Newbie 1806 - The Ffery Garden: GAME OVER!

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Unabombah

sorta think Cankles was scum now

[UnaBombaH]

Oh, and in case someone ends the day quickly while I'm away:

I forgot to make an enigmatic comment regarding The Revelation I mentioned in my #518.

If no one acts against RC during D2 or D3, I can trust him fully when he says he is BP.

This comment is meant for that small %-chance we have one scared townie who doesn't know what to do at this point.

This comment should also show RC that I am really working for town, because if you realize what I meant above, you agree I shouldn't share it with everyone.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Unabombah

sorta think Cankles was scum now

I was waiting for this to happen.
I'm used to getting targeted for my upfront play.

I'll turn it to you RC - in a world where you didn't claim BP, how would you convince people about your alignment?
From a newbies perspective your playstyle seems very scummy and destructive, I for one doubted your alignment before you claimed BP.

[RadiantCowbells]

Me? I either have a way to confirm myself as town or I get lynched because there's nothing I can do as town that I couldn't do as scum.

Or it's a newbie and I do towny things that are within my scum range and get townread for them.

[UnaBombaH]

I meant in this particular game.
Or am I thinking this backwards?

Did you excercise such aggressive play BECAUSE you are the BP?
Because I find it weird (trying to understand you).
A) You don't have to fear being NK'd.
But why would you be their target, if you seem scummy to the rest of us? Scum would want to keep you around as an easy lynch?

B) You can just claim BP the moment you get blamed for acting scummy (which I feel you did this game)
But then why play scummy in the first place? Why not play goody two shoes and TRY to get NK'd? Or is this playstyle all about going to LyLo with BP holding the hammer?

[RadiantCowbells]

???

I didn't act scummy. I was never scummy in this game. It's not scummy that I have trouble articulating my reads sometimes. It's just newer players conflating pro-town with towny.

[UnaBombaH]

???

I didn't act scummy. I was never scummy in this game. It's not scummy that I have trouble articulating my reads sometimes. It's just newer players conflating pro-town with towny.

Oh, ok. Maybe my interpretation on what is scummy is flawed then.

And I don't want to waste my time on "questioning" you, since you are currently the only conf. town.

I'm just trying to learn how to read people based on text.
There are times when someone suddenly says they "read X as town", and I'm out here scratching my head and trying my hardest to find anything to read that way.
You have been very vocal about reading WhyMafia as scum, and while I got the same feeling, I'm not as sure about it as you seemed to be.

Like I admitted above, I suffered from conf. bias in that YOU pointed out the possibility I had in my mind about WhyMafia/Perse team.
And since you are the conf.town its easy for a newbie like me to just follow your lead, but I'm starting to question whether you (and me too!) might have made a mistake with WhyMafia.

[WhyMafia]

Wheme if scum
First off, let's look at his entrance.
We have an immediate push on RC. However, the reasoning is minimal at best, and the read is extremely weak. Immediately after RC claims BP, Wheme says he'll sheep him. Almost too quickly .. Then he posts that a CC should happen. I find it weird that someone who scum read RC would immediately say he'll sheep him before asking for CC's. It seems to me like that read was completely fabricated. Almost to discredit himself? Then he can say he had wrong reads, and trusts RC's judgement to make the right decision (which you shouldn't do even if you're town). That way he shelves responsibility for a mis-lynch. And the rest of his posts just tunnel me. As much as it pains me, at least RC looks at other issues. Let's look at Wheme's thoughts ...
oh wait he has none cause he's sheeping RC

Anyways, in post 414, he states he thinks I am scum. Then in post 458 he says his vote was only due to sheeping RC. I feel like that's another scum slip. He knows I am town, so wants to dive off responsibility. Then in post 514 he says "hammer him".
A) Either he's incompetent townie
or
B) Scum who is impatient
Post 510 doesn't even make sense logically, he just seems to be kissing up.

Please someone tell me how Wheme could potentially be town

[WhaleBarnicle]

No you aren't, WhyMafia is scum guyz.

Hopefully a more sizable post coming from me tomorrow. My computer didn't save my multi quotes so I'm going to have to go back through and redo all of it.

[WhaleBarnicle]

I really don't think that him pushing RC right out of the gate is really all that terrible. There's a possibility that Wheme would have just read RC as scummy from the first day's play, and that was before that RC had claimed he was BP. For someone who is replacing in, a vote before reading over everything may as well be a RVS vote. Look at Ciara's play with MHS. Now that we know that MHS was town in the beginning, if you look at Ciara's posts it looks much more town. Wheme doesn't have a lot of content. Yeah, he doesn't. But I think that WhyMafia's push on him has been weak and even weaker if you look at him as a potential scum slot.

[WhyMafia]

No you aren't, WhyMafia is scum guyz.

Hopefully a more sizable post coming from me tomorrow. My computer didn't save my multi quotes so I'm going to have to go back through and redo all of it.

Get original

[WhyMafia]

wheme your vote on me was terrible you're not making endgame

My thought process was

RC scumread Mhsmith
Mhsmith looked townie
RC kills Mhsmith

How does this make sense

[WhyMafia]

. Look at Ciara's play with MHS. Now that we know that MHS was town in the beginning, if you look at Ciara's posts it looks much more town.

It just looks NAI

But I think that WhyMafia's push on him has been weak and even weaker if you look at him as a potential scum slot.

Disgusting. You haven't said anything about how Wheme is town. Just continue on your tunnel

[PersephoneSidekick]

VOTE: Unabombah

sorta think Cankles was scum now

Is this on the basis of 523 or because of reread of Cankles?

[PersephoneSidekick]

My own thoughts on UnaBombaH is that he's kind of sketch, but not really enough to overcome my townread of Cankles.

[PersephoneSidekick]

I don't have a lot to say right now, because I'm kind of on a flowchart that is waiting for Wheme and Whale to post answers to questions they've been asked. People have been talking a lot but from my end it looks like rehashing the same arguments. Maybe I should analyse the tone more when have have some more time tonight, but I really hope there'll be new posts from Wheme and Whale by then. I'm inclined to vote WM if both of them give good answers, but I'm very much not in a hurry. We have over a week to gather more information after all.

[WhemeStar]

I don't have a lot to say right now, because I'm kind of on a flowchart that is waiting for Wheme and Whale to post answers to questions they've been asked. People have been talking a lot but from my end it looks like rehashing the same arguments. Maybe I should analyse the tone more when have have some more time tonight, but I really hope there'll be new posts from Wheme and Whale by then. I'm inclined to vote WM if both of them give good answers, but I'm very much not in a hurry. We have over a week to gather more information after all.

What questions

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2.6

There are a number of different varieties of night-blooming clematis. The attribute they have in common? They are dramatic!

WhyMafia

(2): WhaleBarnicle, WhemeStar

WhemeStar

(2): WhyMafia, PersephoneSidekick

UnaBombaH

(1): RadiantCowbells

WhaleBarnicle

(1): Miles Edgeworth

Not Voting

(1): UnaBombaH

Deadline: July 23 Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2017-07-22 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

-

[PersephoneSidekick]

I don't have a lot to say right now, because I'm kind of on a flowchart that is waiting for Wheme and Whale to post answers to questions they've been asked. People have been talking a lot but from my end it looks like rehashing the same arguments. Maybe I should analyse the tone more when have have some more time tonight, but I really hope there'll be new posts from Wheme and Whale by then. I'm inclined to vote WM if both of them give good answers, but I'm very much not in a hurry. We have over a week to gather more information after all.

What questions

Mostly, I just want a reads list from you with reasons. And for you to explain your votes in ways that actually make sense. I don't really have to energy to quote every single post in the thread where people are bugging you to be more transparent or explain yourself.

[WhyMafia]

I don't have a lot to say right now, because I'm kind of on a flowchart that is waiting for Wheme and Whale to post answers to questions they've been asked. People have been talking a lot but from my end it looks like rehashing the same arguments. Maybe I should analyse the tone more when have have some more time tonight, but I really hope there'll be new posts from Wheme and Whale by then. I'm inclined to vote WM if both of them give good answers, but I'm very much not in a hurry. We have over a week to gather more information after all.

What questions

Mostly, I just want a reads list from you with reasons. And for you to explain your votes in ways that actually make sense. I don't really have to energy to quote every single post in the thread where people are bugging you to be more transparent or explain yourself.

He's scum, his reads are fabricated

[RadiantCowbells]

Whymafia, sing me a lullaby

Also:

We are not lynching Whemestar today. Foot down.

[WhemeStar]

Whymafia, sing me a lullaby

Also:

We are not lynching Whemestar today. Foot down.

Why

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll lynch u tomorrow after I get ur buddy

[WhemeStar]

I'll lynch u tomorrow after I get ur buddy

Sounds good who is it tho

[WhemeStar]

PS go read any of my games I don't think I explain my reads in all of them