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As for Cabd's ISO
I want him to case Dan.
I feel like he's been playing a super low effort game
Also right now I don't like the fact that he's making me and Dan go at each others throats while he just sits and watches. He should be treating this as LyLo too ya know, but instead he's making us do all the work for him.
Like in 1050 upon re-reading I feel like what Cabd could be doing here is he could just be trying to get me to not talk about his scumbuddies (I've announced SRs on Fire and Keyen at this point)
As his relation to Keyen, I'm dropping the "Scum!Keyen didn't want me to dance with town!Cabd point." I think it's just in attempt to distance himself from Cabd.
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Okay my concerns are right now Dan bussed.
I don't feel like Fire targetting Dan was a coincidence. I feel like it was planned mostly in attempt to distance.
I feel like Fire knew was getting bussed and decided to play along with the guy who was bussing him in attempt to distance.
I felt like Fire was doing his part to make himself getting bussed look as good as he possibly can for his partner.
I feel like Dan's push on Dunn wasn't natural, Like for example his last point in 2268 kinda is just suboptimal play coming from town and somehow Dan spins that to be scummy.- A2
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When I get home I am. You're not getting major effort without a keyboard. I've been mobile for nine hours.
Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~- A2
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This isn't untrue. But it's mostly because I know I'm town and the game has basically come down to which of Hebi or I walk. We can do it the lynching way too but you know, same diff.In post 2426, A2 wrote:Also right now I don't like the fact that he's making me and Dan go at each others throats while he just sits and watches. He should be treating this as LyLo too ya know, but instead he's making us do all the work for him.Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~- A2
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This is the incredibly relevant reads list one though.
In post 589, keyenpeydee wrote:My readlist
The people who I can confidently say they could be town:
Vecna - his posts doesn't really feel coming from scum.
Priscila - though his tone is quite aggressive, I could say I'm leaning town to this person.
Maxous - townread because most of his posts I agree with.
Giga - townlean
A2 - townlean
Maybe town:
Cabd
Penguin
Fire
LLD - she produced a lot of contents that includes sorting people, trying to help town, though I don't really like how she wants us to play the game with that scorched earth thingy.
RC
MariaR
The person who I can confidently say he could be scum:
Dunnstral - don't like his posts and anything about the slot.
Still trying to sort:
Mint
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Ok I've reread and I've reconfirmed that A2 wasn't bussing. If you were, well played because I don't see posts like 955, 1016, 1019, 1021, 1025 and 1026 as interactions between scum buddies. I find those posts even more convincing than the main case on key in 1383, which stands on its own merits still to me. Later reading the progression on fire after the first dance, feels really good considering the above, like to borrow your own words, a "natural" scum read extension from pre-dance combined with the knowledge that Key was scum.
There's a couple things I would like answers about though. Some I can guess at, but I'd like to hear your own words
1) you linked a game in post 1029 to show a difference between town key there and key here. Even knowing his alignments in both now, I can't spot a difference between the two when you hard town read him in that game. What's the difference, what would have made you care about what he said in that game
2) What made you prioritize lynching Firebringer first dance over the Dunn/Maria pair. Did your scum read of Dunn and/or Maria go up or down relative to Firebringer?
3) regarding your most recent post on me in 2427, you have said plenty that my push on Dunn wasn't natural, and now you cite 2268's last point but you posted this in 1886:As far as I can tell, you started scum reading Maria around here. In 2427 you're calling this suboptimal play coming from town but why is it unnatural of me to call this for the BS it was especially when thought Dunnstral was scum?
4) Also from the same post — What to you makes my push against fire look more like a bus and less like a push against scum from town? Like I don't understand this sentiment at all. I know I'm highly biased but I'd be less concerned if you said the same about key than fire, considering how things turned out at the end. I don't do theater like that. Never have never will. But regardless I don't understand how you look at that and feel "yeah looks like a bus".
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I will try to get a more proper reread of Cabd.
For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?
some cuts.I'll give you a moment to let that sink in- Cabd
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Mostly? Instinct from her phrasing and the lack of heavily pushing me. There's a very specific way we treat each other if actually scumreading one another. And what she was doing wasn't it. It's "deathtunnel mc deathfunnelface" if anything.In post 2437, ActionDan wrote:For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~- Cabd
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Like I can state with near 100% certainty that her PT from the interlude is her telling Maxious how town I am. And that I'm being lazy.In post 2438, Cabd wrote:
Mostly? Instinct from her phrasing and the lack of heavily pushing me. There's a very specific way we treat each other if actually scumreading one another. And what she was doing wasn't it. It's "deathtunnel mc deathfunnelface" if anything.In post 2437, ActionDan wrote:For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~- Cabd
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For the record: The reaosn I dislike playing with players like Firebringer is because they do this shitty "make a billions posts, none of them with reads or sustaince" thing as both alignments and get away with it. At least he had an excuse here.
In post 2166, Firebringer wrote:I'll tr u A2 if you vote actiondan
The two most relevant quotes; both coming after he'd walked out knowing what his flip would be AGH.In post 2248, Firebringer wrote:Lynch dan tomorrow.Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~- Cabd
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If this is a bus I'm very proud of you dan. Especially the "cascade" thing is just so likely to come from town.In post 1354, ActionDan wrote:GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.
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Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.
On that last point I would agree with A2 that 977 and now imo 1350 don't contain evidence of scum hunting.
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I will probably make a proposal later tonight. Of the unpaired girls other than hebichan, and of the girls in general, my strongest town reads are P_A and GBT, by far. I will probably propose to one of hebichan or P_A since both have expressed a desire for me to do so and GBT has other stronger feelings towards other gentlemen. I know Key is one of them but it's not my place to take away the responsibility for that decision from GBT. There's other things like Hebichan not liking Vecna and Priscila probably going to blow up on P_A if it happens but I'm not the type to meddle in these calls.
I also can bet that once I do propose, it will likely create a cascade effect and things may be going quicker than you'd think. So this is a warning and an advisement to air what you will soon.
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:~( This can't be true sentiment AND factual at the same time.In post 1920, ActionDan wrote:
This post contains itIn post 1905, Dunnstral wrote:
Care to share? There's a good chance you're dead tonight if townIn post 1901, ActionDan wrote:There's plenty of evidence to support it.
Also A2's original case about Key is indeed a case coming from town.Have retired for good; Life is too busy to have time or energy for mafia. It was fun~- Cabd
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1) He seemed like he cared about the game there, like he was making an attempt to scumhunt. Here his scumhunting is just...Absent.
2) I was starting to forget why I scumread Dunnstral, so I went for Firebringer instead and I wanted to help Cowbells push that since it was a read we both agreed on. Maria was one I got from interactions during the First Dance but even then pushing Firebringer was a priority for me since I though that had more chances of flipping scum due to Associatives.
3) Maria was just saying "Keyen v A2 could be a SvS" without looking at flips. Dunnstral was saying "A2 is being extremely hostile and it bothers me." Maria blantantly did not care about Flips, Dunnstral just concerned that I was hostile and wanted to figure out if it was AI or not.
4) Honestly it's mostly just judging by gamestate and how it went down. Ever hear of the bussing method called Divide and Conquer? A group of scumbuddies scumreads the other and vice versa. I'm saying this is what happened here in attempt to open up a bunch of false dichotomies. I'm saying the way Fire approached it made it seem like this is what was going on. I'm saying instead of going for Maria/Dunn, Fire was going down and you decided to hop on for cred.
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