Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[WhemeStar]

What's up

Hi RC

VOTE: RC

[mhsmith0]

Good luck town! ,<3

[WhaleBarnicle]

Newbie 1806 The Ffery Garden

Moderator: fferyllt
Backup Moderator: Cabd

After four years of drought, voluntary and mandatory water conservation measures have finally ended. The reservoirs are full and the Ffery Garden is once again a thing!

The morning is still and quiet, and sunlight has just begun to stream into the yard. It appears to be a time for peaceful contemplation and enjoyment. But, looks can be deceiving. Nature has sent ravenous creatures into the garden. Will they prevail? Or will there be a harvest this year?

Player List (9)

PersephoneSidekick
RadiantCowbells

DoubloonSeven

King Cankles
WhaleBarnicle

Ginseng Tea, Geralt of Rivia¹

Miles Edgeworth

PestoSwami

WhyMafia (SE)
Fykus (SE)
Whemestar (SE)

Cira24 A Simple Plan¹

mhsmith0 (IC)

¹ - replaced in pregame

Spoiler: Alive

PersephoneSidekick
RadiantCowbells
King Cankles
WhaleBarnicle
Miles Edgeworth
WhyMafia
Whemestar

Spoiler: Dead

Fykus,

Vanilla Townie

was lynched on Day 1
Fykus,

Town Tracker

was killed on [post=37315]Night 1

Spoiler: Modkilled

Let's not go there

Spoiler: Vote Counter Settings

Living Players

PersephoneSidekick
RadiantCowbells (replaces DoubloonSeven)
King Cankles
WhaleBarnicle (replaces GinsengTea)
Miles Edgeworth (replaces PestoSwami)
WhyMafia (replaces wm)
Whemestar (replaces Ciara24)
mhsmith0

Links

Day 1: Post #3
Day 2: Post #373

Welcome WhemeStar, what have your thoughts been so far reading through? Were you surprised by either flop?

[WhemeStar]

mhsmith looked really townie, idk why RC scumread them

[King Cankles]

Hmmm

[Miles Edgeworth]

I am as caught up on the events that occurred before my arrival as I care to be. Some thoughts:

How did King Cankles go three days at L-1 without being lynched?

Fykus was a constant counterwagon, thanks to PersephoneSidekick and King Cankles leaving their votes on him for the majority of day 1. Fykus, a townie, was the eventual lynch.

This information alone makes KC

unlikely to be mafia

in my view. Fykus was

constantly an option for the mafia to lynch

if KC were a mafia under attack. It took very little for Fykus to go: I didn't even make a formal case against him, just voted him because I found some of his early activity suspicious and had a couple of things I could cite to support it. I didn't pressure him to a meaningful extent or have to recruit anybody to vote for him; he just picked up two more votes relatively quickly and died.

Suppose KC were mafia. If that's really all it took to get the town to swing toward Fykus, why did KC sit for three days at L-1 and a week after that at L-2? That's a long time for the mafia to let one of their own dangle so close to death without doing anything to save him. More likely, to me, is that KC and Fykus were both town wagons. This would imply that the mafia didn't need to do anything, since the vast majority of the day had two town wagons and very little activity in the thread. The mafia had no incentive to hurry up and end the day, since there was so little activity in the thread; in fact, about the only thing they could mess up would involve hammering KC and looking shady in the process.

This means that the mafia are likely among the people who...
- Spent a lot of the day voting for one person: This game stalled out big-time. These environments are very pro-scum. As a result, we would expect townies to be the ones who switched votes multiple times through the day, after the random voting stage ended, as part of their investigating and attempts to break out of the stall. Conversely, scum would want to look interested in any breaking developments, but would not want to be too proactive in discovering anything, since the game state is good for them, and since the worst thing that could happen for them to effect that is to give the town a new perspective from which to consider things.
- Voted outside of the two wagons: The mafia's gameplan in a situation like I suspect we had day 1 (two town wagons in a stalled game) will be to lay low. They don't want to stir the pot and accidentally incite the town out of the stall. They want both wagons to get slowly and ineffectually lynched without significant involvement from either of them. Ideally, they wouldn't even be on the lynched wagons at all, since the default reaction in these situations is to go after the weakest votes on the lynched towns' wagons. Thus, we would expect them to find a reason to be off of the main wagons at the end of the day.

It's for these reasons that I call

WhaleBarnicle

to the stand.

WhaleBarnicle:
1. Now that KingCankles has had several days to ruminate over the results of day 1, has checked into the thread since day 2 started, but hasn't yet posted anything, how do you feel about his behavior? You did say here that you were going to watch him for how he chose to develop the game state in day 2.
2. Given my argument from voting behavior above, do you maintain your suspicion of KingCankles?
3. Given the late shift toward Fykus and away from KingCankles,

why did you pull your vote for him and vote yourself

, thereby ensuring your primary suspect had no way to get lynched?

[fferyllt]

Due to the unusually high number of prods this game has needed so far* and the effect this is having on the game's pace, I'm suspending my policy of treating the weekend as a single day for prod purposes.

*This may actually be a normal prod rate currently. This is the first Newbie game (one of 2 concurrently, actually) I've modded in over a year and there may have been changes in game speed and replacement rate that I missed while I was gone.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: RC





Sorry for the inactivity Ffferylit :/

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: WHymafia

[WhyMafia]

RC I need something to work with. If you're going to tunnel me, can you at least wait until you formulate something that I can defend against? In addition, why don't you search for my "partner" until you can make a genuine case. You're just wasting time and giving an illusion that you're contributing.

[RadiantCowbells]

mhsmith looked really townie, idk why RC scumread them

when did i scumread them

[RadiantCowbells]

I claim 1-shot bulletproof

Town.
Hi everyone! This is like uhh.
Game.
I am playing the game though.

1 word
6 words
1 word
6 words

in newbie 1616 modded by starkmoon I was 1-shot bp

now yall can fuck off.

[RadiantCowbells]

whymafia flips scum, period

wheme you can get lynched too

[King Cankles]

I'm confused. Did you just quote yourself? And then Role Claim for this current game?...

[WhemeStar]

RC can we play the the game of sheep RC

[WhemeStar]

Also if your a PR you CC right now

[WhyMafia]

If there's CC please do so now
UNVOTE: All
You're not infallible RC

[WhemeStar]

whymafia flips scum, period

wheme you can get lynched too

Also I'm not getting lynched I'm town

[RadiantCowbells]

wheme your vote on me was terrible you're not making endgame

[RadiantCowbells]

If there's CC please do so now
UNVOTE: All
You're not infallible RC

you don't get to call me scum for scumreading you then turn around and cry that I'm not infallible

you are getting lynched today. bye.

[WhemeStar]

wheme your vote on me was terrible you're not making endgame

My thought process was

RC scumread Mhsmith
Mhsmith looked townie
RC kills Mhsmith

[RadiantCowbells]

??????????????????????????????

what kind of thought process was that

i had mhsmith0 pinned as pr from very early on. I didn't comment on his slot's alignment since like very early on for a reason

[WhemeStar]

It was a good thought process imo

I thought you knew he was a PR so you were trying to scumread him

[RadiantCowbells]

why would I try to scumread someone that I thought was pr and draw attention to having a weird read on the slot before they die ??

[RadiantCowbells]

also how much do you want to bet that mhsmith tracked me last night