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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:36 am

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Old laptop died, in process of trying to recover everything to a new one today. Should be back up and running full force tomorrow. Little earlier if everything goes well.

For now though I will go with this, as I still don't really like Ginngie, and really don't like the "Mulch-town has literally no effect on other reads" statement. Still feel like he is just powering this through based on wanting a lynch because its there over having a strong read.

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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:56 am

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VOTE: Ginningie
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:56 am

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@Ginningie would you wagon llama btw?

I think Llama is scum if your town, so if you DONT want to wagon llama, that must mean that your scum.
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:36 am

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llama, do you think mulch is scum if ginngie is town
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:36 am

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also vice versa
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:05 am

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Did llama seriously just ignore an entire wall of discussion?
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:19 am

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mulch why are you so hesitant to start wagons yourself
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:21 am

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HOW DO YOU SEE AN ENTIRE WALL

and go "she just want's a lynch, she doesn't actually believe it"

That is so fucking scummy
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:48 am

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In post 407, Ginngie wrote:HOW DO YOU SEE AN ENTIRE WALL

and go "she just want's a lynch, she doesn't actually believe it"

That is so fucking scummy
Do you want to lynch Llama?
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:48 am

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In post 406, guyy wrote:mulch why are you so hesitant to start wagons yourself
Well

If I start it, they tend not to get people on it. Must be my personality
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:48 am

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A bitch might at this point
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:51 am

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In post 410, Ginngie wrote:A bitch might at this point
If you vote Llama, I will join you.
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:54 am

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answer Jae's question first
In post 371, JaeReed wrote:Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:56 am

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In post 412, Ginngie wrote:answer Jae's question first
In post 371, JaeReed wrote:Mulch why did you self vote after the last game where you got teamed for it post game?
It's satisfying
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:12 am

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I'd rather have Gin Alive than Mulch

VOTE: Llama

Vote on Gin was bad
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:25 am

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In post 414, WhemeStar wrote:I'd rather have Gin Alive than Mulch

VOTE: Llama

Vote on Gin was bad
VOTE: llama
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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:07 am

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In post 407, Ginngie wrote:HOW DO YOU SEE AN ENTIRE WALL

and go "she just want's a lynch, she doesn't actually believe it"

That is so fucking scummy
Because its hollow logic that favors volume over any solid points and I am on a phone until I can get my new laptop up and running fully.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:08 am

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You can always ~refute~ the points instead of just using a blanket term ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:09 am

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Need a vc but consider my vote/intent on llama.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:10 am

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Jaeeeeeeeeee

Mulch ~answered~ your question :P
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:18 am

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Votecount 1.14:


Mulch (3)
- A Simple Plan, Ginngie, guyy
Llamafluff (2)
- Whemestar, Mulch
JaeReed (1)
- SIV36
Ginngie (1)
- Llamafluff,

Not voting (2)
- JaeReed, Raya36

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 7pm BST on Wednesday 30th August 2017 ((expired on 2017-08-30 19:00:00)). Please note the new deadline.
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:45 am

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In post 419, Ginngie wrote:Jaeeeeeeeeee

Mulch ~answered~ your question :P
Yeah, it's not really an answer though. :/
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 1#p9509371
So thing is Mulch self voted here and pushed a lynch through on himself because he was sure project was scum.
I'm struggling to reconcile Mulch who is not spam posting anymore due to ppl complaining that game he should be banned for it with Mulch who self votes despite the same thing in the same game.
It's not really a case so much as a weird thing tho. As in, I can see either alignment doing it. tbh the answer I was expecting was pretty much "because it worked" and that would have been fine but eh. I can't get inside Mulch's mindset at all :/

Llama's vote is again opportunistic tho.
I'll check again when I finish work to be sure I want Llama over Mulch since I just made myself late (but it's worth it for you, Ginngie <3). Also want to see Raya's full catchup before we lynch.
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:25 pm

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I like the reasoning in Siv's , however, I don't like that he says that it almost makes him lock scum. While the back-pedalling is scummy I think it's still possible it could have come from town. Do you still think this slot is scum and have they done anything else you consider scummy to back up you scumread if you still have one?

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In post 158, Mulch wrote:I think some of Llama questions early game are useless and aren't really an attempt to game solve. Thoughts?
Took a look into this. The first question to Clock sounds a bit like something you might find during RQS. I don't see it being entirely helpful besides getting a slight idea on Clock's meta. I like the question to Siv a bit better though. Something that encourages discussion better related to the game although I'm not quite sure what he expected to get out of asking someone what they think about Clock answering a basic question about RVS. Seemed NAI to me. Later in post 24 his questions seem a bit more helpful as they could potentially lead to something AI.
In post 163, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: llama

I don't townread him. I want more from your slot though. We can push this if it'll help. I'll check that game once I'm back from the hospital.
This seems opportunistic. A new player comes in and says they want to push Llama who throughout the game has been called unhelpful towards moving the game or null then suddenly jumps on the wagon.

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In post 184, WhemeStar wrote: Also didn't like the L-3, this can be Siv just not knowing he doesn't need to say L-3, only L-2 or L-1, or scum trying to be careful in their play
Can you explain what you mean by scum trying to be careful in their play? How does stating L-3 make you think that?
In post 190, SIV36 wrote: Considering my (limited) experience, mafia could be just subtly back-sitting (taking it easy) as they watch the town rip themselves apart. But the problem in filtering people based on that is that half the town are doing the same thing.
I've liked basically all of your posts up to this. You just stated several reads including people you were willing to lynch but this paragraph is basically saying anyone could be scum which kind of sounds like you're opening up your options for later or to be wrong after a lynch goes through that you pushed.
In post 197, Mulch wrote:Your scum because of gut.
Not a fan of this. I haven't played many games with Mulch so I don't know if this is normal or not but it's veru weak reasoning, scum could do it easily, and it doesn't help us get a read on Mulch either. Plus it's opportunistic.

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Ginngies list looks good to me. I'm getting a good town impression.

Not sure what game advancing imformation Mulch plans on getting from asking "what if I flip town?"
In post 241, Mulch wrote:VOTE: giningie

You know I will flip town and therefore are being akward when asked how you would react if I flip town.
OMGUS?
In post 244, Mulch wrote:You may say this but people will look back on this later game and see :)

The difference between you and me is that I don't truly care if I'm lynched but you do care
Why don't you care if you get lynched?

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In post 255, Mulch wrote:You have it because your scum. As of now, I am having no further contact with you. Enjoy the scum lynch tmrw if I'm lynched.
Why wouldn't you want to talk to him more to try to get a better read?

That selfvote... can't tell if Mulch is scum or anti-town.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:12 pm

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In post 422, Raya36 wrote:
In post 190, SIV36 wrote: Considering my (limited) experience, mafia could be just subtly back-sitting (taking it easy) as they watch the town rip themselves apart. But the problem in filtering people based on that is that half the town are doing the same thing.
I've liked basically all of your posts up to this. You just stated several reads including people you were willing to lynch but this paragraph is basically saying anyone could be scum which kind of sounds like you're opening up your options for later or to be wrong after a lynch goes through that you pushed.
I remember when I said that, I was starting to majorly self-doubt my reads. I still am to this point; it's like I'm surrounded by a stormy cloud of what-ifs.

@all
I'm wanting to vote Mulch, as this player is the most suspicious to me. One major reason is the half-answers that we consistently get from him. Another being non-convincing voting reasons plus the thoughts I've had earlier. This is the player I've got the highest percent suspicion of. But if I do, I'll put him at L-1, and even though I'm really suspecting him as mafia, I don't really want the day ending early. I think it's for the most benefit that we get as much information as we can until we have to make a lynch. So I'm stalling my vote at the moment and reading all your interesting comments.
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:28 pm

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In post 277, Mulch wrote:Llama is super scummy right now lol
Can you elaborate? Also why are you still voting for yourself at this point rather than Llama?

Also can I hear a full case on Ginngie from you?
In post 299, Mulch wrote:Yes you will. You will lynch me, I will flip town, and then you can lynch Ginningie tomorrow,


or don't and lose.
What makes you so confident that we will follow through with your plan. As I see it you seem to be the only one on board and there is no real reason to Ginngie if you flip town so why would we?

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In post 304, Mulch wrote:I know that Ginnigie is scum because they were afraid to talk about what would happen if I flip town and in my vast experience playing forum mafia that has never, ever been a reaction from a town.
This isn't that strong at all.
In post 306, guyy wrote:you scum reading ginngie is not the issue here

it could be. but you chose to make it weirdly about lynching you instead
This!

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At this point I'm starting to think Mulch is scum trying to distract town. I mean, he's done a good job if that's the case. How many pages has he kept the focus on him while not allowing anything actually productive to happen?

I've been tossing around the idea of Llama/Mulch and Jae/Mulch. I still need to look into which of the three I want to vote for the most right now though.
In post 421, JaeReed wrote:Also want to see Raya's full catchup before we lynch.
Consider it done.
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