Open 693 - Capture the (White) Flag - Mod KIA

[Donempire]

For fucks sake though QR, you are the root of the problem. My stance on you is taking a dive as we speak. Either stop fucking around with "i dunno what to make of anything" without referencing anything, or just dont post at all.

You know what, im not voting anyone. I realize i was just townreading you but if you say nothing is happening in this game, its not an option to sit back and watch.
VOTE: QuantumRadius

[Kop]

why are you wagoning me for me not finding enough content to base a read on

I'm not going to echo everybodies thoughts because people have already discussed it. But there is 12 pages, there is surely enough to get a read on someone, at least, even if it's just one person.

[Kop]

why are you wagoning me for me not finding enough content to base a read on

I'm not going to echo everybodies thoughts because people have already discussed it. But there is 12 pages, there is surely enough to get a read on someone, at least, even if it's just one person.

[MarioManiac4]

L1 them

[Io]

UNVOTE:

How about no. He's at L-2, well now L-3, and I'm not particularly fond of having someone at L-1 or L-2 for a rvs.
Because heaven knows someone will lolhammer on accident.

[Chickadee]

well i think we all know how to solve this situation

VOTE: MM4

No. As much as I hate to put MM4 in my town pile, MM4 is town.


Back to V/LA now

[MarioManiac4]

</3

[Sesq]

VOTE: Io

I'm really confident about this

[Kawso]

Wait we're considering this RVS?

Oops

[Io]

I was. I thought it was a joke to want to lynch someone on not having reads 2 days into day 1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Day 1 started 6 days ago..

[Kop]

L1 them

No, I feel uncomfortable putting someone at L-1, at this stage. We're barely out of RVS.

[Io]

Day 1 started 6 days ago..

Well in Io time it's only been a few days.
That and I can't tell time I guess.

[QuantumRadius]

why are you wagoning me for me not finding enough content to base a read on

VOTE: Quantum
Why have you not already solved the game? Gosh.

I can't gamesolve unless I'm a roleblocker

L1 them

</3 do I really have to hardclaim for you

I'll take another look but it's unlikely ill come up with anything novel and pushable

[Io]

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

[QuantumRadius]

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

[Flairs]

shit I'm sorry family stuff came up today which is why I wasn't active- my guess is that I'll be LVA till Tuesday

[Io]

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Or he can just asked to be replaced.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Or he can just ask to be replaced.

EBWOP.

[QuantumRadius]

Well there's your problem.
You can't just rely on night actions to make reads.
Especially in this game that is strictly made of vanilla.

i can make reads in a vanilla game
they're just terrible.
but whatever, ill look anyway

So...In essence your defense for the accusation is that you're just not good at scumhunting?
I mean I know this is going to sound rather mean, but you're not really presenting a good case to not kill you because it sounds like there isn't a huge loss if you're lynched.
If you're scum then it's a pretty lucky lynch, and if you're town you're pretty much saying you wouldn't be very good help late game aside from being contribution for majority.

So.
VOTE: Quantum
Sorry if you're town, but I would just say you would need to work on like reading up on some Mafia Theory maybe or try reading up on games you were town in and see where Mafia slipped up and how to notice when a Mafia slips up.

omg that actually worked?
my reaction test actually worked?
that never happens to me

this pinged me hard for being opportunistic.
you realize i would be an easy mislynch. therefore you are pushing me because i will offer little resistance in the form of defense (i can't really prove i'm a vt), and because the town isn't losing much if they do. therefore i'm an ideal first ml to be pushing as a mafia member, plus you have the support of the town.
VOTE: io

[Io]

Yeah I realized you would be an easy mislynch and that's what concerns me about keeping you around for late game.

Because let's face it you flat out said you would be a great asset for the Mafia come late game because you could easily be manipulated or mislynched.
Come a 3v2 of 4v2 (TvS) scenario you would be a pretty large detriment for the town regardless of your alignment.
I ran a bunch of what if scenarios in my head and I couldn't see anything good coming from you not being lynched D1 or 2.

The predominant of those being that if you're Town the Mafia wont kill you because you pointed out to them that you are bad at scum hunting. It would be good for them to have someone like that around in the final 5 or 6 for two reasons.
The first being like you pointed out yourself you would not be a hard target to mislynch and they could push you on that you have been no help to the town. Though it would depend on how they went about that, and really if they would try to risk that. More explained in the next paragraph.
The other being they could prey on your lack of self confidence and use it to persuade you into lynching a townie.

Then if you're Mafia it's a bit better for the town for you to live late game than if you were town, but not by much.
You would basically be given a free past almost to not be lynched in a 3v2 or 4v2.
Like I said earlier you would be a horrible kill target for Mafia since you told them you would be a good person to keep late game. This means if you are Mafia you get a flawless excuse as to why you are never night killed.
In adition to that you would be giving little to no reads to keep your VI card in play making you an extremely risky lynch (given this is white flag) since only 2 Mafia need to be lynched going after the Mafia who is nearly impossible to read due to not making associative tails or reads is far more risky than trying to lynch a Mafia based on the first one's flip.

Honestly it is reaching into policy lynch territory, but frankly you made yourself such a valuable asset to the Mafia if you are town it could be fatal if you lived to the final 5 or 6.

And honestly if you're coming out and saying that you were faking being a VI, then you're gambit was pretty reckless as if you actually failed you would liekly have been lynched due to the lynch all liars mentality for faking to be a VI.

[Io]

Also that line:
"you realize i would be an easy mislynch. therefore you are pushing me because i will offer little resistance in the form of defense (i can't really prove i'm a vt), and because the town isn't losing much if they do. therefore i'm an ideal first ml to be pushing as a mafia member, plus you have the support of the town."
is wrong because I'm wanting you to be policy lynched essentially because of what I said in the aforementioned post.
There's no clear indication that you are town or mafia as far as I can see, and if you continued to make little to no reads all game there would be no associates on you and there would never be a point you could be labled town or scum,

[QuantumRadius]

you do realize that I was bluffing cluelessness for reactions
I am more aware than I will ever give myself credit for

[Io]

Yeah I realized that because you said it.
But I was thinking from the perspective of "holy **** this guy would ruin the town if he lived late game if any Mafia were to even have the slightest hint he was a VI."