Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[In4Fun]

Forgive me for not knowing much terminology, but null is neither mafia or townie, correct?

Correct.

Prod received.

@Yooh: I was not aware of that. Thanks for letting me know and welcome to the game. Is your vote for me random or do you consider me to have behaved scummily and if so, what specifically?

Semiserious. You prefer to push content from someone who haven't post rather than someone who have posted is a little bit strange. If you voted to someone actively posting, you would get their reaction faster.
I don't see why is that scummy or even a little wrong. Don't we want content from anyone, equally?

Howdy, new guy here, good luck and have fun. (ponders a bit why people are casting their votes early on)

This is hard for me to tell on whether it comes from a genuine complete newb place or a "I'm scum and feel uncomfortable in the early game" place.
I'd somewhat expect newbtown to react to RVS a bit differently somehow but I can't really words my feelings/the concept right now beyond that.

As a fellow newbie, I feel it's a genuine reaction. I would have phrased my reaction a bit differently but I looked at other threads first so I already expected RVS.

Makes an impression for me that he hasn't had any experience either, which is neither good or bad, just a fact.

Well, you also said this:

If I had to pick someone for a serious vote I'd say Bhoysterous just because they've confirmed but haven't posted yet and that's the easiest way to deny town information.

And went on doing this:

VOTE: Bhoysterous

So why isn't your vote on Bhoysterous serious?

Ehhhhnnn I'm reminded of Thor and House here in the nitpicky nature. Might be playstyle rather than AI.

Thor, House, AI: what is reference, what is game terminology? A bit hard to understand this post and it may be important.

It is just me trying to buddying Jaereed for no reason. I'm expecting Jaereed's reaction to come along, but they (Jaereed's pronoun is they?) ignored it.

I believe you are telling the truth here.[/quote]
How is that makes sense for you? Doing something "for no reason" is a weird coverup, not necessarily scummy but definitely interesting. @Yooh, would you like to say something about it? Because it's one thing that I don't understand, but you say it's for no reason, it's different. Also @SIV36, is it enough explanation for you to believe he's telling the truth?

VOTE: SIV36 is my general gut feeling at this point in the game.

[SIV36]

It is just me trying to buddying Jaereed for no reason. I'm expecting Jaereed's reaction to come along, but they (Jaereed's pronoun is they?) ignored it.

I believe you are telling the truth here.

How is that makes sense for you? Doing something "for no reason" is a weird coverup, not necessarily scummy but definitely interesting. @Yooh, would you like to say something about it? Because it's one thing that I don't understand, but you say it's for no reason, it's different. Also @SIV36, is it enough explanation for you to believe he's telling the truth?

VOTE: SIV36 is my general gut feeling at this point in the game.

Please note that I didn't say I think Yooh is town. I just believe that one answer is truthful. Why?

I could be wrong, but I believe if someone is going to make up a lie, they are going to want it to be convincing. They are likely to pad down the details. Chances are, they are going to work a little too hard on it than they have to.

Yooh said they he was 'buddying' JaeReed for no reason. Based on my theory, he didn't make a convincing lie. Chances are there actually was no reason, it was just a silly comment. He could have been trying to pocket JaeReed, but that was the weirdest time and method of doing that. It makes the most sense that it was just a joke.

So, I want to put a rest to the "let's friend JaeReed" and work on something else. I'll remember it happened, in case something changes my mind about it, but until then I'm satisfied.

[SIV36]

@LlamaFluff

Out of the active participants in the game, you have not shared your reads with anyone yet. You've only asked people questions. Specifically, I'm interested in what you think of Yooh, daRealDodo, and In4Fun.

[Yooh]

Yes. It was a silly random vote from when the game started. UNVOTE:

Why are you unvoting? I don't see anything wrong with parking your vote at Eclipsed.

What did you feel was very townie about Llama's approach?
Why did you scumread clockworkgirl at this point?

Basically, how he explained the whole things we need to do and consider. He took one of our statement and he informed us what is his opinion or theory. He also explained it step by step like saying "you should catch scum like this" or "here is better method". But again, I don't know if it is because his IC role or not.

No other reason, but I don't have any reason to unvote. Why would I unvote when she is at L-3?

Are you normally a passive player?

How did he play passively? I think LlamaFluff is actively scumhunting.

Llama says "Siv, not all people who are dealt the mafia role are going to be strange with RVS". My shoulders slumped, and I expressed to myself that I better let Llama know that he's right and I'm not really going to go gung-ho on tuber because I think all mafia-roled players will always be strange like tuber during RVS. So I told Llama I agree, which I guess people around here become very concerned about. *shrugs*

Hol' up, I'm a little bit slow. So basically, you agreed to avoid disputation? Please don't say "yes, you are right" in apathy behaviour.

I don't see why is that scummy or even a little wrong. Don't we want content from anyone, equally?

Yes, we want it, but faster is always better. Why would you push a content from someone who post once every 2 day rather than someone who post 10 times every day, especially in RVS? The quality of post is also matter, though.

Thor, House, AI: what is reference, what is game terminology? A bit hard to understand this post and it may be important.

I think Thor is a person. I don't know about House, but I think a person also. AI is allignment indicative. My friend said AI or NAI is for cool kid terms.

@Yooh, would you like to say something about it? Because it's one thing that I don't understand, but you say it's for no reason, it's different.

I do that because she is the only one I know among others. No particularly important reason. Why is it concerned you a lot?

[LlamaFluff]

clockworkgirl actually did vote Bhoy there though rather than merely stating intent. Is it the intent that you find scummy moreso than the reasoning? If it's the reasoning, why were you not pushing clockworkgirl for it?

I consider floating a scummy idea but trying to back off from actually doing it as scummier than what clock is doing, even if I do have a slight scum read there for a similar reason.

Are you normally a passive player?

Im trying not to be overbearing. With a slow paced newbie game I don't want to take it over because that wont actually help me establish reads.

@SIV - Good rule of thumb for me is more questions I am asking a player about motivations, the more I read them as scum. Yooh is probably town. DRD I have nothing on. I4F I still think is likely scum
@I4F - Can you explain your vote on SIV? You haven't even mentioned him until just now. Thor and House are both older players. AI is a newer term (alignment indicative), I just tend to use the phrase "null".

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.5:

clockworkgirl (2)

- JaeReed, Yooh

SIV36 (2)

- clockworkgirl, In4Fun

Eclipsed (1)

- SIV36

Llamafluff (1)

- Tuberkulos

In4Fun (1)

- Llamafluff

Not voting (2)

- Eclipsed, daRealDodo

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 3pm BST on Tuesday 22nd August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-22 15:00:00)).

clockworkgirl and Tuberkulos are being prodded. daRealDodo has about 9 hours to post otherwise they will be replaced.

[clockworkgirl]

Here's my reads so far:

DaRealDodo I don't have an opinion either way. They're a new player and don't have a lot of knowledge about the game (I can empathise). Nothing they've said has me leaning one way or the other.

Llamafluff I'm still not sure about. I feel like he's got a good answer for every question and I agree with him on most of what he's saying in general principle, e.g. his most recent post. However I think that's more likely to be me agreeing about the philosophy of the game rather than evidence of him being town. I'd say Llamafluff is null for me right now.

Tuberkulosis seems town to me. I can't really justify that, just a general impression I've picked up. @Tuberkulosis what do you think about SIV36 so far?

SIV36 I haven't seen anything that's changed my mind but I've not seen anything to increase my suspicions either. He's still the player I consider scummiest.

In4Funs reasoning seems flawed to me which is making me lean towards scum. @In4Fun could you explain why you voted SIV36? Do you agree with my reasoning in my previous post or do you have anything more to add?

JaeReed, Eclipsed and Yooh I don't have much to say about. I'm not leaning in either direction.

It seems a lot of people are suspecting me of being mafia. I'm not and if you got that impression all I can say in my defence is that it's my first time playing and I don't seem to be particularly good at the game. If you have any questions to ask I'd be happy to answer

[In4Fun]

In4Funs reasoning seems flawed to me which is making me lean towards scum. @In4Fun could you explain why you voted SIV36? Do you agree with my reasoning in my previous post or do you have anything more to add?

@I4F - Can you explain your vote on SIV? You haven't even mentioned him until just now. Thor and House are both older players. AI is a newer term (alignment indicative), I just tend to use the phrase "null".

Please note that I didn't say I think Yooh is town. I just believe that one answer is truthful. Why?

I could be wrong, but I believe if someone is going to make up a lie, they are going to want it to be convincing. They are likely to pad down the details. Chances are, they are going to work a little too hard on it than they have to.

Yooh said they he was 'buddying' JaeReed for no reason. Based on my theory, he didn't make a convincing lie. Chances are there actually was no reason, it was just a silly comment. He could have been trying to pocket JaeReed, but that was the weirdest time and method of doing that. It makes the most sense that it was just a joke.

So, I want to put a rest to the "let's friend JaeReed" and work on something else. I'll remember it happened, in case something changes my mind about it, but until then I'm satisfied.

(At the point where I accused and voted you) You haven't explained your move, it seemed like you blindly followed Yooh's questionable line about buddying JaeReed. Was I the only one who found this weird and out of context?

I do that because she is the only one I know among others. No particularly important reason. Why is it concerned you a lot?

And I mean come on, how was I supposed to know this? I gotta ask the reasoning behind buddying someone out of a sudden.

The reason behind my vote on SIV is that he didn't even question this sudden post, like a town would do in this situation (IMO), he just went on and saying something like "don't worry, you're OK". Like sweeping information under the carpet, let town discuss this later on, delaying the whole process (this lines up with your post earlier on when you said:

Dude, the deadline is on the 22nd.

That's the weirdest thing I read thus far. Like, I get that it makes you sound really townie to want to get more info, but that was a really over-the-top sell.

And this has nothing to do with Yooh being serious or not. It's about SIV trying to delaying the process, trying to make sure town do as little scumhunting as possible. My vote stays on SIV.

Yes, we want it, but faster is always better. Why would you push a content from someone who post once every 2 day rather than someone who post 10 times every day, especially in RVS? The quality of post is also matter, though.

I think if you don't start applying pressure on someone who posts rarely in the beginning, they won't pick up the speed in time and be less of a help if he can't get up to speed when we really need them, in the later game or as soon as late Day 1.

I4F I still think is likely scum

In4Funs reasoning seems flawed to me which is making me lean towards scum.

Any not flawed reasoning behind thinking I am scum or are you just preparing the bandwagon?

[SIV36]

Llama says "Siv, not all people who are dealt the mafia role are going to be strange with RVS". My shoulders slumped, and I expressed to myself that I better let Llama know that he's right and I'm not really going to go gung-ho on tuber because I think all mafia-roled players will always be strange like tuber during RVS. So I told Llama I agree, which I guess people around here become very concerned about. *shrugs*

Hol' up, I'm a little bit slow. So basically, you agreed to avoid disputation? Please don't say "yes, you are right" in apathy behaviour.

Omg, I'm holding up the game with this nonsense.

@Yooh: do all people who play as mafia always become uncomfortable, odd, and twitchy during RVS?
@Yooh: Does Llamafluff (the IC) lie about these things?
@Yooh: Please tell me why agreeing with Llamafluff is scummy, because I'm a little bit slow.

I'm changing my mind about clockwork *GASP*. She seems pretty town.

VOTE: Yooh

[SIV36]

Dude, the deadline is on the 22nd.

That's the weirdest thing I read thus far. Like, I get that it makes you sound really townie to want to get more info, but that was a really over-the-top sell.

And this has nothing to do with Yooh being serious or not. It's about SIV trying to delaying the process, trying to make sure town do as little scumhunting as possible. My vote stays on SIV.

Right.

Ok people, I just want everyone to know how much I want to get information as much as possible because I'm actually town. Instead of actually doing anything productive to actually get information, I'm just going to explain why information is actually good for town. Because when I explain that getting information is a good thing for town, that means that I'm actually town because I like getting information. So honestly, you really can't read me as anything but town because I like getting information. And telling you all how important it is.

So hustle up people because it really seems like we are going no where! Hurry up and ask questions!

Hurry

!! Don't you realize that when you read this, this is actually helping? This actually getting us somewhere? Because I'm Town! And because we are going to reach deadline with nothing! We are all doing nothing! Nothing is happening! Hustle! I'm town. I'M SO TOWN Y'ALL!

Hurry

In4Fun! The night is coming!!! hurrrrryyyyyyyy.

[SIV36]

Watch the irony of that being we lynch today or tomorrow XD

[SIV36]

Actually, I was being a dick about that. I'm just saying that to me it was coming from a look-at-me-I'm-so-town intention. But mafia doesn't just outright say LAMIST, they say something indirectly, but obviously suggesting it, like that they want lots of information quickly.

@Dodo: Are you one of the mafia?

[Yooh]

SIV36 I haven't seen anything that's changed my mind but I've not seen anything to increase my suspicions either. He's still the player I consider scummiest.

Can you tell me your opinion about Siv's #51 post?

In4Funs reasoning seems flawed to me which is making me lean towards scum

Why can't town make a flawed reasoning? Which part of his reason make him scummy for you?

I think if you don't start applying pressure on someone who posts rarely in the beginning, they won't pick up the speed in time and be less of a help if he can't get up to speed when we really need them, in the later game or as soon as late Day 1.

Well, that could be right. But I think that person naturally will try to catch up everything we left behind regardless his alignment or he would left behind and replaced.

@Yooh: do all people who play as mafia always become uncomfortable, odd, and twitchy during RVS?
@Yooh: Does Llamafluff (the IC) lie about these things?
@Yooh: Please tell me why agreeing with Llamafluff is scummy, because I'm a little bit slow.

1. No.
2. Preference things is a personal preference.
3. I didn't say that is scummy. Why would you think that? I want your confirmation because you said this

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better let Llama know that he's right and I'm not really going to go gung-ho on tuber because I think all mafia-roled players will always be strange like tuber during RVS

My interpretation is you don't want to have disputation with Tuber nor Llama, so you agreed with Llama's preference while you are still holding your belief that mafia always be strange during RVS. I am not saying you disagree with Llama, but you don't want further discussion about this, yet you still think Tuber is mostly mafia because the same reason you hold, so you agreed with it. That is my interpretation.

I'm telling you that I'm a little bit slow because I might interpret it wrong and I need to know if my interpretation is right or not before questioning further. What are you trying to achieve by mimicking me?

Actually, I was being a dick about that. I'm just saying that to me it was coming from a look-at-me-I'm-so-town intention. But mafia doesn't just outright say LAMIST, they say something indirectly, but obviously suggesting it, like that they want lots of information quickly.

Llama did something at that post. Voting and pushing In4Fun. Not only suggesting, but I think he wanted us to use him as example.

[SIV36]

@Yooh: do all people who play as mafia always become uncomfortable, odd, and twitchy during RVS?
@Yooh: Does Llamafluff (the IC) lie about these things?
@Yooh: Please tell me why agreeing with Llamafluff is scummy, because I'm a little bit slow.

1. No.
2. Preference things is a personal preference.
3. I didn't say that is scummy. Why would you think that? I want your confirmation because you said this

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better let Llama know that he's right and I'm not really going to go gung-ho on tuber because I think all mafia-roled players will always be strange like tuber during RVS

My interpretation is you don't want to have disputation with Tuber nor Llama, so you agreed with Llama's preference while you are still holding your belief that mafia always be strange during RVS. I am not saying you disagree with Llama, but you don't want further discussion about this, yet you still think Tuber is mostly mafia because the same reason you hold, so you agreed with it. That is my interpretation.

You might be reading a little too much into it. I found tuber questioning so seriously at that time strange, but I decided to just let it go. It was during RVS, so it was strange. But I don't know how I could tie tuber being mafia because he questioned clockwork. Mafia can be strange during RVS, but not always, and i thought it over that it may not mean tuber is mafia.

What I definitely don't agree with, or at least don't recognize myself, is that I have been twitchy as both of you have implied. At least you and LlamaFluff didn't contest it.

This is a very town response in my opinion. And there is other things that make me want to town-read him. (I'm convinced he's trying to game-solve, in other posts, etc)

And btw, I am a little bit slow (no joke) though I try to hide it. And I do consider myself a newbie at this game still. UNVOTE: Yooh

So far, I'm thinking I might have at least one or both mafia in this remainder of my process of elimination:

In4Fun
Llamafluff.
daRealDodo

Everyone else is starting to feel townie. VOTE: In4Fun

[SIV36]

It's about SIV trying to delaying the process, trying to make sure town do as little scumhunting as possible. My vote stays on SIV.

Are you saying I'm doing as little scum-hunting as possible? How have I delayed the game?

[LlamaFluff]

@clock - Can you summarize why you think SIV is scum for me? Also did you run out of time for your reads of JR, Eclipe and Yoo? It seems odd to put time in on earlier null reads and then not elaborate on them when they have all been fairly active (and I think Eclipse and Yooh reading fairly town).

@I4F/Clock - Can you explain your votes to me? They seem to just be "gut" which when we have deadline in a few days is not solid reasoning.

I still think I4F is the most likely scum here

If I were to vote somebody, it would be Bhoysterous. But I'd rather search for scummy lines than to vote out someone who is going to get replaced anyway.

This still really bothers me. He is declaring that he is wanting to vote someone that is not scummy for doing any actions, but only isn't because it would put him at L-2. I don't necessarily read this as town caution, but scum knowing that making a vote would be viewed as a bad thing so stepping back from it.

There is a slight chance that Bhoy and/or UP read in the PM that they were mafia, got scared and rather left the game but I wouldn't vote on them just because. And I had no intention of voting on either of them until they get their 48 hour warning and get replaced. I thought we are voting people who say something doesn't sound town, not people who don't say anything in the first couple days of the two-week long dayphase.

This also is confusing when paired with the first statements. If you have no intention of voting either until a prod, why did you start out saying that you would vote Bhoy if it wouldn't have been to L-2? This post doesn't match up to your first post, where you cast a net of suspicion at players who are not active.

What is interesting to me is that he picked up his role and left afterwards. If he started the game, posted a random vote, and left exactly after his very first accusation, now that would have been sketchy. But picking up his role, saying confirm and never coming back, that's just too random. Why do you even confirm if you don't want to play the game? I can't imagine them changing their mind after 12 hours, I don't think there is an ingame reason why Bhoysterous didn't play this game. But we are looking too much into that probably.

Again, after I push on him for the Bhoy stuff, his entire mindset seems to have changed.

The big push from I4F on SIV seems to be because he didn't question the "I am buddying JR" post from Yooh... but at this point I haven't expressed an issue with it, or clock who also has posted, or even JR. Does this make it not a tell or not?

We really need more talk though at this point. Far too few people are actually saying anything, and there are a few 100% null slots just due to no content which is a major problem as deadline is in less than a week.

[SIV36]

Sorry, now I'm spamming the thread. I probably should let others open up and talk. I'm probably way too much involved in this game and should step back a bit. But I found something else I wanted to ask others:

Does the interactions between JaeReed and Clockworkgirl ping other people's scum-detectors?

Spoiler:

VOTE: clockworkgirl

Name reminds me of Orianna.

@Jareed: You said you'd be free to post yesterday but you didn't. When exactly are you going to be able to participate? What do you think about SIV's posts so far?

I...
I did read up when I said I would.
But I don't have any real thoughts beyond Llama as town.

And I know that's not acceptable.
But basically, my strongest thought is "why did Bhoy confirm and not post?" and it feels weak and it's not real content... :/
Idunno. I don't get anything from SIV.
If you point me to a post I can try to explain why I don't get anything or maybe I'll pick something up from it? That might help.

Spoiler:

@Clock - What type of information are you looking for? You note that this stage is based on reactions, so what is a reaction that would make you cast a serious vote? With me now five other people have posted.

I'm not totally sure really. This is literally my first time ever with this game so I'm sort of playing things by ear.
From my perspective as town at the start of the game any one of you has a 25% chance of being scum so I'm looking for anything to adjust that probability. Its early days yet and I've not really seen anything that's changed my mind one way or the other. If I had to pick someone for a serious vote I'd say Bhoysterous just because they've confirmed but haven't posted yet and that's the easiest way to deny town information. But, it's only a been a day so they're probably just busy and we should obviously not be seriously trying to lynch anyone yet.
As for saying exactly what reaction I'm looking for, that sort of gives the game away as I'd be telling scum what they need to fake to convince me.

VOTE: Bhoysterous

You say you haven't seen anything that would change your mind yet you cast a serious vote on Bhoysterous. Care to explain?

Also, how have JaeReed been a positive force in not denying town information while Bhoysterous have?

EBWOP:
What a I meant to ask with my last question was; how has JaeReed been a positive force in not denying town information while Bhoysterous has not been a positive force?

I'll try to proofread my own posts from now on.

This might be scum? "Why my partner instead of this other dude?" basically is the hypothesis I'm playing with here. I could be reading too much into it and it could just be town trying to get information flowing but it just seems like a really random pick to go me over like, dodo or siv at this stage? Especially given clockwork explained the vote in the post Tuber quotes.

Well, you also said this:

If I had to pick someone for a serious vote I'd say Bhoysterous just because they've confirmed but haven't posted yet and that's the easiest way to deny town information.

And went on doing this:

VOTE: Bhoysterous

So why isn't your vote on Bhoysterous serious?

Ehhhhnnn I'm reminded of Thor and House here in the nitpicky nature. Might be playstyle rather than AI.

Also, with everyone being rather humble and modest in their posts, Lllama seems to stand out like a knight in shiny armour. At this point I only hope this knight sits under the right coat of arms.

I think it is because his role as IC, regardless of his alignment. But, I'm not sure if this is should be role indicative or not, because his approach is very ...townie? I don't know how scum IC would approach to town or to their partner, but I'm pretty sure LlamaFluff will say that is depends on personality.

Vote I4F

Why did you vote In4Fun?

Vote : clockworkgirl

Let's be friend, JaeReed.

What did you feel was very townie about Llama's approach?
Why did you scumread clockworkgirl at this point?

@Yooh - My vote is because I4F is showing intention to vote a player that has apparently flaked after picking up their PM, and has no intention to vote a different player who flaked but did not pick up their role first. Its a distinction that makes no sense, especially as there are players that had posted but had said literally nothing of substance. It feels like a deliberate choice instead of a natural one.

@SIV - My point is we only have two week deadlines. 20% of the day is over, and very little has been said. This little content is very bad.

clockworkgirl actually did vote Bhoy there though rather than merely stating intent. Is it the intent that you find scummy moreso than the reasoning? If it's the reasoning, why were you not pushing clockworkgirl for it?

Are you normally a passive player?

First Jaereed seems to have no paranoia or suspicion at all towards clockwork girl. The question from clock asking Jaereed why he hasn't posted seemed somewhat cryptic to me. Then Jaereed seems to like defending clock a lot. Note that his very last question towards LlamaFluff:

If it's the reasoning, why were you not pushing clockworkgirl for it?

Is not asking why Llamafluff doesn't push clockworkgirl. He's trying to make LlamaFluff seem scummy by saying he's not pushing clockworkgirl's reasoning instead of the intent. (Which is mind-boggling).

I gotta stop this though. I agree (again) with Llamafluff, we do need more participation.

[SIV36]

VOTE: ClockworkGirl WARNING: L-2

Sorry I messed that post up above. It only spoilered half what I wanted.

[LlamaFluff]

@SIV - Are you saying the JR-Clock interaction is only scummy looking for Clock or for both? If both why vote clock? You seem to be saying the JR -> Clock interaction is a reason to vote clock... but without JR scum first how does that apply?

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.6:

clockworkgirl (3)

- JaeReed, Yooh, SIV36

SIV36 (2)

- clockworkgirl, In4Fun

Llamafluff (1)

- Tuberkulos

In4Fun (1)

- Llamafluff

Not voting (2)

- Eclipsed, daRealDodo

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 3pm BST on Tuesday 22nd August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-22 15:00:00)).

Eclipsed has been prodded. Searching for a replacement for daRealDodo.

[JaeReed]

My god it is so hard to not just omgus SIV rn tbh.

Like, especially finding the whole thing about my interactions regarding clockwork to be disingenuous when I was clearly trying to do a reread and get my head into the game.
But I'm also painfully aware of how prone i am to omgus and wanting to break away from that style of play because more often than not I'm going to be voting town with legitimate suspicions and that doesn't help work towards a cohesive town.
.....but my god do I want to Q_Q

Llama my concern with the passivity is that I feel like you were doing this "sit back and complain" approach and not actually using your vote to get a wagon rolling or sticking your neck out for anything, y'know?

[LlamaFluff]

Llama my concern with the passivity is that I feel like you were doing this "sit back and complain" approach and not actually using your vote to get a wagon rolling or sticking your neck out for anything, y'know?

I cant force content or discussion when people don't post. The MOD is tied for third most posts in the game right now. I tend to be very methodical until I start getting solid reads, and when I get a strong read, that becomes very obvious. At this point I only have a few decent town reads, and a cluster of players who are setting off alarms.

Can you walk me through your thoughts on why you would even want to OMGUS vote SIV here? From what I am reading, you are upset because he is saying that he thinks you are a good choice of a partner to clock. The worst part of it to me is that they are voting clock and not you instead, as they are using an "If A then B" thought process but just assuming A is true in their vote.

Continuing that thought...

@SIV - Lets say JR is town. Does that effect your read on clock?

[JaeReed]

Can you walk me through your thoughts on why you would even want to OMGUS vote SIV here? From what I am reading, you are upset because he is saying that he thinks you are a good choice of a partner to clock. The worst part of it to me is that they are voting clock and not you instead, as they are using an "If A then B" thought process but just assuming A is true in their vote.

I tend to be an emotional player that expects to be townread as town, even from just a short burst of posting. It's awful play and it's pretty obvious why I'd want to get away from that because entitled townies are kinda obnoxious yet....for some reason I...keep doing it. :/
You pretty much explained it, though in your follow up there. It's the way he's approaching the read there as a whole, it doesn't feel genuine to me. That said, I tend to find any scumread on me to be disingenuous and I find I'm equally as likely to deathtunnel town over it as I am to do so to scum.

The issue with that line of thought where "SIV has to be scum for pushing this" is the driving force, is that if I think about it a little more it's a circle around to motivation as scum being one of:
1) To setup a mislynch on me after bussing his partner.
2) To setup a false clear on me if I were his partner. < this one I find to be especially common where scum will declare their partner to be scum with a townie and then try to lynch the townie instead
3) To attempt to chain mislynches by going after the associate tell then being able to say "oh but Jae is still scummy independently of that"

As for 1, not thinking that's happening here as it feels super unnecessary for D1 and especially so being a newbie and a game where town is lacking in their play and pushes.
2, I know that's not happening here since I'm town.
3, eh maybe? But I don't have any level of confidence in that at all. Like I think as scum he would find it much easier to go after me there than to push clockwork?

It's a weird stance overall but probably not actually scummy, honestly. Moreso objectively bad/anti-town play?

[SIV36]

@SIV - Lets say JR is town. Does that effect your read on clock?

The main thing that I saw (or maybe it's confirmation bias) was that Reed seems to protect clock a lot. I wondered by putting clock at L-2, if Reed would respond again similarly.

@Reed:

If you OMGUS-respond to me scum-reading you when you're town, how do you respond scum-reads on you if you're mafia?

[SIV36]

Notice how I'm voting clockwork, and yet Reed responds as though I put

him

at L-2. I definitely got him acting a little unnerved. In my mind, it's either he really really has a confirmed town-read on clockwork, or if he's town, he shouldn't really care as much that clockwork is the one getting the pressure.