Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1.12

Thai cuisine is one of my favorites, and I hope to plant a kaffir lime tree next year so that I always have access to kaffir lime leaves. The leaves look almost doubled end-to-end and the limes these trees produce are nubby looking compared to western limes. Kaffir lime leaves are part of the melange of spices and ingredients that go into Thai curry paste, and they are also thrown right in to simmer in many recipes. Thay add a paradoxically creamy-citrusy note that I love.

King Cankles

(2): Ciara24, Fykus

Fykus

(2): PersephoneSidekick, King Cankles

WhyMafia

(1): RadiantCowbells

Not Voting

(4): mhsmith0, WhaleBarnicle, WhyMafia, PestoSwami

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: July 6, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-07-05 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- Activity - PestoSwami has been prodded.
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[WhyMafia]

VOTE: RC

[RadiantCowbells]

don't omgus me

[mhsmith0]

No real time for this tonight. Cankles indignation at being aacccused of "woe is me" reads a bit villagery. Really curious why RC thinks WM is scum, tho I'm GUESSING it's at least partially a POE thing.

Peedit: but omgus is fun

[Fykus]

VOTE: wm

lets make him cranky

[fferyllt]

I'm traveling for the next couple of days. Cabd is going to back-up mod this game until Monday night. See you then!

[Cabd]

I'm traveling for the next couple of days. Cabd is going to back-up mod this game until Monday night. See you then!

This is me confirming that. And posting so you all know what my avatar and posts look like. Have a good trip!

[WhyMafia]

don't omgus me

You're just dilly dallying and not progressing the game
State your case

[Ciara24]

Prod dodge. I promise I'll be here tomorrow when I finish work, and then I'm off for 3 whole days so definitely more activity, I promise

[Cabd]

Miles Edgeworth replaces PestoSwami effective immediately.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Okay, I get that weekends are pretty slow around here, but this is kind of extreme. We're running out of time, but I'm not sure what else to do until we hear from the people who've been quiet. And maybe Miles will have something to add on read through? But like, we have

three days

, which is not much at the pace of this game, especially since there's a major American holiday on one of them. We can't count on just picking somebody on the last day because what if they claim and we have to start over?

[RadiantCowbells]

I really think that whymafia is scum and I would appreciate more votes there.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Hey y'all.

Apparently, a few years ago, I played here before, using my current email address to register. This account was flagged as an alt, so please forgive my delayed introduction.

I briefly read up on this game when I saw it advertised in the Newbie Queue. My findings from that aren't alignment-indicative, but I was reading the game anticipating I would replace into a bored vanilla town slot (as my past experience has shown that replace-outs in newbie mafia games tend to be players without special roles or abilities who discover they don't actually enjoy the main educated guessing game).

I only made it through about three pages, but in that time, I noticed these things. My apologies if the material covered here is outdated -- I will try to finish catching up by the end of the evening.

[*] Fykus's reasoning for voting for WhyMafia didn't sit well with me. In post #26 he passes it off as the vote being "his shtick." This isn't a good reason in and of itself, but it's acceptable in this context because it's still during the early stage of the game when people are doing whatever they want to stir up conversation; but once the conversation begins to shift out of the "RVS" stage, Fykus finds a reason to stay on WhyMafia that doesn't logically follow. He disagrees with WhyMafia's contention in post #36 that the RVS stage favors mafia, and says, specifically:

I always thought that scum hated RVS because its hard for them to "act" RVS'y or something along those lines.

You just

get more suss

by the minute WM.

I've got my eyes on you.

Emphases mine. "Get more suss" means "get more suspicious," and implies that Fykus already found WhyMafia suspicious. In other words, Fykus is trying to pass off his initial "RVS" style vote on WM as a serious suspicion.
Furthermore, the reasoning Fykus supplies in voting for WM doesn't prove his premise. A person's belief on whether a certain stage of the game favors town or mafia isn't indicative of anything about that person's alignment in a particular game. It's not clear from context whether there's a consensus on this site about whether or not the claim "RVS favors town" or "RVS favors scum" is the correct claim, but it doesn't matter: the worst this can mean for WM is that his belief is

incorrect

. This does

not

make him suspicious in and of itself.

Fykus: Why did you really vote WhyMafia in post #26? ("shtick") Why do you claim that WM "got more suspicious" in post #36?

[*] I liked RadiantCowbells's post #58 entering into the thread, and I liked PersephoneSidekick's post #69. Both were strong entries that showed clarity of thought and touched on what I perceived to be the more important events that had occurred in the thread to that point, and notably both players were not skittish about challenging our IC's play. All three of those factors left me with a favorable impression of both players.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you liked that post you're gonna love me.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Your reference to the God-Emperor tells me we'll get along just fine.

Since you're here RC, I want to talk to you about your suspicion of WhyMafia, because the progression of events around your post #91, when you first expressed suspicion of Fykus, leads me to think that:
- Fykus may be scum
- Fykus and WhyMafia aren't on the same team

Which then makes me fail to understand your suspicion of WhyMafia (which, in fairness, isn't exactly well-explained in your ISO).

Fykus made his early comments about WhyMafia (which I mentioned a minute ago) and parked his vote on WM for a bit. He moved to King Cankles fairly abruptly right before you said you suspected him. I'm assuming that abrupt move was the reason you suspected him? (If it's not, why did you suspect him?)
It strikes me that this sequence does make Fykus suspicious, since he doesn't seem to care about his allegedly serious WM vote very much, but in a way that makes WhyMafia an unlikely partner. I don't see why Fykus would choose to park on a partner during the random voting stage when he could have gone anywhere else. It makes life more difficult for him if, for whatever reason, WM becomes a lead wagon.

I'll concede I'm missing some relevant thread information, and your suspicion of WM comes up after the point where I stopped reading, but from the sequence I

did

get to read, it seems like Fykus, not WM, is the suspicious party from that interaction. What am I missing?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't necessarily agree that they wouldn't be aligned.

Tbh right now I think that Fykus/Whymafia are scum together but I'm slightly more confident in Whymafia scum.

[Miles Edgeworth]

I see. Care to fill me in on why WhyMafia is mafia?

[RadiantCowbells]

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah but I just wanted to rc all over the place.

Fine. I'll do it. Give me half an hour first.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Sure, sounds good to me.

Maybe while we have a half hour, you could go over why you disagree that Fykus and WhyMafia aren't aligned together. It's my premise that Fykus's behavior around WM is contrary to what we would expect one scum player to do with another scum player. Do you simply disagree with that premise, or are you making the stronger claim that their behavior indicates they

are

aligned together?

[RadiantCowbells]

I disagree with the premise!

[RadiantCowbells]

I would like to start by expressing my wist for the good old days where I could sit here calling someone scum and they would end up dead reasonably quickly.

[Miles Edgeworth]

This wait on RC is giving me a fever. And the only prescription is...







...sleep.

Probably not gonna be back for ~16 hours.

I'll park on Fykus's yard until he gets back to me about his WhyMafia stuff. If he gets himself hammered in the interim that's on him.

VOTE: Fykus

[Fykus]

goodnight miles <3

[Fykus]

PersephoneSidekick
WhaleBarnicle
Miles

Cira24
RadiantCowbells
mhsmith0

WhyMafia
King Cankles

here you go, have an unordered read lis. please note rc and mhsmith0 are null because they're experienced and thus harder to read. though rc is probably a town lean atm

[Fykus]

also the whole thing re: whymafia,

My initial vote was cause me voting wm seems to be a common theme in games lately. The "you get more suss by the minute" comment was more to just shit stir him and get a reaction out of it cause hes funny when hes angry. My vote on him now is partial suspicion and partial sheeping RCs expert opinion.