Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[SIV36]

The wheels of the bus go round and round.
All through the town.
Yay.

[JaeReed]

Your scum because of gut.

Not good enough.
I know you can give something more than this. Do it.

[JaeReed]

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

What information does my townflip provide?
What information does my scumflip provide?

Same questions for Eclipsed/Mulch.

Why are you chainsawing for Llama/ASP?

@SIV

[A Simple Plan]

My sincere apologies. Work has been killing me lately- I got called in Monday night, making this past evening five days straight that I've had to work; and if it wasn't for the "rollover" Saturday night, I'd already be into overtime hours for the week. Stocking jobs are exhausting...

Currently my vote goes on Mulch just at a glance. He is just jumping around on any potential wagon trying to see what sticks- when Llama was under pressure, his vote went there. He voted me to try to create a pressure wagon, and now he's on Jaereed who is, with that vote, the largest wagon- and all his reasoning has been absolutely terrible (Meta is garbage; wagoning an inactive is garbage; "gut" sometimes nails people (Micro 732), but is heavily unreliable.).

VOTE: Mulch

[JaeReed]

The wheels of the bus go round and round.
All through the town.
Yay.

If you're town this is entirely unhelpful. Please answer my questions.

[JaeReed]

My sincere apologies. Work has been killing me lately- I got called in Monday night, making this past evening five days straight that I've had to work; and if it wasn't for the "rollover" Saturday night, I'd already be into overtime hours for the week. Stocking jobs are exhausting...

Currently my vote goes on Mulch just at a glance. He is just jumping around on any potential wagon trying to see what sticks- when Llama was under pressure, his vote went there. He voted me to try to create a pressure wagon, and now he's on Jaereed who is, with that vote, the largest wagon- and all his reasoning has been absolutely terrible (Meta is garbage; wagoning an inactive is garbage; "gut" sometimes nails people (Micro 732), but is heavily unreliable.).

VOTE: Mulch

Do you have reads on anyone but Mulch?
Do you have the time to catch up tonight?

[WhemeStar]

@mod if yooh gets replaced will there be time added to day ?

[JaeReed]

Who would you rather lynch then?
My current understanding of your stance is that you'd like to lynch me, but you don't want people making "information lynch" votes on me, and you don't want a lurker lynch because it comes equally from either alignment.
I think your pushback here actually might be more likely from town at this point because I can't see a reason for scum to not just join in with something here when we have more than one option but actually push back against both (especially given if ASP is your partner you already set the groundwork to vote me by stating I might be scum), however, we're at 3 days til deadline, and if we don't reach a consensus by then we'll no lynch, which we really don't want. Before a lynch we have to allow time for a claim, so we

are

under a bit of pressure here. If you have an alternative you'd prefer I'm all ears.

@Wheme

[WhemeStar]

I not sure yet only page 9

[Mulch]

My sincere apologies. Work has been killing me lately- I got called in Monday night, making this past evening five days straight that I've had to work; and if it wasn't for the "rollover" Saturday night, I'd already be into overtime hours for the week. Stocking jobs are exhausting...

Currently my vote goes on Mulch just at a glance. He is just jumping around on any potential wagon trying to see what sticks- when Llama was under pressure, his vote went there. He voted me to try to create a pressure wagon, and now he's on Jaereed who is, with that vote, the largest wagon- and all his reasoning has been absolutely terrible (Meta is garbage; wagoning an inactive is garbage; "gut" sometimes nails people (Micro 732), but is heavily unreliable.).

VOTE: Mulch

I started the wagon on Llama, he wasn't under pressure. I voted you as the second vote, so I didn't create the wagon. Jae was not the largest wagon at the time. Meta is the most reliable way to do reads, and gut is valid af with only NINE pages to go on.


Any more blatant, objective, and indisputable flat out deadass lies you would like to tell?

[JaeReed]

Mulch why do you feel so different from mastina's and alchemists mini normals?

[Mulch]

How should I know, dude?

Probably cause I'm not spam posting

[SIV36]

@SIV[/quote]

If you're town this is entirely unhelpful. Please answer my questions.

From my perspective:
You have admitted that you are prone to OMGUS reactions. I feel insincerity when you say "If you're town", I think that was deliberately placed in there. It's clear that my alignment is not the main concern for you, otherwise you'd put more focus on it. This is all a defence of your position. Had you been a town, you'd mentally assume my alignment and work from it. It's clear you are seeming desperate to want your questions answered, yet you couldn't let me assume that you may know my alignment. You couldn't just say "Your post is unhelpful...etc" You had to throw in that extra piece of info to try to sway me from thinking otherwise.

And this is one of many flags that make me suspicious that you are one of the mafia.

Here's another example:

To him, he provides scum-reads based on how easy it is to push them,...argh... he makes all-purpose, generally agreeable arguements but little originality.

I'd say my arguments are original. Don't think I'm parroting others so I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

I don't think I get scumreads based on how easy it is to push them either because it certainly would have been easy to push you as scum if I wanted to due to you voting clockwork over me off of associative tells. It wouldn't even have needed to look like omgus in me doing so.

This answer raises huge alarm bells. I say you are mafia because you are x, y, z. The easiest response for a mafia is to just say that they did not x,y, z. Especially when saying that you did x, y, and z is a huge assumption on my part.

When I accuse someone that they waited until midnight, and then I say they probably thought they were cool when they strutted into my room to commit the act of stealing my cash, the most likely way a person would lie is: No, I didn't do that. I was asleep at midnight, and I never feel cool." It's a lot easier to just tell these half-truths instead of just saying "I did not steal your cash at all. " People take the path of least resistance, and saying "I am not mafia" when you are is more difficult than saying truths.

I can be happy voting JaeReed. I'm sure looking back, his flip could provide more information than Eclipsed/Mulch. But I'm not liking the posts so far from either slot.

VOTE: JaeReed (L-3)

What information does my townflip provide?
What information does my scumflip provide?

Same questions for Eclipsed/Mulch.

Why are you chainsawing for Llama/ASP?

First, you've had some interactions with clockwork, daReal/guy, tuber/ASP, and Llama. If you do flip scum, it might be possible for me to NAND-logic some people. A flip of an active player always gives information.
Now actually, when I stated post 175, I didn't put too much thought into it. I just was relying on the fact that the Eclipsed slot wouldn't provide any info from a flip at all, even though I scum-read them the most out of everyone. I was stating that out of the two scum-reads I had, your slot would have been more illuminating.

I town-read Llama because I can feel his genuine frustration with the game being full of lurkers and not getting enough content. Mafia wouldn't be frustrated about this, but they could pretend they were, although that strategy would seem more energy-costly for the reward it would bring. ASP only stated something about using game-breaking methods, and although I'm not entirely sure of his reasoning (Personally, I'd use game-breaking methods in a heartbeat if possible), it doesn't really say much about his alignment except that he's thinking about things to solve the game.

I'm not scum-reading you Jaereed to defend them. I have reasons that fall out of the need to do that.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.11:

JaeReed (3)

- Llamafluff, SIV36, Mulch

A Simple Plan (1)

- guyy

clockworkgirl (1)

- Yooh

SIV36 (1)

- clockworkgirl

Llamafluff (1)

- JaeReed

Mulch (1)

- A Simple Plan

Not voting (1)

- Whemestar

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 3pm BST on Friday 25th August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-25 15:00:00)).

clockworkgirl has been prodded. Yooh has PMed me to request replacement. Deadline is on hold until i get a replacement

[JaeReed]

And what information do you get if I flip town?

[JaeReed]

From my perspective:
You have admitted that you are prone to OMGUS reactions. I feel insincerity when you say "If you're town", I think that was deliberately placed in there. It's clear that my alignment is not the main concern for you, otherwise you'd put more focus on it. This is all a defence of your position. Had you been a town, you'd mentally assume my alignment and work from it. It's clear you are seeming desperate to want your questions answered, yet you couldn't let me assume that you may know my alignment. You couldn't just say "Your post is unhelpful...etc" You had to throw in that extra piece of info to try to sway me from thinking otherwise.

And this is one of many flags that make me suspicious that you are one of the mafia.

This isn't a scumtell by any stretch and I'm struggling to see how you could genuinely come to this conclusion, honestly. I'm trying to sort out if you're bad town or mafia. You're picking on my wording which is something that is ultimately down to how I type and my personality.
One really handy feature of the site is that you can go to my profile > View user's posts. There's a search bar there and if you type "if you're town" into it (with the quotation marks) the phrase will be searched through my posts on this site. Some will return posts like this where someone else is saying the phrase and I quoted them, others will be mine (be mindful of ongoing games if you're doing this - treat those as if they don't exist). There's 5 pages of results when I search myself for that phrase. All of the completed games that return that result I was town in, ftr.

These are my two scum games on this account:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p8426299 < 12 posts in 10 pages.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p8996392 < 22 posts in 19 pages.
Combined that's 34 posts total of me being scum on this account. There's no excuse to not read my ISO in those games and get a feel for my scum game. None of which do I use the phrase "if you're town".

[JaeReed]

This answer raises huge alarm bells. I say you are mafia because you are x, y, z. The easiest response for a mafia is to just say that they did not x,y, z. Especially when saying that you did x, y, and z is a huge assumption on my part.

When I accuse someone that they waited until midnight, and then I say they probably thought they were cool when they strutted into my room to commit the act of stealing my cash, the most likely way a person would lie is: No, I didn't do that. I was asleep at midnight, and I never feel cool." It's a lot easier to just tell these half-truths instead of just saying "I did not steal your cash at all. " People take the path of least resistance, and saying "I am not mafia" when you are is more difficult than saying truths.

You accused me of being mafia for things that I think are blatantly untrue. So yes, I'm going to say I don't see it that way.
I am not mafia. Happy? Of course not. I can explain that I think your reasons are bogus and that might actually have a chance of getting people to see what I'm seeing. If I don't do that then this just becomes an ego match of who can scream "No I'm not" "yes you are" the most and the loudest and that's not playing mafia.
I really don't even know what you're trying to push here. You told me I have little originality and have scumreads based on how easy it is to push them, and I explained why you were wrong. Yet you're now just using that as an excuse to stick in this weird tunnel on me. If you're town, you're confbiased.

[JaeReed]

I town-read Llama because I can feel his genuine frustration with the game being full of lurkers and not getting enough content. Mafia wouldn't be frustrated about this, but they could pretend they were, although that strategy would seem more energy-costly for the reward it would bring.

Uhhh
I don't even. This is so off.

If Llama were actually frustrated I would expect that to come across more in his posting. He's saying he's frustrated but he's not pushing for more content and pretty much disappeared the moment I pushed back on him.

Wanna know who IS frustrated with the lack of content? Me. Because I'm looking at this, going "I'm going to flip town and we've got 9 pages and no one is actually voting me for half decent reasons" and trying to get content and I have people like you making gloating posts instead of answering my questions which are an attempt to sort the lot of you before I go down. Because if I'm going down I'm going to make damn sure I'm confident in some reads that I can rub in town's face at the end of the game if they go on to mislynch me.

[JaeReed]

These are my two scum games on this account:
viewtopic.php?p=8426299&user_select%5B%5D=27722#p8426299 < 12 posts in 10 pages.
viewtopic.php?p=8996392&user_select%5B%5D=27722#p8996392 < 22 posts in 19 pages.
Combined that's 34 posts total of me being scum on this account. There's no excuse to not read my ISO in those games and get a feel for my scum game. None of which do I use the phrase "if you're town".

Also lol. I've already eclipsed both of those post counts combined in like 9 pages. I need to step up my scum game posting rates. I stress too much on the quality of the posts and whether I'm consistent and blah blha blah and then it takes me ages to make what should be a quick post.

[SIV36]

@JaeReed

You may have mentioned it somewhere, but could you give your thoughts on who's mafia?

[SIV36]

....I know you said Llama, but I forget if there was anyone else, and maybe your reads are currently different.

[SIV36]

If you flipped town JaeReed, I probably wouldn't get as much information, except who was pushing you (besides me). Between you and Eclipsed, you would have been the better lynch. (assuming I was right about you both being mafia)

[guyy]

i don't like that clockwork went missing

is it because people are now focused elsewhere or a coincidence

[guyy]

she was posting like clockwork but now she's not lol

[LlamaFluff]

I got caught up with real life issues today. Tomorrow I will get back on track but for now

@JR - Are you calling Mulch scum or no? You seem to suggest something off meta but are just floating it out there.