Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Aronis]

Pagetop!

[QuantumRadius]

ok idk... ginngie v. bulba is giving me TvS vibes... idrk who's who

Can you help me understand non-directional TvS? I mean, how does something read like that, yet it's not clear which is which? Not a trick question.

-Kelvin

an excellent question.
forgive my self-meta and my terrible explanation for it

in fm I have skills that are, as I would describe, more abstract than factually and logically based.
one of my better skills is reading two-player interactions based on intensity, in cooperation with my individual scumreads
the most intense arguments are usually TvT, because both players know they are on the town side and think that the other could be scum, or someone is annoyed by someone else
TvS usually is slightly less intense/more civil. with the scum player attempting to cooperate with the townie and earn their trust, or to bail from the pressure, it feels like something is being either held back or forced.
SvS are usually quick, not-really-conflict-y interactions. cooperating on a fabricated agenda to support something, or distance from a teammate. usually any real dissonance in the scumteam would be resolved in the maf chat, not in the thread. I almost never read this unless I see obvious ties, or one of them is confmaf

nondirectional tvs is what I read when both players are engaging each other, but I have none of that logic/fact/meta to scumread either in particular, and yet I feel that one of them is artificially engaged, and idk who. something about it feels fake or forced and I can't tell who is at fault

[Frosted Kelvin Bran]

ok idk... ginngie v. bulba is giving me TvS vibes... idrk who's who

Can you help me understand non-directional TvS? I mean, how does something read like that, yet it's not clear which is which? Not a trick question.

-Kelvin

an excellent question.
forgive my self-meta and my terrible explanation for it

in fm I have skills that are, as I would describe, more abstract than factually and logically based.
one of my better skills is reading two-player interactions based on intensity, in cooperation with my individual scumreads
the most intense arguments are usually TvT, because both players know they are on the town side and think that the other could be scum, or someone is annoyed by someone else
TvS usually is slightly less intense/more civil. with the scum player attempting to cooperate with the townie and earn their trust, or to bail from the pressure, it feels like something is being either held back or forced.
SvS are usually quick, not-really-conflict-y interactions. cooperating on a fabricated agenda to support something, or distance from a teammate. usually any real dissonance in the scumteam would be resolved in the maf chat, not in the thread. I almost never read this unless I see obvious ties, or one of them is confmaf

nondirectional tvs is what I read when both players are engaging each other, but I have none of that logic/fact/meta to scumread either in particular, and yet I feel that one of them is artificially engaged, and idk who. something about it feels fake or forced and I can't tell who is at fault

Interesting. It seems odd to me that you could notice artificial engagement without being able to tell which party was the initiator.

Also, holy shit, I'm caught up! Now to go eat cereal, go to sleep, and fall behind again when tomorrow rolls around.

-Kelvin

[Ginngie]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

[QuantumRadius]

Spoiler: snip

ok idk... ginngie v. bulba is giving me TvS vibes... idrk who's who

Can you help me understand non-directional TvS? I mean, how does something read like that, yet it's not clear which is which? Not a trick question.

-Kelvin

an excellent question.
forgive my self-meta and my terrible explanation for it

in fm I have skills that are, as I would describe, more abstract than factually and logically based.
one of my better skills is reading two-player interactions based on intensity, in cooperation with my individual scumreads
the most intense arguments are usually TvT, because both players know they are on the town side and think that the other could be scum, or someone is annoyed by someone else
TvS usually is slightly less intense/more civil. with the scum player attempting to cooperate with the townie and earn their trust, or to bail from the pressure, it feels like something is being either held back or forced.
SvS are usually quick, not-really-conflict-y interactions. cooperating on a fabricated agenda to support something, or distance from a teammate. usually any real dissonance in the scumteam would be resolved in the maf chat, not in the thread. I almost never read this unless I see obvious ties, or one of them is confmaf

nondirectional tvs is what I read when both players are engaging each other, but I have none of that logic/fact/meta to scumread either in particular, and yet I feel that one of them is artificially engaged, and idk who. something about it feels fake or forced and I can't tell who is at fault

Interesting. It seems odd to me that you could notice artificial engagement without being able to tell which party was the initiator.

Also, holy shit, I'm caught up! Now to go eat cereal, go to sleep, and fall behind again when tomorrow rolls around.

-Kelvin

yeah. this is why I try to stick to the factual arguments. stuff like this happens in the really weird mushy part of my brain where everything makes sense but you can't explain it. that part of my thought process is pretty indescribable but it's remarkably more accurate.

[Aronis]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

Mathblade is like obvtown. This is a bad post

[QuantumRadius]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

woah there
is this about the light pt thing
because that escalated waaaaay out of proportion imo

[QuantumRadius]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

Mathblade is like obvtown. This is a bad post

eh... from what I hear that may not be entirely true, but math is null-slight town for me, solidly.

[Aronis]

Math had been town since like post 1, am i missing something here?

[mastina]

Twenty-ninth Votecount

:

texcat - 3 (Mathblade, Vedith, A2)

Aronis - 3 (Titus, Aelita, dramonic)

Titus - 2 (QuantumRadius, Aronis)
Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)
SnarkySnowman - 1 (ThinkBig)
Ginngie - 1 (79 CE)
Aelita - 1 (texcat)
Mathblade - 1 (Ginngie)

Not Voting - 5 (EddieFenix, BTD6_maker, SnarkySnowman, Bulbazak, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

With

18

alive, it takes

10

to lynch.

At deadline,

texcat

would be lynched.

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[mastina]

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[Bulbazak]

I've played with her more often, and that would be an anomaly, at least the "less certain" part. I do agree that she mostly tries to stay out of the way or ingratiate herself when scum. As town, she's willing to butt heads to defend her views, even if those views don't make sense. She floods the place with content when interacting with other players, especially players who she believes should know her better, like myself. There ends up being a lot of give and take. This game? None of that. Docile? Check-ish. Less aggressive? Definitely a check there. So...Titus is essentially playing to that scum meta you just described. Why aren't you voting her?

I'm not voting her because I don't see the more docile side of her. Also, still Day 1, which she has many times professed to hate, so her not being in full active mode isn't really a surprise. Though even with that, she's still one of the most active players in the game. And she's been pushing her alternative narrative pretty much the entire time, just like I'd expect.

-Kelvin

I haven't felt her presence in this game since the beginning of d1.

then can you drag me and bulba to the light side cause the current ppl over here are awful

I thought you liked the Dark Side?
But yeah, the Dark PT has suddenly become a very silly place.

yeah. this is why I try to stick to the factual arguments. stuff like this happens in the really weird mushy part of my brain where everything makes sense but you can't explain it. that part of my thought process is pretty indescribable but it's remarkably more accurate.

When I talk about gut, this is what I'm talking about. I know something pinged, but I can't figure out what, at least not at that moment. It normally solidifies after a few days of thought.

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

woah there
is this about the light pt thing
because that escalated waaaaay out of proportion imo

What's happening in the Light PT that would explain that vote?

[Frosted Kelvin Bran]

I've played with her more often, and that would be an anomaly, at least the "less certain" part. I do agree that she mostly tries to stay out of the way or ingratiate herself when scum. As town, she's willing to butt heads to defend her views, even if those views don't make sense. She floods the place with content when interacting with other players, especially players who she believes should know her better, like myself. There ends up being a lot of give and take. This game? None of that. Docile? Check-ish. Less aggressive? Definitely a check there. So...Titus is essentially playing to that scum meta you just described. Why aren't you voting her?

I'm not voting her because I don't see the more docile side of her. Also, still Day 1, which she has many times professed to hate, so her not being in full active mode isn't really a surprise. Though even with that, she's still one of the most active players in the game. And she's been pushing her alternative narrative pretty much the entire time, just like I'd expect.

-Kelvin

I haven't felt her presence in this game since the beginning of d1.

I guess I don't really see how that is. But it might just be that I'm more conscious of her since she's one of the few players here that I'm familiar with, so I'm more inclined to notice her.

-Kelvin

[MathBlade]

I'm starting a fight

VOTE: MathBlade

I feel like being a pacifist. I scumread you my townreads don't. Let's lynch obvScum Texcat who is trying to rolefish.

[Ginngie]

Bullshit

[Ginngie]

You're not a pacifist

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: @Math

[texcat]

Math had been town since like post 1, am i missing something here?

It's certainly hard to see from where I sit.

[Titus]

Spoiler: @Math

Needs to happen if you're town Math.

[BTD6_maker]

79 CE, what is your case on Texcat?

Never made a case. My read is based on Dark PT content, lack of content in game thread and the things Aslan highlighted in his case which I agree with. May I ask when you're going to start doing anything yourself? Because your play here smells like the scumplay I saw from you in White Flag where you offer random wagon analysis that you don't do anything with and don't follow up on and delay on while doing nothing else in thread. If you're town can you show up please.

Phone posting.

While I was scum in Open 678, wagon analysis is something I do fairly often, as Town or scum. Analysing reasoning for votes is ultimately beneficial to Town.

[Aronis]

Math had been town since like post 1, am i missing something here?

It's certainly hard to see from where I sit.

there's not 3rd party in this game? (I think) so like I think you should've known pregame. nice try pretending to be town tho

[Aronis]

then can you drag me and bulba to the light side cause the current ppl over here are awful

I thought you liked the Dark Side?
But yeah, the Dark PT has suddenly become a very silly place.

yeah, but nobody is responding so i was gonna see if I would have better luck teaching jedi

[Aronis]

srry, obvtown quantumradius, but I think I'm gonna go back to texcat until Titus gets more vote. srry, you have a rlly good case that I would gladly help you lynch titus later tho. but texcat needs to die rn

VOTE: texcat

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