Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[SIV36]

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

[SIV36]

I apologize, Llama, for critiquing your comments of needing to hussle. I guess you actually had good judgement when you pointed that out.

[JaeReed]

There is an extreme difference between replacing into a game that is about thirty pages in progress at the end of the first day with a strong scum read in a closed setup and acting as an IC in a semi-open game where most players haven't even hit ten posts. No matter what my role the approach is going to be different. What does he want me to do, just start calling people scum and pushing them when I don't think they are scum? The only player I have been pushing replied to a post of mine and then flaked. There is nothing I *can* do when the game refuses to participate and flakes away. What do you think I am supposed to do when a scum read doesn't respond and then flakes?

Put pressure on someone else.
Push the replacement and try to get content out of them.
In my dive there I saw you're not opposed to policy lynching. Yet if you're lacking scumreads in the active players one would think that would be a valid reason to push a lurker lynch if you're not shy of policy lynches. Even

that

would give more content for us to talk about.
You're lacking a distinct drive for content which I felt you should have as town here - the main question was whether you're someone who can actually drive things as town. I don't entirely believe that you're incapable of pushing slots for pressure.

I think there is a non-zero chance Mulch is scum for this, because apparently he cant find any other scum read, except me, who he is calling scum because I cant find any strong scum read so am not pushing anyone strongly. If he cant find anyone else he is willing to call scum, he is basically scum by his own logic for the exact same reason I am scum to him. Im not going to just fake a read to try and push something.

There was a possibility Mulch was scum for pushing it but this feels like "why me fry me", basically. My argument here would have been that you had suspicions on Mulch in that other game so he would be pushing you to get rid of a player that might be able to read him.

But this is far worse and more likely to be scum trying to take advantage of a situation compared to town acting on confirmation bias and incorrectly applying meta:

I don't townread him. I want more from your slot though. We can push this if it'll help. I'll check that game once I'm back from the hospital.

This really bothers me from JR too. It seems to be preemptively pawning off a town flip on Mulch and looking to line up lynches. If I die, he can now turn around and look directly at Mulch.

How so? I did the meta dive when I said I would, so it's not like I'm just going to point at Mulch and say "he said it was a meta tell so he's scum pushing a mislynch with incorrect meta" - which would be such a rubbish push that I wouldn't honestly expect anyone to buy it anyway. I can see his point regarding why you could be scum here since you did a lot more in the last game he played with you. I can also see your point that you were a replacement and there was a lot more content to start from.
I was scumreading you for not attempting to drive the game forward (making no real push in content or votes/wagons) but didn't think it was a viable wagon for the day since multiple people stated they weren't lynching you today. What does a scum!me have to gain from pushing that wagon?

I know some people have called him scum in the past, and we have under 12 hours to have a lynch happen. With his last vote but comment to set up all of the blame at the foot of another player,

this is not at all what I really want

, but a lynch has to still occur or we are in a very bad spot right out of the gate.

I will probably be around for just a little bit before deadline hits, its just about an hour after I get up for work in the morning. Claims absolutely should happen before deadline, but that is why we need to do stuff NOW. Mislynching a power role is even worse than messing up and letting this day go to no lynch.

1) Think this is nothing more than dressed up omgus so far.
2) Your vote on me is actually what looks most opportunistic, since your scumread of me came as a "feels unnatural" after SIV and guyy express interest, which felt opportunistic in itself.
3) Please explain the bolded; because that reads like you're already excusing yourself for my townflip as a deadline push.

[JaeReed]

Hi Llama.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

Possibly, I am trying to figure out what are the chances that you are town who is just trying to force meta to work in a spot where it doesn't work or not. I think JR is probably scum though given his response which would make you probably town trying to make something apply that doesn't.

llama are you suggesting mulch and jaereed are scum partners?

why jaereed instead of mulch? if you're concerned about no lynch why not vote mulch, who already has a vote

As noted, the complete opposite. I think there is a next to zero chance they are both scum. I could get behind ASP... after an awkward starting post he ghosted on us. Like JR a bit more though. Just feel like he was waiting for an excuse to jump my wagon and Mulch gave it to him. I will try to set my alarm an extra hour or so early. Prepare for lots of 5am spelling errors.

Given you're pulling pre-flip associatives here.
Let's say I flip town.
Who would you say is scum so far?

[JaeReed]

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

What information does my townflip provide?
What information does my scumflip provide?

Same questions for Eclipsed/Mulch.

Why are you chainsawing for Llama?

[JaeReed]

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

What information does my townflip provide?
What information does my scumflip provide?

Same questions for Eclipsed/Mulch.

Why are you chainsawing for Llama?

Actually, Llama/ASP.
You could be voting me for either. Slightly more likely to be trying to get a CW for ASP I think, since voting alongside Llama might be less likely for newbscum to do.
You don't seem to be townreading either of the other two slots and go back and forth on me a lot so I would like to know in your own words why exactly you think a lynch on me will net you anything valuable.

(Also you don't need to announce L3, just L2/L1)

[WhemeStar]

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

I'm townreading you because I scumread you once and you were town

Don't make bad votes like That please

[WhemeStar]

jaereed was not exactly silent about looking for a reason to vote llama

i dislike more the players that just stay out of the spotlight. it seems convenient at this point

VOTE: asp

How about not

[JaeReed]

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

I'm townreading you because I scumread you once and you were town

Don't make bad votes like That please

Why is that a bad vote?

[WhemeStar]

I think only saying "we learn more information with a Jareed lynch" is weak reasoning

Also didn't like the L-3, this can be Siv just not knowing he doesn't need to say L-3, only L-2 or L-1, or scum trying to be careful in their play

[JaeReed]

Also didn't like the L-3, this can be Siv just not knowing he doesn't need to say L-3, only L-2 or L-1, or scum trying to be careful in their play

I actually removed the latter half of this from my post earlier telling him he didn't need to announce L3 lol.

Talk to me about your 182? Why do you dislike the vote for A Simple Plan there?

[WhemeStar]

It's a lurker lynch and both town and scum can lurk

[JaeReed]

Who would you rather lynch then?
My current understanding of your stance is that you'd like to lynch me, but you don't want people making "information lynch" votes on me, and you don't want a lurker lynch because it comes equally from either alignment.
I think your pushback here actually might be more likely from town at this point because I can't see a reason for scum to not just join in with something here when we have more than one option but actually push back against both (especially given if ASP is your partner you already set the groundwork to vote me by stating I might be scum), however, we're at 3 days til deadline, and if we don't reach a consensus by then we'll no lynch, which we really don't want. Before a lynch we have to allow time for a claim, so we

are

under a bit of pressure here. If you have an alternative you'd prefer I'm all ears.

[Mulch]

That's a pretty scummy line



Llama, do you admit your much different than ircher game?

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.10:

JaeReed (2)

- Llamafluff, SIV36

A Simple Plan (2)

- guyy, Mulch

clockworkgirl (1)

- Yooh

SIV36 (1)

- clockworkgirl

Llamafluff (1)

- JaeReed

Not voting (2)

- A Simple Plan, Whemestar

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 3pm BST on Friday 25th August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-25 15:00:00)).

A Simple Plan has been prodded.

[SIV36]

I knew fully that i didn't have to post L-3. I did need to check for myself when I voted, and just casually decided to throw it in my post for other people because it can be sometimes a little difficult to find the vote-counts.

I was really liking either Jareed or Eclipse/Bhoysterous/Mulch for a lynch. I can easily see them both being mafia, but in case I'm wrong, I find the latter more likely. But that slot hasn't provided the same amount of interactions as the Jaereed. If I'm wrong about one of them, I'd like there to be more interactions to analyse for later.

Since I last posted, Jaereed is earning my consideration that he could be actually town. But I've still not decided whether I'm going to put my vote somewhere else.

Llama is now very town to me. I can't lynch Llama.

Considering my (limited) experience, mafia could be just subtly back-sitting (taking it easy) as they watch the town rip themselves apart. But the problem in filtering people based on that is that half the town are doing the same thing.

What is up with the deadline? Do we have another 3 days? And if we have less time than that, I'd suggest arguing/question-time be over. If we have little time left we all should settle on a lynch.

[JaeReed]

That's a pretty scummy line

What is?

[JaeReed]

Llama is now very town to me. I can't lynch Llama.

What do you find very town about Llama?
Can you answer my earlier questions?

[JaeReed]

What is up with the deadline? Do we have another 3 days? And if we have less time than that, I'd suggest arguing/question-time be over. If we have little time left we all should settle on a lynch.

We got an extension for the replacement, it seems.
We still want to settle on a lynch, but you can do that while continuing to question and answer.

[JaeReed]

clockworkgirl, I see you're online. What are your thoughts?

[Mulch]

VOTE: jae


Sorry man

[JaeReed]

Can you answer my question? If you think I'm scum some reasoning would be good. I don't want this day to be a complete waste.
I don't get why you're apologizing if you think I'm scum either.

[Mulch]

Your scum because of gut.

[guyy]

mulch does that mean you don't think llama is anymore?

[Mulch]

mulch does that mean you don't think llama is anymore?

Ye