Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1.8

Jasmine is not the most recent vining plant to be added to my garden, though! I planted two Raven Sweet Carolines on either side of my garden bridge this week. Sweet Carolines can spread to nearly two yards in diameter. They grow to about 15-18 inches in height and will climb that short distance straight up anything in their path. This variant is called Raven because the leaves are a dark purple-black. It will not contrast much with the bark around it, but the contrast against my gaudy turquoise bridge will be great. I envision it looking like a dark pond under and around the bridge eventually.

King Cankles

(3): Ciara24, Fykus, WhaleBarnicle

Fykus

(2): PersephoneSidekick, King Cankles

Not Voting

(4): mhsmith0, RadiantCowbells, WhyMafia, PestoSwami

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: July 6, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-07-05 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- PestoSwami has been prodded.
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[WhaleBarnicle]

I'm quick checking in myself while I'm at work, Cankles saying he is just giving up is sad to hear whether he is scum or town. Please reconsider at try and help us out? I'm still not sure if that has any real bearing on alignment though.

As far as Salami getting prodded, I think that actually adds a bit of validity to them really just not being sure on how this game is played. I thought it seemed a little bit thick before like trying to play ignorant to fly under the radar, but with the prod this seems a bit paranoid and overly suspicious.

I'm not totally sold on Fykus either? I'd like to hear things from someone else's perspective on the situation though, and I'll look at things again on my own a little bit later tonight hopefully. For now, I'm fine with Cankles maybe not right up on the chopping block, but we really need to start looking around guys (and I'll keep my vote there for now just in case he does say something pretty damning after he potentially starts being more active). The end of the day is coming up in about 8 days and that's right in time for July 4th (assuming you all are in the U.S.). What I DEFINITELY want to avoid is a situation where we all get busy, the timer goes out, and the mafia get away with a nolynch day one with very little content to show for it. Then it's all back to RVS on day 2 practically and we're just one man down with that much less room for error. That's obviously a worst case scenario, but one to watch out for.

For now, I guess my only other real hunch is ?Maf as I said earlier, but I'm getting less sure of that lately as well. Bah. I have to think.

[RadiantCowbells]

There are 8 days left in today's phase. We've got plenty of time.

@Everyone voting one of Fykus/King Cankles: if you think that you're voting scum, who is their partner?

[fferyllt]

Fykus has been prodded.

[King Cankles]

Well I'm a all for continuing the game, but if Fykus is lynched and ends up being town, that's a heavy chance for my death on D2.

I've basically already signed my lynch warrant. Throughout the rest of the game, dead or alive, I've caused irreversible suspicion on myself.

[WhyMafia]

No it isn't ..
Stop doubting yourself
Push people
Who do you think is scum?

[Fykus]

sorry for getting prodded that was an accident.

as you your comment rc you always wanna lynch me. thats just a fact of life.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean the one time I was town with you I played a fairly significant role in preventing House from powerlynching you, so I'm not sure why you'd feel that way.

I mean you've seen me as scum a whole bunch, and I've lynched you as scum, yes. Do you think that I'm scum this game?

[Fykus]

Im gonna cross my fingers and hope your not and i think if you are and im alive later on that i might catch one of your scum tells but i wont hold my breath. Ill post some proper content after work though and you can judge md for yourself

[PestoSwami]

Hey, sorry - crazy weekend. Gonna eat some dinner and catch up.

[PestoSwami]

Well first off I'd like to say to everyone hello, and thanks to Ffery for so quickly letting me join in on this game! This is my first time playing on this site, but I've played a few times with friends at parties. Those were always in person and with alcohol so from what I can tell of reading some other completed games they were pretty different. I'll start by just going through what I generally think of each person, and I'll hopefully have some questions for each person to respond to if they want. I'll wrap it up with just some general impressions about the game so far at the end. I had a lot to catch up on, so I may have lost some details, but fortunately it's still pretty early on so I'll be all eagle eyes from here on out.

In order:

PersephoneSidekick (Peri):

This is probably my biggest townread right now. Back in post 15 Peri warned about us putting someone at L-2 quickly. From a scum perspective this doesn't make sense since if we accidentally caused a quick mislynch without realizing it, we'd be down two people going into day 2 with very little information to go off of. If she were scum WITH Ciara (the person who was at L-2), then this seems like it would be a pretty forward defense and would get sniffed out pretty quickly if either one of them ended up flopping up scum. Then, what also struck me as town was in post 44. All of the questions that were asked were decent probing types of questions I thought. I personally didn't feel like there was really a lot of misguiding or suggestion in them.

My biggest concern for you is that you're almost too towny? I haven't really seen a lot wrong with the way you are playing, which ironically is almost concerning. Because of that, even though you are my biggest town read right now, don't sit to comfortably there cause I still have my eyes on you. For now though, I don't mind.

Questions for you: What do you feel about Cankles (The player, not the actual...disease? condition? weird fat storage thing?...)?

RadiantCowbells (RadCow):

At first I really liked your writing style cause I thought it was funny to read, but as more time has gone on I think I'm honestly just having a hard time getting in your head about what you are thinking because of it. Is this deliberate, or is this just how your talk on forums? I'm still a lot a bit confused by his whole "I have three townreads...jk I only had one townread...btw I'm totally town right guys?" Kind of posts (56, 67, and 85 in particular). I feel like saying you had three townreads, and then only saying you had one all along is just so stupidly scum that it can't possibly a

Of course I voted for the biggest wagon. I'm about to get lynched. I'm not sure how that makes me scum? A lynch has to happen in order for us to gain some sort of info. Go ahead and lynch me if you want, but you'll be losing a townie.

This post makes me think he's town actually.

ctually be scum. I know this is such terrible reasoning, but I feel like his posts are just not how a scum would act. I know when I've played before, scum would always try to be much slyer about things (which admittedly didn't always go so slyly for them), and this just doesn't seem like RadCow at all. That being said, I'm not ruling out the possibility of him being scum either. I think that with two scum it would make sense for one to be the talker and one to be the lurker. He could very well fit in that role. He posts without ever really saying much, and always seems to be leaving half his thoughts out. One thing I will say though is that his role DID get replaced out, and if it's someone new trying to play I feel like they would be more likely to stick around if they had a "fun" role like being mafia. Nothing really substantial, just something to keep in the back of your minds I guess.

Questions or you: Nothing in particular, but I would appreciate it if you could type up something like this where you go through each player. That might not be everyone's style and all, but even a few sentences all in one place would be nice. Unless...you're worried about tripping up and getting caught with something?

King Cankles (Cankles):

So far, one of my bigger contenders for scum spots. Let's see here...post 29 he suggests that we have a nolynch Day 1. How does this benefit literally anyone other than scum? If there's no lynch on Day 1, then it's entirely possible and probable that mafia would just kill off someone that was quiet/non provacative the first night and avoid pretty much all detection. It gives us pretty much no new information, and just set's us behind one person. Now, a mislynch on D1 would set us behind an extra person too, but at least we'd have some pretty valuable information to get out the deal. He lays dormant again until post 73 which is quite a ways down after getting prodded. He says that he doesn't have much to say since its only day 1. At least his story is consistent, but I find it fundamentally flawed to think that nothing important has transpired during the first day. Hiding from that fact and not taking an active position in figuring it out is either cowardly, or scummy at best.

After this, people finally start realizing just how little Cankles has really contributed to this, and I think that I really appeciate RadCow and Peri for point this out. Fykus went along with this little train too iirc, and what Cnakles said was just too little in terms of a justification. He still dodged a lot of questions, still really refused to take up much of an opinion about anything, and only promised to post more tomorrow (after he can consult his more experienced scum buddy for advice on what to say?... ). Too little too late, and if votes is what is going to have to get you to talk, then I would really really love to hear you sing. VOTE: Cankles. That's also L-1 for anybody playing along at home.

Question for you: Idk literally anything you feel like talking about by this point. Try really hard, there must be SOMETHING that's happened on day 1 that you have thought was interesting or suspicious. Do you even suspect anybody by this point? Even dropping some slight reads would be really nice.

WhaleBarnicle:

Scum. Plain and simple there really. In fact, VOTE: WhaleBarnicle.

PestoSwami (Salami):

I have a bit of a hard time reading this guy as well. I get that we are all new here and all, but it seems almost like he asks questions to meet his "posting quota" or something like that and also doesn't really tackle into any real situations. This could be someone new just really overwhelmed, or a scum feigning a dumb card. I'd see him as a potential lurker scum if that second one is the case, but obviously this is a bit more circumstantial than for Cankles who has admitted to playing this game in some form before (which is why I place my vote on Cankles and not Salami). I'd like to her more from you more.

Question for you: How did you hear about this website? What experience do you have with the game, and how can we trust you saying that? A general reads list would be nice too, just do not vote for Cankles right away without stating an intent to do so, I still want to hear if he comes up with anything good.

I'm starting to get tired of typing by this point so these may get a bit shorter/lazy over time. If you want more details, I can provide them upon request.

WhyMafia (?Maf):

My read on him is actually slight scum. He's been a bit more active than some of my other scum reads though, so I'd put him in that active mafia role a little bit more. Now that being said, active mafia I would still expect to stand a bit more off into the corner, but will pipe up every now and again to say something. The catch is in that something, and I feel like whenever they would say something, it would always be at an arms distance so as to not give out free ammunition that can be used against them later. Check back at ?Maf's posts, and I don't feel like very many of them are actually saying anything either. He either pushes off his opinions as "just theory" which gives him deniability, or says that his reads are the same as someone else's, which also provides room for doubt should something not turn his way in the future. He blames it on a scummy tone that he just naturally has, but even that is putting his bad behavior on something that is "outside of his realm of control". I see it as him just saying, "Sorry if I seem scummy guys, it's just who I am! Take it or leave it I guess..." This is my biggest scum read other than Cankles. If I could double vote for them both I would, but for now I'm not sure enough to really vote for him and the opportunity is perfect to place some pressure on my other big scum read.

Question for you: What do you think of me?

Fykus (Fykus, sorry you don't a cool nickname, your name is short enough already!):

I'm gonna be honest you're another offender of the whole post without saying anything important thing, but I like that you have a townread on Peri, I like that you see soemthing wrong with Cankles, and I like how you responded to being in L-1. Neutral to town from you, but I would really like to see more.

Question: What do you think of a ?Maf and Cankles team?

Cira24 (Cira) and MHSmith0 (MHS)

:

I'm putting you guys together because I have a general town read for you as it stands. I think a lot of that stuff at the beginning was mostly theatrics, and everything else was mostly town just looking for scum and coming up empty both ways. Cira has been a bit quiet as of late, but I think he said at some point it was IRL stuff getting in the way so that's fine as long as he makes up for it. Also, MHS has just been probing pretty well I think from what I can tell.

Questions for both of you: Analyze this post and tell me what you think.

Well I'm a all for continuing the game, but if Fykus is lynched and ends up being town, that's a heavy chance for my death on D2.

I've basically already signed my lynch warrant. Throughout the rest of the game, dead or alive, I've caused irreversible suspicion on myself.

Well everyone, read, think, read again, think, post, let's get this done.

Okay, hell of a paragraph - but I'll answer you to the best of my ability.

I heard about this website through a comment chain on reddit after watching Dota2 personalities play this game live on stream. I lurked for a few days and signed up because why not - forums are fun. No experience playing the game whatsoever - I don't know how I can prove that you can trust me on experience levels.

General Reads:

Persephone: Neutral, but could swing either way - I think that Per is being super helpful and moving the game state along but I don't have any strong town feelings - it seems little forced.
Cankles: Slight Maf, no strong opinions - Mostly because I think the whole pity party "oh i give up - you'll be losing a town" approach comes off a little fake. But Cankles could still just be getting into the swing of things for this game.
Fykus: Slight Maf - For the same reasons as cankles - It feels like they're trying to get out of pressure by just forcing you to misjudge. I get that it's early and we don't have a body of work to go on to get general behaviour.
WhyMaf: Townread for helping cankles and just general town feeling.
Whale Barnacles: Neutral - Don't know enough - kind of town maybe for moving the game along. (Also dude, I'm not thick - just a really long week for me.)
Cowbells - Nullread
Ciara - Nullread
Mhsmith - nullread

[PestoSwami]

Also, wow formatting - I was trying to quote things as proof and I messed up. Still working on it!

[mhsmith0]

Fykus, my recollection of your meta is that you tend to be aggressive and full of care as town. Why in particular have you been super blah so far this game?

[PestoSwami]

mhssmith - I'd like to know how you feel about my list and what you think of players who use the "i give up, i'm town lynch me" line of thinking.

[mhsmith0]

I feel like the "I give up" sort of bit is overalll NAI (not alignment indicative), and while it SHOULD never be something that town do, it unfortunately IS something that town can do (much like the primary example of "don't do this", self voting), so I consider it null, and at the very least reasonably consistent with his whole "I don't want to try" attitude.

Persephone is kind of an interesting read; what in partuclar looks forced about it to you?

Also, you say whymafia is a TR for being helpful and an overall town feeling. Why in particular do you think it's town indicative to be helpful? And what posts in partuclar give you a "town feeling"?

[mhsmith0]

I mean the one time I was town with you I played a fairly significant role in preventing House from powerlynching you, so I'm not sure why you'd feel that way.

I mean you've seen me as scum a whole bunch, and I've lynched you as scum, yes. Do you think that I'm scum this game?

Could you link that one RC?

[RadiantCowbells]

stfu noob

[mhsmith0]

?

[RadiantCowbells]

oh you weren't joking.

you were the mod. -grey- is house.

[mhsmith0]

Oh lol. For some reason I was thinking his main account. I suppose I should actually pay more attention to the games I mod

[Fykus]

Fykus, my recollection of your meta is that you tend to be aggressive and full of care as town. Why in particular have you been super blah so far this game?

Sorry I'm just getting warmed up. Once I get into the swing of things I'll be back to my old self.

[Fykus]

There are 8 days left in today's phase. We've got plenty of time.

@Everyone voting one of Fykus/King Cankles: if you think that you're voting scum, who is their partner?

Good question. I think that if cankles is scum then their partner is lying low and trying not to interact maybe. Perhaps that could explain the given up attitude that cankles has. They feel abandoned by their partner and have nowhere to turn.

[King Cankles]

lol I'm not trying to start a "pity party" I'm just telling you what the fuck is happening and you assume it to be something you else.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Prod dodge. I've been really busy with doctor's appointments and really tired. (I'm going to be fine, but that's all I'm willing to share.) I may or may not be able to post later tonight either. I will if I can. I will definitely post sometime tomorrow.

[fferyllt]

.aaand