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[Dunkerdoodles]

VC 1.5

Vote Count 1.5

There are 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes for a lynch

(4) Kokochi Oma:

Lord Gurgi, mozamis, Impede, Assemblerotws

L-3!

(4) Impede:

Nero Cain, Kokichi Oma, Flavor Leaf, Sunlit Diamond

L-3!

(1) Shinobi:

A Simple Plan

(1) A Simple Plan:

Shinobi

(0) mozamis:

(0) Sunlit Diamond:

(0) Flavor Leaf:

(0) Lapsa:

(0) Bory:

(0) Assemblerotws:

(0) Nero Cain:

(0) A Simple Plan:

(0) Lord Gurgi:

Not Voting:

Bory, Lapsa, northsidegal

Mod Notes: Prodding Bory

I also got bored so I added player voting history in the OP for your guys' convenience! Hopefully it's helpful but if not thats ok too

Day ends in (expired on 2017-11-16 21:25:00)

[Shinobi]

@Shinobi - I get that you have more to work with, with Kokichi, but that doesn't actually explain why you're pushing ASP over other quiet players.

It does. He only pops into the thread to defend himself and he blatantly doesn’t care about what’s going on. The only times he posts are when I’m talking about him - that’s it.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Kokichi
Your expressed reasons for your scumreads do not line up with reality.
This is L-1.

If you’re going to make a statement like this you need to back it up - otherwise it just looks terrible.
@Nero - talk to me about ASP. I’m almost 100% the dude is mafia in yet he has gotten little attention.

Wow. You got me. Nice going, dude! *sarcasm*

I’m struggling to see how KO is a better lynch than ASP.

I'm struggling to see how trying to use OMGUS and low activity as a push make me a good lynch.

QFT

Not only is your vote on me not the point of my case, but it seems absurd that you had a legitimate scumread on me on page 2 or 3 and never bothered to talk about it or push it in any shape or form.

[mozamis]

there's been a lot of conversation that seems really weird to me and seems out of place in a regular mafia game

could be scum trying to confuse the thread

[mozamis]

Nero: It should look like vote: Impede This is a great offer. Its low risk and high reward and it comes with some great benefits. Firstly you'll get the adrenaline rush of being right and I'll be extremely grateful. Not only that, we'll be down one scum and closer to a town win.

makes me lean town? this whole post is pretty out there as scum. altho it is nero so who knows lol
but what is the case on impede?

[mozamis]

It does. He only pops into the thread to defend himself and he blatantly doesn’t care about what’s going on. The only times he posts are when I’m talking about him - that’s it.

its a bit of a lurker push tho.

[mozamis]

Can anyone else see how his posts seem staged?

its hard to tell. but you seem bit defensive

[Shinobi]

It does. He only pops into the thread to defend himself and he blatantly doesn’t care about what’s going on. The only times he posts are when I’m talking about him - that’s it.

its a bit of a lurker push tho.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

[mozamis]

no, i'm always up for lynching lurkers - but kinda as a "back up" option. end of this Day, if we need a compromise lynch, then definitely. But at the moment it just seems like you are pushing him purely for lurking. since town lurk as well,it makes it a bit of a crap shoot.
it would be good if he could participate more though, if only for P.O.E

[mozamis]

but yeah, ASP, Flavor, Assembles need to do something soon

[Kokichi Oma]

Still waiting on Assemble to respond.

[Lord Gurgi]

So why aren't we lynching Kokichi Oma? What would he need to do at this point to earn more votes?

[Impede]

How did I get to L-2 lmao? And why am I the subject of such a delicious sales pitch?

Sorry for being LA. Nutty weekend.

Nero, mind explaining why you're back on the Impede wagon? The sales pitch was nice and all, but there wasn't any substance to it.

Not a very towny way to get a wagon formed.

Well, can’t beat that deal.

VOTE: Impede

Had me at attractive saleswoman. Nice ploy.

Does the saleswoman have red hair and talk with a slight Texas drawl? #priorities

VOTE: Impede

What a goon squad. Do either of you have any actual rationale for your vote? Forming a wagon like this does nothing to benefit town... especially since I've already gone to my own defense. I hope you're ready to lynch this time because I really don't have anything else to say besides that I hope you are OK with getting scumread for the rest of the game when I flip.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, mind explaining why you're back on the Impede wagon?

I never left.

Not a very towny way to get a wagon formed.

not really linking the limp-wristed pushback.

[Nero Cain]

So why aren't we lynching Kokichi Oma? What would he need to do at this point to earn more votes?

Mayhaps you should hire an attractive saleswoman. That worked on Flavor and Sunlit.

but real talk, KO getting to L-2 without any resistance prob means this is a town wagon.

[Lord Gurgi]

but real talk, KO getting to L-2 without any resistance prob means this is a town wagon.

That's not even remotely what that means.

[Nero Cain]

but what is the case on impede?

the case on Impede is pretty much the same thing it was on page 4.

though I guess I will add that

I'm curious to hear how questioning anti-town play is scummy.

I definitely wasn't scumhunting with those posts

seem like a contridiction.

How is it scummy? Read that contradiction within his whole post.

I have to agree that this is really a stretch. I saved you the time of pointing out the contradiction by

pointing it out myself

. I even qualified the entire thing by saying you could be annoyed town.

The very fact that you'd jump on this with a statement like "this one needs rope" is so incredibly scummy.

VOTE: Kokichi

KO at L-2

(provided I'm not terrible at math)

I'm also not really a big fan of the "It's not a contradiction 'cause I already pointed it out!" argument. The bolded seems kinda hollow. I felt like the vote was a bit opportunistic and the area of his vote (as is yours) seems like prime real estate for a scum vote.

[Nero Cain]

That's not even remotely what that means.

you're right, I meant to type L-1.

but yeah, KO is prob town.

[Lord Gurgi]

That's not even remotely what that means.

you're right, I meant to type L-1.

but yeah, KO is prob town.

A fast wagon is no guarantee of scum being on the wagon. Not at all. Scum sometimes slip up this badly.

[Shinobi]

So why aren't we lynching Kokichi Oma? What would he need to do at this point to earn more votes?

Assemble being on his wagon shut momentum down quite a bit.
Mediocre votes have a way of doing that.

[Shinobi]

This Impede wagon is stupid too.
What did Nero even post to warrant people hopping on it?

[A Simple Plan]

I'm starting to like this Impede wagon, and I dislike the high and mighty "I hope you're ready to get scumread..." in 237. Classic Scumstrat.

VOTE: Impede

[A Simple Plan]

BTW, L-2 I'm pretty sure?

[Shinobi]

I'm starting to like this Impede wagon, and I dislike the high and mighty "I hope you're ready to get scumread..." in 237. Classic Scumstrat.

VOTE: Impede

What is this "classic scumstrat" you speak of?

[Sunlit Diamond]

The basis for Koki's wagon is/was levels of stupid, some of Impede's commentary has rung hollow for me (specifically the whole "I stand corrected" part, and the bit about pointing out his own contradictions), and Nero's post was funny. I figured in the absence of anything better, voting for my less-than-town read would get conversation onto something more productive than rehashing Koki's odd phrasing or lynching a lurker.

Although I see the lurker has resurfaced and his vote fills me with meh, so I may rethink this strategy.