Open 690: Kill All Townies - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: comm Knight

Fast wagon is ew but still scum

Eeeck

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ali, who else is scum? You're deathtunneling me but don't realize there's 5 other (really 6, since I'm town) out there and you're fine with this poor meta case.

You can't even say it's not a grudge. You're holding a grudge over from another game into this one and letting it cloud your judgement on the current wagon.

You bring that game in here I PL you

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously??

UNVOTE:

I thought it was hammer.

I guess I'll hammer you later then.

What the hell

[Siblings Pet Doggo]

Don't get me wrong you're idiotically reckless

I tend to be idiotically reckless a lot so yeah, I'll own up to this.

@Gamma

- Why are you voting during your catchup?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

VOTE: Sibbling Pet Doggo

Okay then

Willing to vote Game

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't get me wrong you're idiotically reckless

I tend to be idiotically reckless a lot so yeah, I'll own up to this.

@Gamma

- Why are you voting during your catchup?

Because I know he isn't close to lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Game.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, read my reasoning for why I did that?

And as scum, why would I even back off like that?
-Ali

Mainly Because i read your post and thats such a bullshit move given the multiball setup as Almost50 has pointed out

And i havent played in like 4 years but I seriously doubt meta has changed so drastically that fake claiming as town is all of a sudden an acceptable play in any standard

Meet RadiantCowbells: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 6#p9104916

That game he was hydraing with Titus.

Scum!Ari fakeclaims a 1-shot BP as scum getting wagoned.
They fake a CC.

The idea is not completely out of possibility.

tbh, I'm not even thinking at all from the viewpoints Almost is bringing up.
-Ali

That was os bg if that was the game I think it was

[Gamma Emerald]

How could you even scumread me this game? My lines are beautiful.

Lol ur turible

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all

[Gamma Emerald]

And they don't stop coming

[podoboq]

Official Vote Count 1.19

Lynching

With 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to lynch.

DeltaW

(4): MarioManiac4, Siblings Pet Doggo, Sesq, Tenshii

Kawso

(3): Hawk, havingfitz, beeboy

CommKnight

(2): EchoVision, Flubbernugget

GameNBurger

(2): CommKnight, Almost50

Almost50

(1): Bellaphant

MarioManiac4

(1): DeltaW

Balki B

(1): Gamma Emerald

Nobody

(3): Kawso, Balki B, GameNBurger

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-06-13 01:40:00)

[CommKnight]

@Gamma, get on the Game wagon with us. This is an easy scum kill. He dun goofed and can't back track now fast enough.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: GamenBurger
Better than vanity wagoning imo

[GameNBurger]

@Gamma, get on the Game wagon with us. This is an easy scum kill. He dun goofed and can't back track now fast enough.

Im curious what is this goof

[GameNBurger]

I'm gonna do quick re read of the whole game because I don't remember there ever being a compelling case for me being scum

Please everyone do chime in as to why I'm scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

VOTE: Sibbling Pet Doggo

Okay then

This vote is terrible. It's easy and low accountability. Also you just saw the possibility the CC was fake and are still voting when that is the case?

[GameNBurger]

Oh yeah Almost, I definitely did find an interesting idea, that's why I wrote that.

Few things.
A. I'm not joking
B. Why would Comm claim like that as town?
C. Softing is kinda useless at this point =(

But with that said Almost, I'll retract and explained why I faked a CC on Comm.

I felt like Comm was making a survivalistic play by claiming Cop, just to out the real cop.
The way he softed in 373 really bugs me, because it makes me feel like as a panic move by softing and the faking a PR claim. My stance in 449 was what I was thinking when I was faking the CC exactly.
I wanted to keep the real cop hidden in the event Comm was mafia.
Does that make sense?
UNVOTE:

-Ali

VOTE: Sibbling Pet Doggo

Okay then

This vote is terrible. It's easy and low accountability. Also you just saw the possibility the CC was fake and are still voting when that is the case?

What is even your last sentence, rewrite would help me understand what you're saying pls

From what I think you're trying to say, I voted comm because of Doggos counterclaim as I ruled out scumdoggo had very little reason to gambit like this. I previously thought that towndoggo fakeclaiming was idiotic and ruled out espescially when I was reminded it smultiball and cop is safe as soon as they come out due to the wolves mutual interest of keeping him alive.

Then doggo admitted it was a fake cc which I still find incredibly stupid move that backfired

I voted mainly because policy and because I refused to believe any townie with a Brain on there head would fake cc

Doggo shows me an example and I sleep on it

I conclude there would be no reason for scumdoggo to admit to a fake cc given the solidity of the wagon that was being kept on comm unless it was some double reachaeound wifom levels of counter meta shit which I'm choosing to believe it's not that

I think anyone could see why fake claiming as town is a votable offense, I believe others have mentioned the same

[Gamma Emerald]

That's why I scumread it
Policy votes are easy to hide behind as scum. What do you think of the rest of their content?

[GameNBurger]

I've also re read the thread and if we're gonna talk about lazy unaccountable votes The only reason for people voting me are

"He's scum"

"1 of Balki and Gamen are scum"

This one I don't get why everyone is framing this as a good argument given that 1 I take issue with pretty much only one thing when I get in debates which is clarity so I don't see it as scum picking a fight from either side, as I'm just a harpie when it comes to clarity

In fact if you want to use this framing device why not take a look at echo given that he tried to start a needless spat The boils down to "shut up man"

Like if anything I think Balki is town given only that argument to go off on

And the third reason is

"Lazy vote is lazy"

Without any explanation other than that, usually coming from a guy 3rd or 4th on a wagon

and perhaps my favorite

"You're over reacting or misunderstanding, a vote will hopefully teach you a lesson"

Like what is that even I don't know

Like even delta had some people give a post quote and a reason for it being scummy a while back

So yeah if the 4 of you could elaborate more that would go a long way

Post authorship: I like the rest of their content, It wasn't a strong town read until the cc, but they atleast had competent arguments when they started explaining things

I don't like how thy were quiet at first but atleast they know how to build a case, it's not alignment indicative since this is multi ball but I atleast like their content as players

When the CC was fake I just didn't see any value in really having them around given how reckless and stupid their gambit was

Also you could atleast give it was reactionary and that I did in fact sleep on it and change my mind

[CommKnight]

I SR you because even after Almost50's 50/50 suggestion of leaving both of us alive, you kept voting me thinking you'd get "scum". When A50's method would've worked too but you kept at it.

You wanted me dead, regardless of how townie or not I was.

That and even after Ali outed that it was fake, you wanted to keep it between me and them. Why not look at the rest of my wagon and scum hunt the multiple scum more than likely on it? That is what pings me hard. Ali wondered why I didn't focus on them, it's because I'm focusing on the ones hiding behind the shitty reasoning.

[GameNBurger]

Post edit:

Honestly I see what you're reasoning is tho, I should probably make that clear, I know some people policy lynch policy lynchers so Idk
I don't have anything else to really say to that tho, other than that I don't think there's much else that speaks to me bing scum at all

[GameNBurger]

I SR you because even after Almost50's 50/50 suggestion of leaving both of us alive, you kept voting me thinking you'd get "scum". When A50's method would've worked too but you kept at it.

You wanted me dead, regardless of how townie or not I was.

That and even after Ali outed that it was fake, you wanted to keep it between me and them. Why not look at the rest of my wagon and scum hunt the multiple scum more than likely on it? That is what pings me hard. Ali wondered why I didn't focus on them, it's because I'm focusing on the ones hiding behind the shitty reasoning.

Because I didn't understand it at first and when I said I was gonna consider it the very next post was doggo admitting fake claim

Keep in mind my posts up to that point were flow of consciousness so you have a very good insight as to why I thought it was an either or situation

Also I have literally not said anything about you since I woke up this morning and unvoted you so if you could get me time to actually weigh in that would be great

I didn't think I needed to formally say I think you're legit cop now but I guess I do so if anything I see both you and doggo as town

I know it's hard to consider other town could be wrong about you given you know you're town but you gotta understand that under a cc there was little reason to think you weren't scum and I haven't still had a good formal explanation of why or how the 50/50 chance of letting the mafia sort it out would work given there'd be a good chance you'd be dead in that situation if we assume doggo never let up the cc

I do see your point of view tho and atleast it's a reason that has an argument underneath it

Answer me something

Whose you're next biggest lead on whose scum? Curious to know because I'm terrible at getting it right when it comes to following the vote chains

[CommKnight]

Then look at my wagon before I outed. Make a case. It's not all town, that's for damn sure.

[MarioManiac4]

If you're gonna put words in my mouth at least tell me what it is I truly believe, clarity goes a long way in conversation

Sure. It's quite clear:

If you wanna look town by making the first accusation, at least don't crumble as soon as someone half observes you making the move you're accusing someone else of making

Here's a protip next time you get anything non townie, or even if you do get townie, Less is more.

You have suggested, with much more certainty than SPD, that I am scum.

Ah I see, lovely you can detect my hint of dry sarcasm with those sentences to call me a condescending asshole, but cant seem to read the conclusion of my post, ya know, the most important part that states the point:

(3)Its not, if you're referring to question 2, and if you're not, it helps to use direct subjects in questions, not pronouns. Nice bait by the way,

I don't personally think Echo's claim holds water but I do think the fact that you seem to be in panic mode makes it worth the vote for pressure. I honestly cant say if you're 100% scum, but i think some pressure will help me decide in the end.

Thank you for atleast being clear with what you're saying, I'm gonna have a lot of fun having pull teeth everytime I want to know what you're saying.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

Nah, I just happen to be a condescending asshole to everyone, or atleast I am when deciphering what you're trying to say takes so much time (with the exception of your post before you panic, could we get your posts to resemble that atleast?). Please be clear and direct when saying things, and I cant seriously remember the last time direct anger baiting (The calling me a condescending asshole bit so i'm clear) ever worked.

POST AUTHORSHIP Since you posted with a more thoughtful post since i started writing: Thats what i'm looking for as far as clarity goes, and to itterate more on why I think you were in panic mode: Shortfire posts, the lack of clarity, the primary use of ethos rather logos in arguments. I repeat this since i'm demanding a sense of quality from your posts, I might as well hold myself to the same standard.

Can you two stop this, separate arguments is anti-town, all I see is 2 fuckwits arguing over a point made several pages ago and escalating it so which ever of you is scum can use it as material for your wagon later.

He calls the wagon anti-town, while not actually trying to solve who is town or scum.

I am so not looking forward to failing to read Balki this game.

Also, will you be playing the entire game as a condescending asshole? Is it some sort of role play?

nah, either vig just shoots whoever or they shoot the common scumreads
telling vig to shoot you p1 is WIFOM and unhelpful

Wowie MM4, look at you.
So helpful.

Thanks I try.

VOTE: Kawso

VOTE: DeltaW

So many empty posts, if you want to call my stuff fake, actually put some stuff in the thread of substance, that's why I come daily so there's enough substance to mkae a post about it.

"Is not giving reasons for votes the new meta, or would you care to enlighten any of us?"
this really doesn't have anything to do with the general consensus on how scummy people are

Makes you seem more scummy.
VOTE: Mario

^ this isn't a genuine evaluation

[CommKnight]

Honestly Flubber looks pretty bad from the votes as well.