Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[Ginngie]

Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?

whats the context here?

[JaeReed]

Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?

Good question. Why do YOU think?

You're really not helping me sort you here. Please just answer the question.

[JaeReed]

Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?

whats the context here?

I'll explain it after I get my answer.
Question for you. You know when you come in as a replacement to look at the largest wagon as town. Yet you had no read on me when you decided to derail it. I really do need to know exactly why you have no read on me having actually seen firsthand how garbage my scum play is. I find it really hard to believe you as town don't have a read on me. If you could quote posts where you waffle on me and explain why that'd be helpful.

[Ginngie]

Question for you. You know when you come in as a replacement to look at the largest wagon as town. Yet you had no read on me when you decided to derail it. I really do need to know exactly why you have no read on me having actually seen firsthand how garbage my scum play is. I find it really hard to believe you as town don't have a read on me. If you could quote posts where you waffle on me and explain why that'd be helpful.

"You know when you come in as a replacement to look at the largest wagon as town"
?

If I don't interact with people then I have a hard time reading people, and given only a 10 page game, it's kinda weird to press me for having no experience actually reading you or trying to read you and saying I don't know.

I'm I not allowed to not know something? What is your reasoning for thinking I should have the ability to pinpoint your alignment?

[JaeReed]

You've seen my play when I've been both town and scum.

[Ginngie]

>_>

when???

[JaeReed]

Civ maf we were scum together.
For Us you were scum and I was town. < particularly this one I'm worried about because there's clear scum motivation in you refusing to read me after your defense of our slot there made me point out your posts to mastina and had us agree you were scum for it.

[Ginngie]

For Us you were scum and I was town. < particularly this one I'm worried about because there's clear scum motivation in you refusing to read me after your defense of our slot there made me point out your posts to mastina and had us agree you were scum for it.

Both times I knew your alignment...

I dont have experience

AS TOWN, trying to read you.

I never had to try and read you Jae.

WITH THAT SAID.

NEEDING TO INTERACT TO GET GOOD READS

AND NOT INTERACTING

AND NEVER HAVING ANY EXPERIENCE TRYING TO SORT YOU

IS IT REALLY A SURPRISE

I HAVE YOU AS NULL?

and I don't get the connection to For Us either?

I double downed that you were town for your IC claim, and did literally nothing else?

That's quite the opposite of what I'm doing here? I haven't concluded you being town, I haven't white knighted you, I literally didn't interact with you until recently.

And even if you think that because I was scum, I should gain the ability to recognize you as town and scum, two major points. I played in Civ for less than a week and bounced; with the shit storm that happened, it doesn't really make sense when you think about it, to think that I cared a lot about your play and studying it now does it? Nor does it make sense for me to join a game, post for a day, never interact directly with you, and be on a publicly declared vacation and think I'm also studying you as well?

There is honestly no real experience we share so stop trying to chalk it up like there is something there.

[JaeReed]

I'm saying I could see you as scum having the wk go badly in another game then deciding to not have a read on me in a later game because the opposite got you caught.

But yeah they weren't great points, I just wanted to poke at you a bit. sorry boo. <3

I have some thing to check up on wrt mulch but you might be barking up the wrong tree and if I can confirm that I'll have some links for you.

[Ginngie]

But yeah they weren't great points, I just wanted to poke at you a bit. sorry boo. <3

This is sweet to me

[SIV36]

@Raya

I have answered all of those questions asked by other players. Some of them were frustratingly, ad-nauseam.

I know your scum, but only one other person here know that besides me.

Shouldn't that be 2 other people? If you're town, then it would be you and the two mafia.

Things like this........make me hmmmm.

Think about what you just said, think about it again, and then think about it a third time.

It must be a koan. Oh well.

So what does town-Mulch do there then?

He votes me?


Why are you asking weak questions?

Because I think your vote on Mulch is bad and im trying to figure out the chance of you being scum for it or just wrong town. ASP at least had some decent logic... yours is just "got replaced multiple times (which applies to your slot), opportunistic voting (not explained - and I think outright false), and bad case (again not explained)"

He also did vote you at first, and that apparently didn't effect your read so get out of here with that being a reason Mulch is scum. Threatening stuff like that isn't scummy. Its more of a meta note about a play type unless you legitimately are trying to argue that in no situation town-Mulch would ever put themselves at L-1. Town DOES do that at times, so again unless Mulch in particular you are going to argue never would, with some sort of reasoning, not an alignment tell. Its just a "trust player judgment less" tell.

Additionally he raises a good question that you refuse to answer: What if he is town? Its not like that should be a hard question to answer, reads are good.

@Mulch - So lets say if you were able to make Ginngie the largest counter wagon. Would you?

Your the IC of the game. How could someone's vote be wrong? Why are you discouraging people's own opinions, and forcing your reasoning on other players? To me, this is anti-scumhunting. Or a mafia. My suspicions of you are rising again.

[SIV36]

^I mean to the above, it's a subtlety between trying to find the mafia by catching made-up reasoning, to just merely telling everyone that they're reasonings suck.

[SIV36]

@Mulch:

From a recent game in your meta, I read that you actually liked being mafia. But the first thing you said in this game is that you were very happy to find your role was town. Which do you prefer to be?

[Mulch]

@Mulch:

From a recent game in your meta, I read that you actually liked being mafia. But the first thing you said in this game is that you were very happy to find your role was town. Which do you prefer to be?

Depends on mood

[Raya36]

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Siv's 84 comes off as genuine to me.



I'm having mixed feelings about Reed here. His posts seem genuine when he responds to Siv although Siv has a point in saying that he was responding to pressure on Clock as if it were on himself. I'll probably come back to this later.

[SIV36]

Gin and mulch are both town I think

Nope. One of us is scum.

Isn't this kinda like a confession? From your perspective as town, you shouldn't even be thinking like that. With the premise and you being town, you could only assume that Gingie is the scum but not you.

[SIV36]

I say that with a lot of doubt because I'm almost half expecting Llama to jump me by telling me I'm playing the game wrong.

[guyy]

i mean even if you're way off base i wouldn't blame you because a lot of this is very different from anything i'm used to

ginngie how sure are you that mulch isn't just outrageously stubborn

[SIV36]

I'd laugh if I put Mulch at L-1, and he refused to self-hammer himself.

[guyy]

nothing else really makes sense honestly

[Mulch]

Gin and mulch are both town I think

Nope. One of us is scum.

Isn't this kinda like a confession? From your perspective as town, you shouldn't even be thinking like that. With the premise and you being town, you could only assume that Gingie is the scum but not you.

Exactly

[SIV36]

Gin and mulch are both town I think

Nope. One of us is scum.

Isn't this kinda like a confession? From your perspective as town, you shouldn't even be thinking like that. With the premise and you being town, you could only assume that Gingie is the scum but not you.

Exactly

Cool, that was easy. So who is your mafia partner?

[Mulch]

Gin and mulch are both town I think

Nope. One of us is scum.

Isn't this kinda like a confession? From your perspective as town, you shouldn't even be thinking like that. With the premise and you being town, you could only assume that Gingie is the scum but not you.

Exactly

Cool, that was easy. So who is your mafia partner?

?

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.13:

Mulch (3)

- A Simple Plan, Ginngie, guyy

JaeReed (2)

- Llamafluff, SIV36

Raya36 (1)

- Whemestar

Not voting (3)

- JaeReed, Mulch, Raya36

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 7pm BST on Wednesday 30th August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-30 19:00:00)). Please note the new deadline.

[Raya36]

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I kind of want to townread guyy for having the balls to go after me after a self-admitted to being an omguser but I know that would be one of the laziest reads I could make.

Eh, you have a point here. Not a strong point, but still a point. I don't see scum being as likely to go after someone who just said they omgus.


Should have a lot more time after work tonight and the next couple of days so I'll try to get fully caught up then.