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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:19 pm

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In post 65, Treblesome wrote: We asked in thread who we were going to shoot like we thought it was the mafia topic and his was response was essentially "nightkill huh what" like he didn't even consider the possibility of the slip.
V this is not paraphrasing, this is insinuating utter bullshit, and you damn well know it.

Hell it was bundled with my throw away early game "introductory" line.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:19 pm

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In post 71, GinghamDog wrote:Who owns the neighborhood? Because if Treble is lying and also owns the neighborhood, I wouldn't necessarily trust whomever gets brought in to verify.

How does Treble lying correlate with you trusting who they bring into the neighborhood, unless they're scum?
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:22 pm

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Why do you think Treble would lie about that unless they're scum?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:22 pm

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I was thinking out loud. Treble could bring in whoever they wanted since they have a weighted vote. But it's kinda silly really since I doubt scum!Treble would invite their own scum buddy in to verify, since we'd have the scum team outed right there if it didn't work out.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:23 pm

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UNVOTE: MarioManiac4
VOTE: Treblesome


So basically what i'm getting from the neighborhood is that C apparently knows me, and V doesn't so V doesn't know what is going on.

1) C knowing me makes this opening vote even worse then it already is.
2) This whole Hydra miscommunication shit is a shitty reason, when you should be communicating clearly with your partner the actual reasons, so i am happy to change this vote, though if i had a second vote it'd still be sitting on Mario.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:26 pm

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In post 79, JasonWazza wrote:So basically what i'm getting from the neighborhood is that C apparently knows me, and V doesn't so V doesn't know what is going on.

1) C knowing me makes this opening vote even worse then it already is.
Can you explain this part?
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:29 pm

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C's Argument is that my opening seems forced.

1) Most opening debates in Mafia in general seem forced.
2) This is basically my stock standard way of starting discussion.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:34 pm

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I'm open to having someone check out our hood.

Communication is a bit of an issue; we've never hydra'd together before and hopefully we'll get better at it as the game goes on.

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P-edit: I disagree that most opening debates seem forced.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:39 pm

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In post 78, GinghamDog wrote:I was thinking out loud. Treble could bring in whoever they wanted since they have a weighted vote. But it's kinda silly really since I doubt scum!Treble would invite their own scum buddy in to verify, since we'd have the scum team outed right there if it didn't work out.
Can you elaborate on the end? What is the chain of events where it doesn't work out?
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:49 pm

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In post 83, Writers Bloque wrote: Can you elaborate on the end? What is the chain of events where it doesn't work out?
Hypothetically, scum!Treble recruits their scum buddy, together they push the narrative that Jason is the real scum. If somehow Jason becomes confirmed town or at least puts up a better argument somehow, then the scum team is pretty much out in the open. But even if Jason is killed and flips town, they still don't look good. So for this reason, I don't think it's a strategy scum!Treble would use.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:50 pm

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It is a paraphrase on account of the fact that I cannot directly quote from the hood. I did not change the meaning nor would anyone introduced to the hood disagree. For my part I am near 100% certain that the slot flips scum.
His pushback on us feels incredibly disingenuous, the way he responded in hood felt really disingenuous, it feels like he's just ramping up the aggression to towntell.

No, your opening isn't just forced it's forced in a bad way. Your pushback doesn't feel like someone who legitimately feels we're scum, it feels like someone who is trying to get townread. It feels like a show.

That slot flips scum.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:51 pm

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Also, I do not like at all how Gingham's sort of throwing things in from the sidelines but not actually adding anything to the discussion and they are my first pick for scumbuddy.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:52 pm

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In post 85, Treblesome wrote:His pushback on us feels incredibly disingenuous, the way he responded in hood felt really disingenuous, it feels like he's just ramping up the aggression to towntell.
Hey V, whoever C is, this bitch ain't played with me.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:52 pm

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(This all comes from C.)

Haven't I? :good:

You're voting me. You claim to think that I'm scum. Why exactly would you be trying to turn my partner against me if you think I'm scum? Wouldn't they, y'know, be in on it?
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:53 pm

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Jason's play comes from a headspace of 'I want the pressure on me to go away' rather than a headspace of 'I actually genuinely believe that Treblesome are scum'.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:56 pm

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In post 84, GinghamDog wrote:
In post 83, Writers Bloque wrote: Can you elaborate on the end? What is the chain of events where it doesn't work out?
Hypothetically, scum!Treble recruits their scum buddy, together they push the narrative that Jason is the real scum. If somehow Jason becomes confirmed town or at least puts up a better argument somehow, then the scum team is pretty much out in the open. But even if Jason is killed and flips town, they still don't look good. So for this reason, I don't think it's a strategy scum!Treble would use.
If Jason were killed and flips town that would confirm scum!Treble and their partner, on the contrary

That's why it isn't viable at all really, that hypothetical



I've thought Jason was genuine. I'm factoring in the "aggression to towntell" thing but there's people that post like that.

It seems like a genuine misunderstanding. Treble, you were expecting him to think you were dumb enough to scumslip in your neighborhood?
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:58 pm

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No, I was expecting him to respond in a way that acknowledged that we were very likely trolling. Not total confusion as to the possibilities. It wasn't super scum indicative, it's just one of many scummy things.

I don't particularly care what you think is genuine because this site as a whole has absolutely no clue how to read aggression or emotionality and I wouldn't take your word for it.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:02 pm

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In post 89, Treblesome wrote:Jason's play comes from a headspace of 'I want the pressure on me to go away' rather than a headspace of 'I actually genuinely believe that Treblesome are scum'.
Lol nice try, but my headspace comes from "C is an uninformed dumbass, and V sounds like a reasonable person"
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:03 pm

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And I'm not saying that to be mean: it's just a fact. When you have players like Drealmerz7 or Broseidon or FA consistently win games as scum via played up aggression that gets read as 'genuine' you've got a site meta of not knowing how to read certain playstyles. I am very confident in my ability to read Jason's playstyle because I've got a feeling in my gut that I've seen all this before.

If Jason is town he should be very, very clear on what why he is scumreading us at this point because that was the nail in the coffin of me reconsidering that read.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:03 pm

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In post 92, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 89, Treblesome wrote:Jason's play comes from a headspace of 'I want the pressure on me to go away' rather than a headspace of 'I actually genuinely believe that Treblesome are scum'.
Lol nice try, but my headspace comes from "C is an uninformed dumbass, and V sounds like a reasonable person"
You said that we're scum. Scum aren't uninformed dumbasses when they push on town, they're, y'know, scum.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:04 pm

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Treblesome wrote:No, I was expecting him to respond in a way that acknowledged that we were very likely trolling. Not total confusion as to the possibilities. It wasn't super scum indicative, it's just one of many scummy things.

I don't particularly care what you think is genuine because this site as a whole has absolutely no clue how to read aggression or emotionality and I wouldn't take your word for it.


I expected you to take my word or something? LOL
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:07 pm

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In post 94, Treblesome wrote:
In post 92, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 89, Treblesome wrote:Jason's play comes from a headspace of 'I want the pressure on me to go away' rather than a headspace of 'I actually genuinely believe that Treblesome are scum'.
Lol nice try, but my headspace comes from "C is an uninformed dumbass, and V sounds like a reasonable person"
You said that we're scum. Scum aren't uninformed dumbasses when they push on town, they're, y'know, scum.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:08 pm

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In post 86, Treblesome wrote:Also, I do not like at all how Gingham's sort of throwing things in from the sidelines but not actually adding anything to the discussion and they are my first pick for scumbuddy.
ISO me and you'll see the majority of my posts in this game are directly communicating with other players, not "tossing things in from the sidelines." Not sure which head wrote this, but I'd expect better from the one I know.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:10 pm

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This is all C.

And honestly it feels like they are just flailing like a child at this point.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:10 pm

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In post 84, GinghamDog wrote:
In post 83, Writers Bloque wrote: Can you elaborate on the end? What is the chain of events where it doesn't work out?
Hypothetically, scum!Treble recruits their scum buddy, together they push the narrative that Jason is the real scum. If somehow Jason becomes confirmed town or at least puts up a better argument somehow, then the scum team is pretty much out in the open. But even if Jason is killed and flips town, they still don't look good. So for this reason, I don't think it's a strategy scum!Treble would use.
In post 78, GinghamDog wrote:I was thinking out loud. Treble could bring in whoever they wanted since they have a weighted vote. But it's kinda silly really since I doubt scum!Treble would invite their own scum buddy in to verify, since we'd have the scum team outed right there if it didn't work out.
In post 73, GinghamDog wrote:I wonder if Treble did this same thing in their other neighborhood. If they didn't, then the fact they have more sway in this one could mean something.
In post 71, GinghamDog wrote:Who owns the neighborhood? Because if Treble is lying and also owns the neighborhood, I wouldn't necessarily trust whomever gets brought in to verify.
In post 66, GinghamDog wrote:
In post 65, Treblesome wrote: We asked in thread who we were going to shoot like we thought it was the mafia topic and his was response was essentially "nightkill huh what" like he didn't even consider the possibility of the slip.
That's intriguing, but naturally none of us can see the conversation so we can only take your word for how his reaction came across. So to be clear, you faked a scumslip just to gauge his reaction? What was the plan if he believed you?
These are the posts that I'm referring to.

You're doing this odd, half-baked analysis that basically amounts to analysis of setup details and mechanical possibilities rather than alignment.
I note that you haven't anywhere in this diatribe given any indication as to what you think the alignment of either party is?
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