Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[mhsmith0]

[mhsmith0]

By the way I about to go onaight do will be u available for a while

Even for my iPhone typing that was awful. Going on FLIGHT will be UNAVAILABLE for a while

[PersephoneSidekick]

Okay, I have some time and some energy now so I'm going to catch up on the thread now. Comments to follow.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also: @RC wrt WhyMafia:

Interesting. What in particular makes you think he's scum?

hi im rc

[PersephoneSidekick]

My case on Fykus as it currently stands:

Town reading me in 88 for a post where I scum read him, without addressing my actual complaints. It looks like appeasement to me.

Tunneling about Cankles seems like an attempt at an easy mislynch. Previous accusation of WhyMafia is similar, 60 and 62 especially. Also 43 shows lack of responsibility. The early stuff would not be very persuasive because they were barely out of RVS, but they suggest a pattern with the Cankles stuff.

As for potential scumpartners: Somewhat suspicious of Ciara for 174, not really a scummy post in itself but it frames the Fykus wagon as being primarily about WhyMafia and directs attention away from the better argument about Cankles. It's kind of a stealth defense of Fykus. Otherwise probably RC or Pesto for halfhearted attacks. If I didn't townread Whale so hard I might consider him too.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1.11

Another victim of the multi-yeard drought in California is my back yard fig tree. The jury is out this year on whether it will make a comeback. I pruned it way back last fall, and it continued to look like an extremely dead tree until mid-May. Now it looks like a mostly dead tree. There are a few tiny branch-sprouts poking out of the dead looking trunks. I guess I'll know next spring if the tree is going to pull through. This picture is pretty close to how my fig tree looked before the drought.

King Cankles

(3): Ciara24, Fykus, WhaleBarnicle

Fykus

(2): PersephoneSidekick, King Cankles

WhyMafia

(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting

(3): mhsmith0, WhyMafia, PestoSwami

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: July 6, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-07-05 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- Activity - PestoSwami has been prodded.
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[PersephoneSidekick]

Okay, so I really think Cankles is town. Mostly this is because the tone of his despair suggests indignation to me, a feeling that all this negative attention is "undeserved." I don't expect this to be terribly convincing to anybody else but assuming for the same of argument that Cankles is town, what can we learn from his wagon.

Ciara: Voted in RVS page one (5) and never removed. She doesn't even really talk about why much. This is either lazy or suspicious, not sure which.

RadiantCowbells: Votes for basically lurking on 81 and asks for more votes in 87. Doesn't respond to requests for justification or to the main argument about Cankles once it breaks out. Removes vote at height of that argument, again without much explanation. If Cankles actually is mafia I think he is his partner. It's like "distancing, distancing, whoa that's too much distancing!" Otherwise I'm mostly confused. I'm not sure the town or scum motivation for that pattern. As town maybe just not explaining himself clearly. If scum then backdown is to look good when the lynch starts to seem unlikely again? Or too likely? Yeah I'm confused.

Fykus: Votes immediately on RC's request. Starts pushing very hard after Cankles starts acting anti-town and puts him at L-1. First part looks like a responsibility dodge; second part looks like opportunism. Yeah, still scummy.

WhaleBarnacle: Votes as part of 143 analysis, putting him at L-1 for a while. I disagree with the analysis but the post itself looks like earnest and ambitious scumhunting.

Ciara, can you tell me why you're still voting for Cankles? RadiantCowbells, can you tell me why you stopped?

[RadiantCowbells]

am town

[PersephoneSidekick]

I'd like to hear everybody's opinions on mh's recent burst of posts trying to revive the game. This whole game mh's tone has been very teachy as IC and he's been super helpful in that capacity. He's given a lot of pep talks. But that's different than driving the game and could make good cover for not doing so. None of his posts actually seem that scummy to me though. But like, if he's town, why is this day so slow? I feel like he could make more happen if he was actually trying to. If he is scum then 248 is a really epic example of WIFOM.

I really really want mh to be town so I can work with him more closely to push things forward. I think he probably is town and just not omnipotent at making progress despite all his experience, especially not in the face of a very obstructive player like Cankles. I just don't like the "probably" because mh as scum could be very very dangerous with the current social dynamic.

Mh, why do

you

think the game is so slow right now, and do

you

think it's a problem?

[PersephoneSidekick]

am town

??

[RadiantCowbells]

I IS TOWN U STOP THAT.

[WhyMafia]

I IS TOWN U STOP THAT.

Please stop avoiding questions and wasting time on an already slow moving game

[RadiantCowbells]

>:[

[RadiantCowbells]

me twon just ask titus

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus: hi am Titus. awkward stuff and something about lawyer and disliking the godfather. RC twon.

ok confirmed

[King Cankles]

I heard about a role called the "Town jester" once. The Jester's goal is to get lynched by the town, I think on D1. If that happens, Jester wins.

RadiantCowbells reminds me of that role lol.

@Persephone I'm glad you're actually using some sense and trying to use my wagon to learn about the players who voted for me. I would also like an explanation from Ciara for why the vote was never taken off of me. Maybe she's scum and her "troll vote" on me was meant to get a response from me? Knowing I was a new player thinking I'd respond sloppily (I did) and make the town think I was scum (I also did that) so that her casual vote would serve as the starting point in my lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

don't you ever talk to me or my son ever again

[Fykus]

Re: MH, to me it kind of feels like hes possibly "hiding in plain sight". Hes asking a lot of questions and trying to move the game forward but he doesn't seem like hes actually scum hunting or anything like that, more just trying to get other people to make arguments/posts about whos scum. Maybe its just his way of doing things as the IC or maybe thats his scum game, who knows. Though someone of his caliber would probably be indistinguishable from town as scum (much like RC usually is). The thing thats giving me the shits though is cankles' apparent lack of motivation to defend themselves. This whole "woe is me" schtick is getting old fast. The clock is ticking and we're no closer to a lynch because the current highest vote wagon is refusing to participate in any meaningful way. Sure it might be one of their first games, but I remember back in my first game where I was scum read from day 1 I kept fighting and fighting and fighting about it. Ask RC about it, I'm pretty sure he was there. (The one with grey im pretty sure it was).

As for me not doing much MH, like I've said "im spread pretty thin" atm (I cant elaborate on that any more for fear of breaking the rules). Yeah I'm relieved I'm not scum here but its still a pain in my ass to get scum read all the damn time. If you take a look at my scum games you'll see I take a more of a sit back and wait kind of approach because I'm horrible at making fake cases. As town I feel like I can actually do stuff and keep a look out for scum. To me the difference is night and day but I'm probably biased because I know what to look for.

Also persephone I'll take a look at your questions that I apparently ignored and answer them soon.

[RadiantCowbells]

fykus why don't you call me God-Emperor RC and sheep my WhyMafia vote.

[Fykus]

Last time I voted wm people went bananas and called me scum. Whats your case on wm?

[RadiantCowbells]

my case on WM is that God-Emperor Radiantcowbells has decreed that the slot is a scumbutt slot

[WhaleBarnicle]

unvote: Cankles

I'll provide justification later, little bit not sober right now but it's ok cause I thought about this when I was sober. I agree with Peri when they said that the resigned tone sounded more town than anything else. L-1 was a good talking point for a bit, but I think it sorta died out by now.

See you tomorrow? Yeah, that sounds good.

[mhsmith0]

FYI my flight just landed and I'm about to meet family. Will try and check in tomorrow.

[fferyllt]

Searching for a replacement for PestoSwami. If he posts before I find a replacement he can stay in the game.

[King Cankles]

Re: MH, to me it kind of feels like hes possibly "hiding in plain sight". Hes asking a lot of questions and trying to move the game forward but he doesn't seem like hes actually scum hunting or anything like that, more just trying to get other people to make arguments/posts about whos scum. Maybe its just his way of doing things as the IC or maybe thats his scum game, who knows. Though someone of his caliber would probably be indistinguishable from town as scum (much like RC usually is). The thing thats giving me the shits though is cankles' apparent lack of motivation to defend themselves. This whole "woe is me" schtick is getting old fast. The clock is ticking and we're no closer to a lynch because the current highest vote wagon is refusing to participate in any meaningful way. Sure it might be one of their first games, but I remember back in my first game where I was scum read from day 1 I kept fighting and fighting and fighting about it. Ask RC about it, I'm pretty sure he was there. (The one with grey im pretty sure it was).

As for me not doing much MH, like I've said "im spread pretty thin" atm (I cant elaborate on that any more for fear of breaking the rules). Yeah I'm relieved I'm not scum here but its still a pain in my ass to get scum read all the damn time. If you take a look at my scum games you'll see I take a more of a sit back and wait kind of approach because I'm horrible at making fake cases. As town I feel like I can actually do stuff and keep a look out for scum. To me the difference is night and day but I'm probably biased because I know what to look for.

Also persephone I'll take a look at your questions that I apparently ignored and answer them soon.

Congrats, want a cookie?

And I'm still not sure where you're getting the "woe is me" bullshit from. Like I said, I'm just telling you how it is. And you're taking it as some complex Da Vinci secret code for something else. And if you would have just scrolled up a touch, you would have seen that I'm not "refusing to participate", I'm pretty sure I've answered any questions directed at me. If not, please bring them forth. Im just waiting to get past this guessing game.