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[Boonskiies]

The bodyguard I could keep in there as well.

[Boonskiies]

bumpin'

[Firebringer]

What does "immune to investigations" mean in this context?

[Boonskiies]

Any investigative result would be treated as role blocked if it targets.

[Boonskiies]

More like if they were ascetic for investigative roles only, rather than roleblocked.

[mykonian]

I feel the role (Town Symbiotic) fits normality more than the rest.

and yet I don't think that's normal.

[Boonskiies]

It would be one grey listed, yeah.

[Firebringer]

6 VT
JK
Loyal Cop (either 1 shot or odd night)
symbiotic
gunsmith

maf vanilla cop
maf encryptor
maf goon

This seems alright, but i think you should change the wording on "Investigation immune" because of how i was confused on wording.

Give wording that is more akin to ascetic.

[Boonskiies]

Updated Role PM's

Spoiler:

x6

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• During the day, you can vote and talk
• You do nothing special.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

Abilities:

• Every night, you may target a player. Your target will be unable to perform an action, but will also be protected from a night kill.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Town Odd-Night Loyal Cop

.

Abilities:

• Once in the game, at night, you may target a player. If you target a player that is mafia, it will act as if you were roleblocked, and you will be given a "No Result". You will be given a result of "Not Mafia" if your target is not aligned with mafia.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Town Gunsmith

.

Abilities:

• During the night phase, you may investigate one player. If your target has a gun, you will receive a "Guilty" result. If the target does not have a gun, you will receive "Not Guilty".

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Town Symbiotic

.

Abilities:

• At the beginning of the game, you will target someone by PM'ing the mod. You will become

Lovers

with that person, so you both will die if one of you die. If you and your lover are not of the same alignment, all investigative actions that are targeted towards you or your lover will fail. In other words, you will be ascetic for investigative roles only. You will not be informed of this.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Virus Mafia Goon

.

Abilities:

• You do nothing special.
• Your private thread is here.

Win condition:

You win when you control at least 50% of the population or if this situation can no longer be prevented.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Virus Mafia Encryptor

.

Abilities:

• As long as you are alive, you and your partners will have access to daytalk in the factional private thread.
• Your private thread is here.

Win condition:

You win when you control at least 50% of the population or if this situation can no longer be prevented.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Virus Mafia Vanilla Cop

.

Abilities:

• At night, you may target a player. You will be told if they are a Vanilla role or not by getting the result "Vanilla" or "Not Vanilla".
• Your private thread is here.

Win condition:

You win when you control at least 50% of the population or if this situation can no longer be prevented.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

[mykonian]

yeah, and I'm not happy with that as a greylist.

Lovers aren't whitelist anymore.
n0 chosen lovers never have been.
investigative immunity you could read as a limited ascetic effect, which is normal, this individually would be fine as greylist
but the allignment dependency is then again clearly themed.

That role does not make sense in a normal game.

[Boonskiies]

well, then let's work it out in a way where it could be? what can be changed about it to get it there.

[Boonskiies]

I could change it to a Seraph Knight variant instead, which would somewhat bring my BG role back in itself, actually. That would take out the lovers entirely.

[Boonskiies]

Welcome, [insert player name here], you are a

Town Symbiotic

.

Abilities:

• At the beginning of the game, you will target someone by PM'ing the mod. If this person is targeted with a night kill, you will be killed in their place. If you and your target are not of the same alignment, all investigative actions that are targeted towards you or your target will fail. In other words, you and your target will be ascetic for investigative roles only. You will not be informed of this.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

[Boonskiies]

This might even work better in my game anyways, and this is actually not too far off from a Seraph Knight in general, which in itself would be a grey listed role

[mykonian]

you could happily have a investigation specific ascetic. The rest I think makes more sense in a theme. I don't think people in a normal could expect a role to change depending on who they picked n0.

[Boonskiies]

I feel like it's the same concept as having a Gunsmith with mafia doctor/town vigilantes. The role doesn't change, it just adds that "did i get roleblocked or nah"

I don't think the role changes. It's an action. The player still has to target someone. I could make it so they have until the end of Day 1, to give less randomness from it. More similar to loyal modifier and getting a no result.

[Boonskiies]

Like it's just a seraph knight that if it targets scum, investigative immune. The change to seraph knight has made it incredibly simple.

I see this as incredibly acceptable in normal games (much more than Desperado and whatnot?)

Am I allowed to speak of a role that's in a current game I am modding here considering none of you guys are in that game?

[Boonskiies]

it doesn't change at all, as technically, the seraph knight would save the mafia from being NK'd if there was a way for mafia to be NK'd this game.

An Investigative Immune Seraph Knight would be acceptable, I feel. So I don't get why a possible Investigative Immune Seraph Knight wouldn't be.

[Boonskiies]

I also like giving Scum a little extra WIFOM, and with the vanilla cop potentially getting a No Result read from JK or investigating Symbiotic is like candy to me.

[Boonskiies]

I don't think people in a normal could expect a role to change depending on who they picked n0.

This is what doesn't necessarily add up to me. Considering the Loyal modifier essentially has the same effect, but for itself, which is another reason I liked the addition of the Loyal modifier in the game.

[Boonskiies]

I really like the JK, Loyal Cop, Symbiotic combo actually, as it adds differing forms of No Result possibilities.

[Firebringer]

I should probably note you can't change name of mafia team to something thats clearly themed....

[Firebringer]

I am kind of fine with either variations of role, i agree its not normal and causes game to enter in a gray area of normalcy because of lovers and ascetic but i think its overall not too far outside of normalcy...

[Boonskiies]

ascetic is normal, though, and without the lover aspect of it all helps make it even closer to normal.

I do have my booneytoonz disclaimer there, and I do post this when my game goes into signups as well.

Am I not allowed to have the Virus part of it there, even if it's just mafia? I felt like that was just like calling it Blue Mafia, and whatnot. That's fine if I can't, just wondering.

[Boonskiies]

Yeah, I think that the Symbiotic, Loyal Cop, and JK have a similar role that fits what I'm going for in this game.