Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1.13

I'm planting a few guara plants as a sort of "room divider" in my big bark garden this week.

Fykus

(3): PersephoneSidekick, King Cankles, Miles Edgeworth

WhyMafia

(2): RadiantCowbells, Fykus

King Cankles

(1): Ciara24

RadiantCowbells

(1): WhyMafia

Not Voting

(2): mhsmith0, WhaleBarnicle

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: July 6, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-07-05 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- Activity - WhaleBarnicle has been prodded.
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[mhsmith0]

I'm pretty wiped but since I'm the ic and since we're near deadline I'll push out a couple thoughts and then try doing more tomroow night when hopefully I'm not a total slug (and will 100% be around at deadline wed. evening)

[mhsmith0]

Miles is doing stuff which on lazy glance seems ok. Not a newbie but it sounds like he's not super experienced and/or may not have played much lately, so the simple fact that he's doing stuff is a plus unless there's something off about it which wasn't obvious on skim but again I'll look closer when I am not a slug.

[mhsmith0]

Part of what I'm saying is that Fykus's voting pattern is already suspicious and it involved a quick switch away from WM. I think it's just an opportunistic switch between two different townies, but if RC has evidence against WM, I'm not comfortable using his association with Fykus as a disproof. I really wish mh or somebody would tell me if RC is as good as he thinks he is.

RC is an above average town player and a fantastic scum player. I haven't hated RC stuff especially... on a theory basis I could see him as a fykus buddy, except his efforts to save that slot have been fairly ineffective, so that's a ridiculously weak connection.

As a general rule, it's wise to be wary of RC but he's still town much more often than not. I'd also note that his talk about people just blind sheeping him is essentially the same kind of non substantive engagement with his slot that also gets him paranoia lynched in games, so that kind of attitude, even if convenient in one case, is really shitty to deal with in the other case, so I guess that all in all he'd prefer people to critically engage with him even if it's sometimes inconvenient? Probably a better question for him, tho I'd still say it's not all bad.

Ps barring a better idea I'd probably just vote fykus pre deadline, but it'd be nice to have a better idea than what boils down to "holy shit this guy is doing nothing all game when I expect town!him to be doing stuff"

[mhsmith0]

There's also more I should respond to but I really am wiped and just don't have the energy for it tonight

[Fykus]

VOTE: cankles

[Fykus]

No need for prod. I'm actively watching. Just confused as hell.

[King Cankles]

^ you have an issue with me being confused?

[WhaleBarnicle]

Christ it's been a bit. Sorry for the delay, flights + time zone differences + packing + visiting a new city = getting a lot a bit behind. I'm here, and I've tried to read as critically as I can tonight. Tomorrow I'm going to reread and post my second time thoughts (hopefully!). With that in mind, understand that some of what I say here may shift somewhat when I read through it again, but I'm just going to check my notes/rant/type what I think of for now.

First of @Salami is reading this, sorry for being cautious of you! It's a vetting process. Hope I didn't ruin mafia for you or anything Anywho, I think that the Salami/Miles slot is pretty town all things considered. I think that having been replaced out, Salami's lack of understanding of game mechanics really was due to a lack of understanding, and they did provide some interesting thoughts whenever they posted. Namely in post 185: his way of finding mafia seemed honest and too detailed to be a fake story (more details = more chance for people seeing through it, so people who lie try and make it vague). In addition to this, he has a healthy skepticism of Peri, something that I voiced in my own post. Also goes on to say that the Cankles thing seems forced. I don't

totally

agree with this, but he's on the same train of thought as mine. These were the two biggest things that seemed town, but the Miles replacement has been pretty active in talking. I haven't read their posts super critically yet, but I think that they do seem town so far.

Second off, I don't know why (or if?) people were giving MHS crap for being scum. Him and Peri have been two of my pretty consistent town reads along this way. If MHS is playing scum, then he's doing a pretty fantastic job so far and I don't think we're going to be able to sniff it out until we get more information after tonight and maybe even tomorrow night (which hopefully we won't even need to get to...right guys?....). Peri, you're still town for me. Sorry you don't get much of an analysis this time around lol

Fykus is town though guys. I don't have any really good proof of this maybe, but I certainly don't have much to go off of saying that he's scum. Really, the only thing I have to think of is that, like Peri said about someone else and their own post, he may have been trying to get on my good side after my wall of a post last time I really contributed. Appeasement? Maybe, but doubtful. A lot of people said I seemed town after that, and any number of them could be scum, so I can't in good conscious suspect Fykus any more than someone else for that (and that goes for you too Peri with respect to whoever you made the appeasement case on). I'll definitely be more interested in Fykus if my initial guess(es) are wrong, but for now I don't feel confident enough to put any votes on him.

I'm still scum, so here's the VOTE: WhaleBarnicle to move the game in the one true direction.

RadCow I think is also town, but I really had a bit of a hard time saying this. Call it a "gut feeling" ( ), but I really didn't like his posts for a while. All in all, I think it's just because he has a pretty radically different play style than what I would do myself. It sets me off because I just wonder why the hell anyone would actually post like that. I don't doubt that he really is thinking about all of this behind the scenes, and I don't doubt that he may have a pretty good idea about who is scum.

Ciara....please have a good reason why you aren't posting. Literally every post you have made you've explained that you've been too busy to post. I want to believe that, hell I really haven't added a ton ton to the game myself because life happens and shit comes up, but please post more. I feel like I know next to NOTHING about your opinions, and I'm afraid that its going to come too little too late. If nothing comes by deadline, I'm putting a vote on you at the start of D2 for pressure (most likely). I still think you're town based off of the interaction you had with MHS at the beginning of the game. It's not a lot to go off of so this is a pretty weak read, but I feel like that entire thing was two town players really just testing out the waters with each other, sort of like how armies will have small fire fights that will happen intermittently until the big battle actually starts. The only difference is that I think you two are on the same side (well, hopefully, otherwise I'm going to look like an idiot by now).

MHS is town too I think. He's been trying to move the game along a lot, and I don't feel like any of it has been particularly forced. Natural scum hunting is good scum hunting, and I'd be pretty damn surprised if he were scum.

And to be honest, I'm still sitting by my two scum reads from my last post. Cankles and ?Maf.

Cankles...lord I hope you realize I'm not attacking you but instead your play style here. It's inconsistently detached. You said in post 73 that things are pretty slow on D1. By my count, we left RVS somewhere between posts 56-67. There were things you could have talked about. Then, in post 100 you said that this is the second game of mafia you've ever played, the first on this server. This implies that you've played 1 on a separate server were no lynches are more common on D1, and then began to play on this server. Now, I have no way of proving that you didn't read a substantial number of games on the other server before you played/moved over to this one, but it seems inconsistent with what you say in post 104. You say there that D1 is

almost always

a NL...wouldn't saying almost always imply far more experience than just one game's worth of playing? Then you go on to say "(on the forums I play on)". Anyone else catch it? "(on the forum

s

I play on)". ..........So how many other games of mafia have you played? How much experience do you have with this game again? I'm sorry, but this just isn't adding up. Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but hey, that's all any of us are doing up to this point anyway apparently so I may as well join along.

But wait, there's more: post 124. "A lynch needs to happen in order for us to gain some sort of info." So, do you want a lynch day one or not? I'm sorry, but none of this is adding up. Potentially small grammar mistakes aside, this comment blatantly goes against the entire premise of what you've been going off of and still stick to up to this point. And then....even after quite a substantial bit of content, still nothing substantial from you. I don't care if your old server(s?) did no lynches on D1, when in Rome (or on the Road to Rome) do as the Romans do. Please, before the day is out?

I don't want to think you're scum. I don't really want to think any of you are scum, but you realize why considering all of these things just raises so many potential red flags? Even if you don't want to express your opinions today for fear of getting killed in the night, can you at least give me a sign that I'm not crazy for being suspicious here? (And before anybody quotes the post where I said that Cankles was town, I'd like to point out that I was drunk at the time. I saw that Peri was giving him some slack as just being a misunderstood less than active player. I'm a simple guy, I see Peri post something, I like to think it's true. I trust them well enough to go with that thought process in the moment. I'm nonetheless still suspicious of Cankles being scum). The worst part of it all: Despite having more of a case on you than anyone else, a huge part of me still doesn't think you're scum though. Something else is missing from this picture, and I feel bad not being able to pinpoint it. If you are town, I'm sorry and I wouldn't necessarily be surprised, but if you flop scum I think I wouldn't be surprised less, you feel?

For ?Maf, I have less to rant about (Again, Cankles I really hope you don't fundamentally hate me after that), but I still think that he's my next best read for scum. I still feel like too many of his posts at the beginning were too aloof from responsibility, and there were a couple of moments since then that have made me raise an eyebrow. I'm not a fan of him mentioning so many times that we should try to BP strat. I'm no expert, and to be honest I'm not entirely sure how that situation would even play out fully, but I just feel like this is...early...to go and start role claiming. Gives mafia more info than they need going into the nighttime at this point. You're telling me they wouldn't like a little bit of a more sure fire shot? The only problem I have with this then is that it really does seem obvious for ?Maf scum to go pushing so hard for a role claim this early on. Another problem I have with this is that the ?Maf + Cankles interactions do not point AT ALL to them being scum together. They're mostly one sided going from ?Maf --> Cankles, but it'd be a stretch to make any sort of case off of those posts. That being said, maybe ?Maf is just that good. Maybe I'm right about one of them, and wrong about the other. Maybe I'm wrong about both! Statistically, I probably am!

Someone has to be scum though, and I know it's not me. I'm fairly certain it's not Peri, MHS. RadCow and Fykus seem less likely than Ciara and Miles, and ?Maf and Cankles seem most likely. Tonight is probably gonna be a mislynch (if there is one by this point), that's just an unfortunate truth, but I'm going to be VERY interested in thinking this all over tomorrow once we know who died. That being said, if I were smart mafia, I'd definitely have my eyes out on a few people for targets tonight. RadCow and Fykus are too controversial to kill. Even if they were on the right leads for people, they're wild enough to be able to try and make a case out of them. They're strong players for sure, but this early it might be obvious to get rid of them. Cankles would be a good target to kill. He's been quiet, and hasn't added much. But, assuming he's town for a moment (which he still might be), he's also a really good potential scapegoat, so I don't see them going after him either. Ciara has been awfully quiet too, so I'm not sure what to make of that as a potential target tonight. As of now, it could be, it could not be. Depends on their mood I guess? Miles is too new to really know, and I think that they might keep him alive just to see if they can't get him on their side being a little bit of a later replacement and being more easily to convince because of that maybe if that's actually a thing??? I think Peri and I are both good targets though. Practically everyone had either a null or town read on us, and the kill could equally come from any one of us. I think Peri is the more likely target due to being more active. Though, now that I said that, who knows.

Hell, now that I've said any of this who knows. If Peri doesn't die tonight, am I going to assume it's because they're actually part of the scum team, or because I think the scum team isn't killing them because I said it was obvious? Maybe they didn't kill them exactly so I WOULD start thinking that. Maybe I'm part of the reason why Cankles IS such a good scapegoat. Who knows, this game isn't easy and I think that for a Day 1 we didn't end up doing too bad in terms of getting activity going to look back on tomorrow. I don't have a ton of games to reference to see if this is normal sure, but it'll be better than nothing once we know 2 people's alignments after the night kill too.

For now, all I can really do is just vote where I have the most suspicion, and right now that means VOTE: Cankles. I think we missed our opportunity taking them off of L-1 so soon, and that's something to look at (in terms of who broke the pressure so soon). This close to deadline, I don't think that any significant pressure is going to be mounted on them, and I doubt they are going to come forth and open the flood gates just because I asked them too, but it's where I feel the most confident on, even if that's still shaky as hell.

I'm going to bed. I'm also going to be bored waiting for fireworks for most of tomorrow, so I'll be sure to have my phone charged and checking frequently. I'll reread the best I can, especially the more recent posts and probably post more tomorrow (shorter posts I promise! )

Barnicle out (I don't know how to end these things ever).

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would I want my scumreads not to get lynched?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well at any rate I don't know how to push Whymafia this game. I think he's gonna flip scum. I can't do much more right now.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Whale, as I understand it your argument for scum!Cankles is primarily about inconsistencies, right? The first part of your essay seems to be accusations of lying about his other server mafia experience in order to win a theory argument. So you're basically saying that he started advocating no-lynch in bad faith and made up stuff about other servers to cover for himself? I'm not quite seeing this. Can you tell a more detailed story about what scum!Cankles would be thinking when telling these lies?

As for the part about post 124, I think you're taking it out of context. It comes right on the heels of 105, which is an even more anti-town post, but together they fit a theme of giving in to social pressure. The "inconsistency" exists because Cankles saw the rest of town screaming at him to change his playstyle and he overcompensated and simplistically parroted that advice. It was a surrender not a slip.

About Fykus, it's not just or primarily about the appeasement. Please look at his voting pattern again and tell me it doesn't look opportunistic. He switches whenever there's blood in the water.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Question for team Cankles in general: why is he so much more suspicious than Ciara? Is scum more likely to be loudly belligerently unhelpful or quietly unhelpful? I ask this because I would totally compromise on lynching her if you won't budge about Fykus. I think she's his most likely partner anyway.

I don't know. Maybe there's no time for this and it's Fykus or Cankles or nobody at this point because there's no time to coordinate? If so, that's kind of depressing.

[fferyllt]

Ciara24 has been prodded.

[PersephoneSidekick]

Bleh, I have to go to bed now. I should be able to check in sometime tomorrow afternoon and stay on till the deadline. I hope that's enough.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whymafia isn't getting lynched.
VOTE: Fykus
Second best imo. L-1.

[Fykus]

What about cankles

[RadiantCowbells]

Worse wagon than you imo. sorry.

[Fykus]

Whyd you have to be scum this game

[King Cankles]

Christ it's been a bit. Sorry for the delay, flights + time zone differences + packing + visiting a new city = getting a lot a bit behind. I'm here, and I've tried to read as critically as I can tonight. Tomorrow I'm going to reread and post my second time thoughts (hopefully!). With that in mind, understand that some of what I say here may shift somewhat when I read through it again, but I'm just going to check my notes/rant/type what I think of for now.

First of @Salami is reading this, sorry for being cautious of you! It's a vetting process. Hope I didn't ruin mafia for you or anything Anywho, I think that the Salami/Miles slot is pretty town all things considered. I think that having been replaced out, Salami's lack of understanding of game mechanics really was due to a lack of understanding, and they did provide some interesting thoughts whenever they posted. Namely in post 185: his way of finding mafia seemed honest and too detailed to be a fake story (more details = more chance for people seeing through it, so people who lie try and make it vague). In addition to this, he has a healthy skepticism of Peri, something that I voiced in my own post. Also goes on to say that the Cankles thing seems forced. I don't

totally

agree with this, but he's on the same train of thought as mine. These were the two biggest things that seemed town, but the Miles replacement has been pretty active in talking. I haven't read their posts super critically yet, but I think that they do seem town so far.

Second off, I don't know why (or if?) people were giving MHS crap for being scum. Him and Peri have been two of my pretty consistent town reads along this way. If MHS is playing scum, then he's doing a pretty fantastic job so far and I don't think we're going to be able to sniff it out until we get more information after tonight and maybe even tomorrow night (which hopefully we won't even need to get to...right guys?....). Peri, you're still town for me. Sorry you don't get much of an analysis this time around lol

Fykus is town though guys. I don't have any really good proof of this maybe, but I certainly don't have much to go off of saying that he's scum. Really, the only thing I have to think of is that, like Peri said about someone else and their own post, he may have been trying to get on my good side after my wall of a post last time I really contributed. Appeasement? Maybe, but doubtful. A lot of people said I seemed town after that, and any number of them could be scum, so I can't in good conscious suspect Fykus any more than someone else for that (and that goes for you too Peri with respect to whoever you made the appeasement case on). I'll definitely be more interested in Fykus if my initial guess(es) are wrong, but for now I don't feel confident enough to put any votes on him.

I'm still scum, so here's the VOTE: WhaleBarnicle to move the game in the one true direction.

RadCow I think is also town, but I really had a bit of a hard time saying this. Call it a "gut feeling" ( ), but I really didn't like his posts for a while. All in all, I think it's just because he has a pretty radically different play style than what I would do myself. It sets me off because I just wonder why the hell anyone would actually post like that. I don't doubt that he really is thinking about all of this behind the scenes, and I don't doubt that he may have a pretty good idea about who is scum.

Ciara....please have a good reason why you aren't posting. Literally every post you have made you've explained that you've been too busy to post. I want to believe that, hell I really haven't added a ton ton to the game myself because life happens and shit comes up, but please post more. I feel like I know next to NOTHING about your opinions, and I'm afraid that its going to come too little too late. If nothing comes by deadline, I'm putting a vote on you at the start of D2 for pressure (most likely). I still think you're town based off of the interaction you had with MHS at the beginning of the game. It's not a lot to go off of so this is a pretty weak read, but I feel like that entire thing was two town players really just testing out the waters with each other, sort of like how armies will have small fire fights that will happen intermittently until the big battle actually starts. The only difference is that I think you two are on the same side (well, hopefully, otherwise I'm going to look like an idiot by now).

MHS is town too I think. He's been trying to move the game along a lot, and I don't feel like any of it has been particularly forced. Natural scum hunting is good scum hunting, and I'd be pretty damn surprised if he were scum.

And to be honest, I'm still sitting by my two scum reads from my last post. Cankles and ?Maf.

Cankles...lord I hope you realize I'm not attacking you but instead your play style here. It's inconsistently detached. You said in post 73 that things are pretty slow on D1. By my count, we left RVS somewhere between posts 56-67. There were things you could have talked about. Then, in post 100 you said that this is the second game of mafia you've ever played, the first on this server. This implies that you've played 1 on a separate server were no lynches are more common on D1, and then began to play on this server. Now, I have no way of proving that you didn't read a substantial number of games on the other server before you played/moved over to this one, but it seems inconsistent with what you say in post 104. You say there that D1 is

almost always

a NL...wouldn't saying almost always imply far more experience than just one game's worth of playing? Then you go on to say "(on the forums I play on)". Anyone else catch it? "(on the forum

s

I play on)". ..........So how many other games of mafia have you played? How much experience do you have with this game again? I'm sorry, but this just isn't adding up. Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but hey, that's all any of us are doing up to this point anyway apparently so I may as well join along.

But wait, there's more: post 124. "A lynch needs to happen in order for us to gain some sort of info." So, do you want a lynch day one or not? I'm sorry, but none of this is adding up. Potentially small grammar mistakes aside, this comment blatantly goes against the entire premise of what you've been going off of and still stick to up to this point. And then....even after quite a substantial bit of content, still nothing substantial from you. I don't care if your old server(s?) did no lynches on D1, when in Rome (or on the Road to Rome) do as the Romans do. Please, before the day is out?

I don't want to think you're scum. I don't really want to think any of you are scum, but you realize why considering all of these things just raises so many potential red flags? Even if you don't want to express your opinions today for fear of getting killed in the night, can you at least give me a sign that I'm not crazy for being suspicious here? (And before anybody quotes the post where I said that Cankles was town, I'd like to point out that I was drunk at the time. I saw that Peri was giving him some slack as just being a misunderstood less than active player. I'm a simple guy, I see Peri post something, I like to think it's true. I trust them well enough to go with that thought process in the moment. I'm nonetheless still suspicious of Cankles being scum). The worst part of it all: Despite having more of a case on you than anyone else, a huge part of me still doesn't think you're scum though. Something else is missing from this picture, and I feel bad not being able to pinpoint it. If you are town, I'm sorry and I wouldn't necessarily be surprised, but if you flop scum I think I wouldn't be surprised less, you feel?

For ?Maf, I have less to rant about (Again, Cankles I really hope you don't fundamentally hate me after that), but I still think that he's my next best read for scum. I still feel like too many of his posts at the beginning were too aloof from responsibility, and there were a couple of moments since then that have made me raise an eyebrow. I'm not a fan of him mentioning so many times that we should try to BP strat. I'm no expert, and to be honest I'm not entirely sure how that situation would even play out fully, but I just feel like this is...early...to go and start role claiming. Gives mafia more info than they need going into the nighttime at this point. You're telling me they wouldn't like a little bit of a more sure fire shot? The only problem I have with this then is that it really does seem obvious for ?Maf scum to go pushing so hard for a role claim this early on. Another problem I have with this is that the ?Maf + Cankles interactions do not point AT ALL to them being scum together. They're mostly one sided going from ?Maf --> Cankles, but it'd be a stretch to make any sort of case off of those posts. That being said, maybe ?Maf is just that good. Maybe I'm right about one of them, and wrong about the other. Maybe I'm wrong about both! Statistically, I probably am!

Someone has to be scum though, and I know it's not me. I'm fairly certain it's not Peri, MHS. RadCow and Fykus seem less likely than Ciara and Miles, and ?Maf and Cankles seem most likely. Tonight is probably gonna be a mislynch (if there is one by this point), that's just an unfortunate truth, but I'm going to be VERY interested in thinking this all over tomorrow once we know who died. That being said, if I were smart mafia, I'd definitely have my eyes out on a few people for targets tonight. RadCow and Fykus are too controversial to kill. Even if they were on the right leads for people, they're wild enough to be able to try and make a case out of them. They're strong players for sure, but this early it might be obvious to get rid of them. Cankles would be a good target to kill. He's been quiet, and hasn't added much. But, assuming he's town for a moment (which he still might be), he's also a really good potential scapegoat, so I don't see them going after him either. Ciara has been awfully quiet too, so I'm not sure what to make of that as a potential target tonight. As of now, it could be, it could not be. Depends on their mood I guess? Miles is too new to really know, and I think that they might keep him alive just to see if they can't get him on their side being a little bit of a later replacement and being more easily to convince because of that maybe if that's actually a thing??? I think Peri and I are both good targets though. Practically everyone had either a null or town read on us, and the kill could equally come from any one of us. I think Peri is the more likely target due to being more active. Though, now that I said that, who knows.

Hell, now that I've said any of this who knows. If Peri doesn't die tonight, am I going to assume it's because they're actually part of the scum team, or because I think the scum team isn't killing them because I said it was obvious? Maybe they didn't kill them exactly so I WOULD start thinking that. Maybe I'm part of the reason why Cankles IS such a good scapegoat. Who knows, this game isn't easy and I think that for a Day 1 we didn't end up doing too bad in terms of getting activity going to look back on tomorrow. I don't have a ton of games to reference to see if this is normal sure, but it'll be better than nothing once we know 2 people's alignments after the night kill too.

For now, all I can really do is just vote where I have the most suspicion, and right now that means VOTE: Cankles. I think we missed our opportunity taking them off of L-1 so soon, and that's something to look at (in terms of who broke the pressure so soon). This close to deadline, I don't think that any significant pressure is going to be mounted on them, and I doubt they are going to come forth and open the flood gates just because I asked them too, but it's where I feel the most confident on, even if that's still shaky as hell.

I'm going to bed. I'm also going to be bored waiting for fireworks for most of tomorrow, so I'll be sure to have my phone charged and checking frequently. I'll reread the best I can, especially the more recent posts and probably post more tomorrow (shorter posts I promise! )

Barnicle out (I don't know how to end these things ever).

Sure I'll explain a bit. I play a nation simulation game. And my "alliance" has a set of forums for everyone to talk and attack and blah blah blah. On the forums, there's a section for Mafia. I only recently joined the alliance and took interest in the Mafia section. I played one game (I died, and it's still going on now if you'd like to see for yourself) and I wanted more so I found this site.

ironcentral.org is the website in which I played my first and only game of Mafia. Now in your question as to the forum/forumS thing, when I say forumS, I mean the singular domain. (Linked at the beginning of the paragraph) since it's not just a Mafia forum. It serves multiple purposes.

To your question about the "no regular D1 lynch" or whatever, on that site, I read through one of the previous games and it was a NL. Then the game I played was a NL, so I assumed that was a regular thing for D1 in Mafia.

Feel free to do your research on the site I gave, I'd only ask that you don't make an account so the admins don't kick me out for flooding their site

[mhsmith0]

Whymafia isn't getting lynched.
VOTE: Fykus
Second best imo. L-1.

What about cankles

Worse wagon than you imo. sorry.

Whyd you have to be scum this game

Fykus, why do you scumread RC? If there's something substantively there, when you're at L-1 and likely to be today's lynch (I'll hammer ore deadline unless I have a much better idea), now is the time to actually make the case.

[RadiantCowbells]

No one took my read on whymafia seriously so I had to lynch elsewhere. that's not my fault.

[mhsmith0]

I mean, if you want support on WM you could try explaining it? Do you think fykus is just blaming you for not staying on WM?

[fferyllt]

Whymafia and Miles Edgeworth have been prodded.

[fferyllt]

aaand