Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[Io]

I did point out that it was a complaint. What more do you want? "Let's all go back to actually playing mafia" is a direct statement that you wanted to change the course the game was going. You were "unsatisfied," as you are wanting to put it, with the state of the game and called for a change. That is the definition of a complaint. The problem I have with you is that you delivered this complaint while contributing nothing to the game yourself. And the reason for that being a problem is that you hardly have the right to complain about the state of the game when you've done nothing to prevent or otherwise change the state of the game.

I also wasn't saying you posting fluff was indicative of you being scum. If I was I would have just voted you for it instead of push you to contribute.

OK, but fine. If you think it's unfair and a misrepresentation to call that a complaint, then what is it?
What was the intent of that post.

Yeah and that statement still doesn't imply what a complaint actually is. It was more of a suggestion. An idea that was put forward for consideration which was evident by the first part of the post. A call for us a unit to regroup. By no means a complaint.

OK. That still doesn't explain why you were calling for a unit to regroup when you've been walking from the conflict the whole time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I did point out that it was a complaint. What more do you want? "Let's all go back to actually playing mafia" is a direct statement that you wanted to change the course the game was going. You were "unsatisfied," as you are wanting to put it, with the state of the game and called for a change. That is the definition of a complaint. The problem I have with you is that you delivered this complaint while contributing nothing to the game yourself. And the reason for that being a problem is that you hardly have the right to complain about the state of the game when you've done nothing to prevent or otherwise change the state of the game.

I also wasn't saying you posting fluff was indicative of you being scum. If I was I would have just voted you for it instead of push you to contribute.

OK, but fine. If you think it's unfair and a misrepresentation to call that a complaint, then what is it?
What was the intent of that post.

Yeah and that statement still doesn't imply what a complaint actually is. It was more of a suggestion. An idea that was put forward for consideration which was evident by the first part of the post. A call for us a unit to regroup. By no means a complaint.

OK. That still doesn't explain why you were calling for a unit to regroup when you've been walking from the conflict the whole time.

I never walked away. I was actually quite entertained.

[Io]

OK, that was a bad analog. I really shouldn't use those.

Basically what I've been saying is that you were putting this idea forward and not following the idea yourself.
The idea being "actually playing mafia."
And why did I say you were not following this idea?
Because until I mentioned you were only posting fluff and votes that's all you were doing. You weren't trying to do anything to play the game or contribute to discussions.

Is that clear enough for you? Because I don't think you are understanding anything I'm saying because you still have not addressed the core of this argument I've been trying to get across to you.
All you had said in regards to the argument I'm making is in 218 where you said this:

Also if you notice, when you first accused me of complaining, I replied with the same tone you used because I didn't find it a fair accusation. I'm still struggling even now as I write this as to how you thought I was complaining. As for fluff, it's NAI. It has no bearing on my alignment. It doesn't get anyone lynched but yet scum still try to push it as AI. Baffling.

Which is just a strawman because I'm not disreguarding with this, I agree with this, yet you're saying that I'm voting for you because of your fluff.
I've hopefully made it clear I'm voting you because you're being contradictory with what you are saying and doing and trying to use me pushing you to contribute a reason I am scum.

[Io]

*line 8 "disregarding" is supposed to say "disagreeing."
I like autocorrect.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

OK, that was a bad analog. I really shouldn't use those.

Basically what I've been saying is that you were putting this idea forward and not following the idea yourself.
The idea being "actually playing mafia."
And why did I say you were not following this idea?
Because until I mentioned you were only posting fluff and votes that's all you were doing. You weren't trying to do anything to play the game or contribute to discussions.

Is that clear enough for you? Because I don't think you are understanding anything I'm saying because you still have not addressed the core of this argument I've been trying to get across to you.
All you had said in regards to the argument I'm making is in 218 where you said this:

Also if you notice, when you first accused me of complaining, I replied with the same tone you used because I didn't find it a fair accusation. I'm still struggling even now as I write this as to how you thought I was complaining. As for fluff, it's NAI. It has no bearing on my alignment. It doesn't get anyone lynched but yet scum still try to push it as AI. Baffling.

Which is just a strawman because I'm not disreguarding with this, I agree with this, yet you're saying that I'm voting for you because of your fluff.
I've hopefully made it clear I'm voting you because you're being contradictory with what you are saying and doing and trying to use me pushing you to contribute a reason I am scum.

Well if that's the case, I don't see why you're voting for me. I just put the idea forward, meaning there isn't enough of a sample size to determine if I'm following it not. However, the posts right before this argument contained me voting for Chi and saying that maybe all the ladies did roll scum this game. I think those posts would be decent examples of actually playing mafia to most people on this site. I'm stating who I find suspicious and making it known that I think someone is scum and that I want to lynch them. Just because you think my posting before I stated the idea doesn't justify me bringing it up, doesn't mean I'm not following it.

I didn't find the discussion about whether the knowledge of the color of the teams confirmed someone or not and the mod clarifying things helpful. It wasn't playing mafia to me. It was just noise that only helped scum hide.

[Chickadee]

i think it's pretty safe to say things were already started when you made that statement, though. i could get your vote on me as a reaction tests of sorts. i can't get your post on dong as anything of the sort. things were already started. you said you were adding him to your scum pile for now. that isn't poking, that's just giving a "read" and it functionally fails as a reaction test. except it isn't even a read. it's basically just telling him "you are an acceptable information lynch please and thank you." basically, hollow posting.

Where did I say I wanted to lynch him, or that he was an acceptable information lynch?

Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

I feel fine adding you to my scum pile for now. Though, I can see where you could be looking out for town.

Not bottom tier scum, but like, I'll get a lot of info on you from a flip.

I never voted him. I even said he wasn't bottom tier scum. Meaning I don't have a hard scum read on him. And I think you're confusing my last bit there. Admittedly reading it back it does sound like I mean Dong flipping. I meant if one of a few other people flip, I would get information to help me sort Dong.

[Chickadee]

Maybe all the ladies rolled scum this game

Io and LUV seems town on town to me.

The post that started that whole thing, LUV saying let's get back to playing, was not pointless as Io pointed out. I can see how it'd be taken that way, but everyone came in harping about a day start PM, when it was obvious (at least to me) that there wasn't one. It was a distraction to the game.

Thinking about it now, I'm going to go back and take note of that whole thing, for reasons.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Dongempire

Wait, who are you?

Did you replace Dr0wningben?

[Kawso]

Did we have a replacement?

Anyway, If you were so desperate to get bsck to playing mafia or whatever, where was this effort to do so during that discussion?

[Donempire]

I don't understand what you're saying.

You accused me of complaining.

Complaining means to express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event. Where exactly did you see me expressing that in the post you linked?

Hey. Stop beating around the bush mate. Not everything has to be their exact same definition as in the dictionary. Even if you werent complaining there, i dont see the reason for you to drag this out for so long.

[Donempire]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

[Flairs]

Why is Quantum town for you? Imo they haven't made enough posts for me to read them either way

[QuantumRadius]

honestly i would agree with that

i really shouldn't agree with that
but i agree with that

[Kop]

VOTE: Dongempire

Wait, who are you?

Did you replace Dr0wningben?

Correct.

[Kop]

No, just curious why you complain about people not playing when you're the person contributing the least to the game.

I don't see that post as a complaint. Think this is just a complete over reaction to a post that is been blown way out of proportion.

[Kop]

I did point out that it was a complaint. What more do you want? "Let's all go back to actually playing mafia" is a direct statement that you wanted to change the course the game was going. You were "unsatisfied," as you are wanting to put it, with the state of the game and called for a change. That is the definition of a complaint. The problem I have with you is that you delivered this complaint while contributing nothing to the game yourself. And the reason for that being a problem is that you hardly have the right to complain about the state of the game when you've done nothing to prevent or otherwise change the state of the game.

I also wasn't saying you posting fluff was indicative of you being scum. If I was I would have just voted you for it instead of push you to contribute.

Because the state of the game at that stage, wasn't going anywhere. People were still debating about the colour of the teams, even after the mod made 2 or 3 posts clarifying what was said. I took the post from Uzi as a post that was off topic, and the statement at the bottom was just to me basically saying carry on.

[Kop]

OK, that was a bad analog. I really shouldn't use those.

Basically what I've been saying is that you were putting this idea forward and not following the idea yourself.
The idea being "actually playing mafia."
And why did I say you were not following this idea?
Because until I mentioned you were only posting fluff and votes that's all you were doing. You weren't trying to do anything to play the game or contribute to discussions.

Is that clear enough for you? Because I don't think you are understanding anything I'm saying because you still have not addressed the core of this argument I've been trying to get across to you.
All you had said in regards to the argument I'm making is in 218 where you said this:

Also if you notice, when you first accused me of complaining, I replied with the same tone you used because I didn't find it a fair accusation. I'm still struggling even now as I write this as to how you thought I was complaining. As for fluff, it's NAI. It has no bearing on my alignment. It doesn't get anyone lynched but yet scum still try to push it as AI. Baffling.

Which is just a strawman because I'm not disreguarding with this, I agree with this, yet you're saying that I'm voting for you because of your fluff.
I've hopefully made it clear I'm voting you because you're being contradictory with what you are saying and doing and trying to use me pushing you to contribute a reason I am scum.

Now I'm in the understanding of your point behind the vote, I think Uzi plays this way. I have played with him several times, and I think if I remember correctly, he's been mislynched a few of those times. (If memory serves me correctly).

[Kop]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

[Donempire]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

this quote

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

coupled with the fact that he was not reluctant at all to shitpost and joke early game and be active, and now he's posting enough good posts for me to be confident in that read at least in this stage.
The above post getting answered, even if it wasnt his intention, may clear up a lot of things that i'll propose once it gets answered. I just felt he was town because of that post.

[Kop]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

this quote

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

coupled with the fact that he was not reluctant at all to shitpost and joke early game and be active, and now he's posting enough good posts for me to be confident in that read at least in this stage.
The above post getting answered, even if it wasnt his intention, may clear up a lot of things that i'll propose once it gets answered. I just felt he was town because of that post.

I have to disagree with that tbh. That question can come from anybody, even from scum.

He's null at best.

[Chickadee]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

this quote

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

coupled with the fact that he was not reluctant at all to shitpost and joke early game and be active, and now he's posting enough good posts for me to be confident in that read at least in this stage.
The above post getting answered, even if it wasnt his intention, may clear up a lot of things that i'll propose once it gets answered. I just felt he was town because of that post.

I also have to disagree with this. That post alone was jokey, but it felt awkward. It felt more like a joke that could have come from scum. I would put quantum in my null scum pile right now. They haven't done anything for me to town read them.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't understand what you're saying.

You accused me of complaining.

Complaining means to express dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event. Where exactly did you see me expressing that in the post you linked?

Hey. Stop beating around the bush mate. Not everything has to be their exact same definition as in the dictionary. Even if you werent complaining there, i dont see the reason for you to drag this out for so long.

I'm chilling.

Io is the one that's going hard here.

[DeltaW]

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

No.

[Kop]

Quantum is town, BTD is probably town, LUV's and Io's argument i dont have a clue what to make of that. I didnt get why they were arguing in the first place, and i still dont.

I disagree with the Quantum read.

Why is he town?

this quote

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

coupled with the fact that he was not reluctant at all to shitpost and joke early game and be active, and now he's posting enough good posts for me to be confident in that read at least in this stage.
The above post getting answered, even if it wasnt his intention, may clear up a lot of things that i'll propose once it gets answered. I just felt he was town because of that post.

hey while we're grabbing for free towncred
does the mafia have daychat?

No.

So where does this put you with your proposals?

[MarioManiac4]

i think it's pretty safe to say things were already started when you made that statement, though. i could get your vote on me as a reaction tests of sorts. i can't get your post on dong as anything of the sort. things were already started. you said you were adding him to your scum pile for now. that isn't poking, that's just giving a "read" and it functionally fails as a reaction test. except it isn't even a read. it's basically just telling him "you are an acceptable information lynch please and thank you." basically, hollow posting.

Where did I say I wanted to lynch him, or that he was an acceptable information lynch?

Alright BTD is talking bullshit.

It is really easy to get the colors for both factions just by asking the mod for the colors. In fact, i have asked what was up with the faction colors and thats how i knew red was scum and what was up with the blue colors. I have no doubt the mod wouldve said towns' color to me even if i was scum.

So you knowing blue is town proves nothing. Unless you're trying to prove you asked the mod for towns' faction color. Scum.

VOTE: BTD6_maker

I feel fine adding you to my scum pile for now. Though, I can see where you could be looking out for town.

Not bottom tier scum, but like, I'll get a lot of info on you from a flip.

I never voted him. I even said he wasn't bottom tier scum. Meaning I don't have a hard scum read on him. And I think you're confusing my last bit there. Admittedly reading it back it does sound like I mean Dong flipping. I meant if one of a few other people flip, I would get information to help me sort Dong.

okay I can accept that explanation for that
even so; it's still hollow posting in that you are making random reads and dumping them in the thread for no real reason