oh and if it's purely meta based without some explanation hinting at scum motivations for various actions, please just tell me it's meta, no need to go into details, I don't know Tywin well enough to have any input on a meta argument, nor do I have the time to research myself.

[Gorkington]

if you dont care about meta, just try to look at tywin under the context of "is this someone who is legitimately trying to solve the game and parse people pushing him? or is it someone who is throwing intense amounts of blowback onto his wagon to try and derail it?"

theres also that he just tried to imply that i "lied" to try and get him lynched. which is pretty awful.

[Cerberus v666]

Yeah, I see you saying things, but I'm having difficulty distinguishing between what you believe to be objectively scummy, and what is scummy for Tywin in particular. I'm far more interested in the former.

Pedit: got it.

[Almost50]

i'm actually scumreading Almost for his attitude right now too.

I'm not going down on my knees
Begging you to adore me
Can't you see it's a misery
And torture for me
When I'm misunderstood
Try as hard as you can
I've tried as hard as I could
To make you see
How important it is for me

Here is a plea
From my heart to you
Nobody knows me
As well as you do
You know how hard it is for me
To shake the disease
That takes hold of my tongue
In situations like these

Understand me
Understand me

Some people have to be
Permanently together
Lovers devoted
To each other forever
Now I've got things to do
And I've said before
That I know you have too
When I'm not there
In spirit I will be there

[Not Chara]

I'm taking a ride
With my best friend
I hope he never lets me down again
He knows where he's taking me
Taking me where I want to be
I'm taking a ride
With my best friend
We're flying high
We're watching the world pass us by
Never want to come down
Never want to put my feet back down
On the ground
I'm taking a ride
With my best friend
I hope he never lets me down again
Promises me I'm safe as houses
As long as I remember who's wearing the trousers
I hope he never lets me down again
Never let me down
See the stars, they're shining bright
Everything's alright tonight

[PeregrineV]

tywin is pretty verbose as scum from what ive seen.
i dont really see what in there would make you feel like hes town besides just there being a lot of words.
do you think scumTywin doesnt drop explanations for his reads when people ask for them and hes a wagon contender?

does it not bother you how gimmicky his reads are here? like, it all basically relies on slysly being scum and everyone pushing him being slyScummates trying to save sly.
i have a hard time believing that tywin actually thinks thats the case.
not to mention that i saw an example of him being voted in dbza where he pushed someone for reasoning but didnt go to the same lengths of "DIE DIE DIE SCUM CONFIRMED GET WRECKED NERD".
some prodding for sure, but his kneejerk wasnt to call people 100% scum for pushing him there. it just feels so flashy and unrealistic. and hes literally been pushing this narrative EVERY single post. look at townTywin ISO and tell me that you believe he would buy into that narrative that strongly.

I can agree with that, but it's also a matter of tone.

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He has long posts, and they seem to be based on the game, but there is an undertone of aggressiveness and a lack of willingness to explain.
While I am fan of the posting style overall (more content per post vs IMchat) it was like there was some part that did not ring true.
Of course, I dismissed it as my reading too much into his posts, and had him at town. But he turned out to be scum.
I looked at his ISO here, and there is more...stated opinions?....than in Timeshift. And just less of that scumtone.

Granted, I haven;t had direct interaction yet, so it may change.
Also, haven't looked at your links yet, so will come back when I finish that and see if my opinion has changed.

[PeregrineV]

So, my issue with t switch to Tywin is the simple fact that SlySly showed up, noticed he wasn't at L-1, and essentially proceeded to say fuck you to everyone. I don't known of that's actually meaningful alignment wise, but it does make me feel as though it would be better to put him to l-1 and force answers rather than persisting I'm this sparring over Tywin.

Gorkington, can you please link me to a scum case on Tywin, or constrcut a succinct one for me? I'm not following as closely as I should be, so if such has been done before, I missed it.

My biggest SlySly concern is that in his reads that Tywin, out of 30 players, came out as his biggest scumread. That's a super big coincidence.

[Hiraki]

VOTE: SLYSLY

this was hammer, if I didn't count wrong from the last mod votecount from pg 113

[Not Chara]

i'll compare the ISOs again, but i'm agreeing with Peregrine here. i also saw what Gork was seeing, and i understand the sentiment, but i think this is town Tywin. the frustration looked genuine and i'm see more thought process after wrestling Tywin into an actual conversation.
differerences are due to not being caught up, i think.

[Gorkington]

this was hammer, if I didn't count wrong from the last mod votecount from pg 113

youre right
q.q