Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

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Official Vote Count 1.16

Lynching

With 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to lynch.

CommKnight

(5): Siblings Pet Doggo, EchoVision, MarioManiac4, GameNBurger, Flubbernugget

Kawso

(4): Gamma Emerald, Hawk, havingfitz, beeboy

Flubbernugget

(2): Sesq, Tenshii

GameNBurger

(2): CommKnight, Almost50

Almost50

(1): Bellaphant

MarioManiac4

(1): DeltaW

Nobody

(2): Kawso, Balki B

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-13 01:40:00)

[GameNBurger]

Okay so while i'm waiting i'm gonna revise the situation possibilities

Comm is mob Doggo is Cop

Comm tries to take the cop down with him since its a decent tradeoff for his faction, but if he fails wolves protect cop

Comm is Wolf Doggo is Cop

Comm tries to expose cop so his faction knows who to protect for the rest of the game, making a gambit with a fair bit of reward

Comm is Cop Doggo is Mob

Comm claims, Doggo risks it all to take out the cop so only the wolves can be Id'd. Not a surefire gambit like scenario 2 but I'd be lying if i didnt say it could work. You're down a cop if you vote comm, but voting doggo saves him indefinitely in theory

Comm is Cop Doggo is Wolf (AWOOO)

Comm claims, Doggo risks it all even though they want this guys alive? This possibility is idiotic.

Situation 4 is stupid. So thats not it.

Let me get this posted and think on it. 4 is out but something doesnt sit well in situation 1. So i'm not sure.

You missed other possibilities, like:

Comm is a Cop and Doggo's CC was a joke!

OR

Comm was JOKING (who claims @ L-3 anyway? Let alone in a spoiler.) and Doggo took him for reals and outed himself.

OR

I'm the real Cop and

I know neither of them fakes Cop as Scum

, so I'm trying to calm them both down w.o. actually outing myself.

I thought I was the idiot

I am seriously going to try and outline possibilites that happen if we don't vote them and let the night decide

[CommKnight]

I thought I was the idiot

Don't worry, you are. You can't even read A50's post correctly.

[GameNBurger]

Almost, Mafia have a reason to claim Cop if they're getting wagoned.
It's so that they can find the real cop and kill them.
-Ali

This is only possible in the lynching phase tho. If they fail to cause a mislynch, then the wolves will just protect the cop forever. You're right in that its their only option, But its defintely not a great gambit to be stuck with.

[Balki B]

Honestly this makes sense. I mean I just assume people played forum mafia elsewhere and have developed good strategies by now. But I forget there's people that this might be their 5th game (or less).

Perhaps you assumed I know what I'm doing because I identified your scumlord dance on Day 1?

Also, stop trying to discredit me. I know what I'm doing plenty. I'm just not in a rush.

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Almost, Mafia have a reason to claim Cop if they're getting wagoned.
It's so that they can find the real cop and kill them.
-Ali

This is only possible in the lynching phase tho. If they fail to cause a mislynch, then the wolves will just protect the cop forever. You're right in that its their only option, But its defintely not a great gambit to be stuck with.

This is true in theory, but you're forgetting all of the WIFOMy shit that can happen.
-Ali

[CommKnight]

No, I just assume people have experience with multi-ball and other set-ups in general.

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

All Comm is doing is discreditting..
Like, it's really scummy...
-Ali

[GameNBurger]

Almost, Mafia have a reason to claim Cop if they're getting wagoned.
It's so that they can find the real cop and kill them.
-Ali

This is only possible in the lynching phase tho. If they fail to cause a mislynch, then the wolves will just protect the cop forever. You're right in that its their only option, But its defintely not a great gambit to be stuck with.

This is true in theory, but you're forgetting all of the WIFOMy shit that can happen.
-Ali

Yeah you're right there, I just make it a personal policy to not go up more than one tear of the WIFOM bullshit mostly because 1 it hurts my brain 2 Occams razor 3 I find WIFOM to often be eneldessly recursive

So yeah my outline is not exhaustive or even guranteed but Its what i have to go off of

[GameNBurger]

I thought I was the idiot

Don't worry, you are. You can't even read A50's post correctly.

ooh so you do have bite

I was wondering when someone was gonna weaponize my join date

[GameNBurger]

If it was one or the other, I'd say it's Game that is scum and Balki that has some learning to do.

I hope you flip some sort of scum because if not this read is absolutely emberassing for you

That and we'll have fell for the shittiest gambit in a while

[Almost50]

Almost, Mafia have a reason to claim Cop if they're getting wagoned.
It's so that they can find the real cop and kill them.
-Ali

Um.. erm.. read my latest couple of posts, and I'm sure you'll find an interesting idea or two

P-edit:

@Balki/Game: Nobody is discrediting you (and tbh, if you rolled scum as either faction you should be glad if you were cleared for whatever reason, even if it was incompetence).

Seriously, guys.. prove yourselves "in the field" .. by action, not flame war posts. Oh, and grow some thicker skin. This is Mafia, and it sometimes gets heated. The trick to always remember it's only a game and what happens in THIS game stays in THIS game. If I get the impression that you can easily be provoked or intimidated I WILL use that against you whenever we play together again (to sort you if I'm Town or to make you look scummy and get you lynched if I'm scum).

[GameNBurger]

Still waiting on you to help me see things your way Almost50 on letting the mobs sort things out. Care to weigh in, or am i still in a time out?

[GameNBurger]

Seriously, guys.. prove yourselves "in the field" .. by action, not flame war posts. Oh, and grow some thicker skin. This is Mafia, and it sometimes gets heated. The trick to always remember it's only a game and what happens in THIS game stays in THIS game. If I get the impression that you can easily be provoked or intimidated I WILL use that against you whenever we play together again (to sort you if I'm Town or to make you look scummy and get you lynched if I'm scum).

How about you get your head above the dirt and answer my question since you're in such a benevolent helping mood then

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Like.
I'm just a VT.
-Ali

[Almost50]

Still waiting on you to help me see things your way Almost50 on letting the mobs sort things out. Care to weigh in, or am i still in a time out?

I'm not quite sure how to explain this. Can you remind me in 12-18 hours (whenever you're in next)?? Cuz I'm too sleepy to explain without making it sound even more complicated.

[GameNBurger]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

VOTE: Sibbling Pet Doggo

Okay then

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Hey Game.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, read my reasoning for why I did that?

And as scum, why would I even back off like that?
-Ali

[GameNBurger]

Still waiting on you to help me see things your way Almost50 on letting the mobs sort things out. Care to weigh in, or am i still in a time out?

I'm not quite sure how to explain this. Can you remind me in 12-18 hours (whenever you're in next)?? Cuz I'm too sleepy to explain without making it sound even more complicated.

Sounds good, totally understand, you might not need to explain it then given Doggo just fake CC'd

[Almost50]

Like.
I'm just a VT.
-Ali

OK, mate. Go to sleep, and we'll talk in the 'morrow

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Like, I get the response I'm going to get is probably not good.
But I'm seasoned out, and I have enough knowledge to think that scum would try to out a PR if they were going to go down.
-Ali

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Game.
I want you to explain to me why I write 464 as scum.
-Ali

[GameNBurger]

Hey Game.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, read my reasoning for why I did that?

And as scum, why would I even back off like that?
-Ali

Mainly Because i read your post and thats such a bullshit move given the multiball setup as Almost50 has pointed out

And i havent played in like 4 years but I seriously doubt meta has changed so drastically that fake claiming as town is all of a sudden an acceptable play in any standard

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Hey Game.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, read my reasoning for why I did that?

And as scum, why would I even back off like that?
-Ali

Mainly Because i read your post and thats such a bullshit move given the multiball setup as Almost50 has pointed out

And i havent played in like 4 years but I seriously doubt meta has changed so drastically that fake claiming as town is all of a sudden an acceptable play in any standard

Meet RadiantCowbells: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 6#p9104916

That game he was hydraing with Titus.

Scum!Ari fakeclaims a 1-shot BP as scum getting wagoned.
They fake a CC.

The idea is not completely out of possibility.

tbh, I'm not even thinking at all from the viewpoints Almost is bringing up.
-Ali