Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[SIV36]

I have more time to explain my read on Jareed. Sorry for just throwing in the parroting comment. It's not exactly what I meant. I was paraphrasing his reads on other players with his iso, and it didn't sum up very well. This is really intuitive and hard to put in words, but I'll put out an exaggerated demonstration to make my point:

JaeReed dramatisation:
"Whemestar seems scummy because he doesn't like walls. Getting a good feel from guyy with his digs. ASP really hasn't pushed anyone thus far so also reads as scummy. Llama is very helpful but kinda null. Clockwork being defensive is scummy and In4fun should really be questioned more from someone. Now I want to omgus SIV"

That's the abstract of what I see of JaeReed (Particularly near the beginning-halfway of D1).

[SIV36]

@JaReed
The point I made about experience really didn't need to be taken so seriously. Experience doesn't really designate alignment on it's own. Unless you had a little bit of a forer moment.

[WhemeStar]

lol I got to page 4 and was comfortable voting in4fun

That read was wrong.

Llamas posts seems fluffy, SIV is prob town

[WhemeStar]

Also jareed may be scum

[Nexus]

Mulch replaces Eclipsed. Thanks

[Mulch]

Hey all. I'm really glad I just got town because I wanted to game solve. I'm probably not considered the best player for newbies to look up too (I tend to have unconventional thoughts and post too much), but I'm gonna try and be as tame as possible

[Mulch]

Llama seems radically different than a recent town game I just played with them in tone.

VOTE: llama

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.9:

clockworkgirl (2)

- JaeReed, Yooh

SIV36 (1)

- clockworkgirl

Mulch (1)

- SIV36

Whemestar (1)

- Llamafluff

Llamafluff (1)

- Mulch

Not voting (3)

- A Simple Plan, guyy, Whemestar

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 3pm BST on Friday 25th August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-25 15:00:00)).

Yooh has been prodded.

[Mulch]

I think some of Llama questions early game are useless and aren't really an attempt to game solve. Thoughts?

[JaeReed]

Llama seems radically different than a recent town game I just played with them in tone.

VOTE: llama

What game and how would you say the tone is different? Can you try to explain that for me?

[JaeReed]

I think some of Llama questions early game are useless and aren't really an attempt to game solve. Thoughts?

Think they were an attempt to kick start discussion.

What are your thoughts on players other than llama?

[Mulch]

Llama seems radically different than a recent town game I just played with them in tone.

VOTE: llama

What game and how would you say the tone is different? Can you try to explain that for me?

Ircher mini normal, and no. Hard to explain tone, it's not exactly a describable thing. Perhaps I felt their questions were more purposeful

[Mulch]

I think some of Llama questions early game are useless and aren't really an attempt to game solve. Thoughts?

Think they were an attempt to kick start discussion.

What are your thoughts on players other than llama?

Perhaps. But the problem has persisted throughout the day.

Why do you townread him?

Uh, not sure. I've barely read and wanted to pick a scummy person to push considering the deadline

[JaeReed]

VOTE: llama

I don't townread him. I want more from your slot though. We can push this if it'll help. I'll check that game once I'm back from the hospital.

[JaeReed]

I think some of Llama questions early game are useless and aren't really an attempt to game solve. Thoughts?

Think they were an attempt to kick start discussion.

What are your thoughts on players other than llama?

Perhaps. But the problem has persisted throughout the day.

Why do you townread him?

Uh, not sure. I've barely read and wanted to pick a scummy person to push considering the deadline

The bolded is a valid concern.

[guyy]

i read the questions more as trying to help encourage newbies to generate content (ie not useless), but you're both right that the fact that it has persisted is noteworthy

was llama functioning as IC in the other game?

[LlamaFluff]

There is an extreme difference between replacing into a game that is about thirty pages in progress at the end of the first day with a strong scum read in a closed setup and acting as an IC in a semi-open game where most players haven't even hit ten posts. No matter what my role the approach is going to be different. What does he want me to do, just start calling people scum and pushing them when I don't think they are scum? The only player I have been pushing replied to a post of mine and then flaked. There is nothing I *can* do when the game refuses to participate and flakes away. What do you think I am supposed to do when a scum read doesn't respond and then flakes?

I think there is a non-zero chance Mulch is scum for this, because apparently he cant find any other scum read, except me, who he is calling scum because I cant find any strong scum read so am not pushing anyone strongly. If he cant find anyone else he is willing to call scum, he is basically scum by his own logic for the exact same reason I am scum to him. Im not going to just fake a read to try and push something. But this is far worse and more likely to be scum trying to take advantage of a situation compared to town acting on confirmation bias and incorrectly applying meta:

I don't townread him. I want more from your slot though. We can push this if it'll help. I'll check that game once I'm back from the hospital.

This really bothers me from JR too. It seems to be preemptively pawning off a town flip on Mulch and looking to line up lynches. If I die, he can now turn around and look directly at Mulch.

We really should not no lynch here. Its bad in nearly any situation where you are not trying to start breaking the game or getting some sort of advantage.

Vote JR

I know some people have called him scum in the past, and we have under 12 hours to have a lynch happen. With his last vote but comment to set up all of the blame at the foot of another player, this is not at all what I really want, but a lynch has to still occur or we are in a very bad spot right out of the gate.

I will probably be around for just a little bit before deadline hits, its just about an hour after I get up for work in the morning. Claims absolutely should happen before deadline, but that is why we need to do stuff NOW. Mislynching a power role is even worse than messing up and letting this day go to no lynch.

[Mulch]

Hi Llama.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

[guyy]

llama are you suggesting mulch and jaereed are scum partners?

why jaereed instead of mulch? if you're concerned about no lynch why not vote mulch, who already has a vote

[guyy]

oh nevermind i misread

you said you don't think mulch is scum. my bad

[guyy]

jaereed was not exactly silent about looking for a reason to vote llama

i dislike more the players that just stay out of the spotlight. it seems convenient at this point

VOTE: asp

[Mulch]

VOTE: asp


CFD!!!(

[LlamaFluff]

Hi Llama.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

Possibly, I am trying to figure out what are the chances that you are town who is just trying to force meta to work in a spot where it doesn't work or not. I think JR is probably scum though given his response which would make you probably town trying to make something apply that doesn't.

llama are you suggesting mulch and jaereed are scum partners?

why jaereed instead of mulch? if you're concerned about no lynch why not vote mulch, who already has a vote

As noted, the complete opposite. I think there is a next to zero chance they are both scum. I could get behind ASP... after an awkward starting post he ghosted on us. Like JR a bit more though. Just feel like he was waiting for an excuse to jump my wagon and Mulch gave it to him. I will try to set my alarm an extra hour or so early. Prepare for lots of 5am spelling errors.

[guyy]

oh the deadline date in the last vote count is wrong

[LlamaFluff]

I don't have to wake up at 5 anymore! Woo!