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[Dunkerdoodles]

VC 2.2

Vote Count 2.2

There are 11 players alive, it takes 6 votes for a lynch

(2) northsidegal:

Flavor Leaf, Transcend

(1) Shinobi:

Lapsa

(1) A Simple Plan:

Shinobi

(1) Transcend:

mozamis

(0) Kokochi Oma:

(0) mozamis:

(0) Sunlit Diamond:

(0) Flavor Leaf:

(0) Lapsa:

(0) Assemblerotws:

(0) Lord Gurgi:

Not Voting:

Everyone else

Mod Notes:

Day ends in (expired on 2017-11-28 20:00:00)

[Kokichi Oma]

VOTE: Assemble

[Lapsa]

@northsidegal what you might not realize is that you essentially defended Shinobi in a risk free way

Hmm... Why should I vote Shinobi? Oh, I member - he's the dude being naked voted. Ain't worth bothering.

mozamis gave a read

yeah, i realize that and i think that's entirely valid. i don't want to get into a lot of theory talk but without even the pretense of a reason i'd default to not voting someone over voting them. i'm not even questioning your vote on him, i'm just asking you to explain something behind your vote. i presume you have reasons for who you're voting so i'm interested in hearing what they are.

you do realize that's just continuation and you are making it worse?

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop throwing naked votes around and start making your logic known, please.

it's a waste of time explaining vote reasons to scum

if you want to get scum lynched you'll need to convince other people to vote them, too. typically i've found that explaining your reasoning is more effective in getting people to believe you than just repeating your opinion. also, nobody is always right on their first guess - talking through your reads is a great way to make sure that they make sense and stand up to scrutiny.

anyways, just a suggestion.

Scum giving play advice does not equal scum having a fake town agenda, but it does come off townie despite being completely NAI.

[Flavor Leaf]

@northsidegal what you might not realize is that you essentially defended Shinobi in a risk free way

Hmm... Why should I vote Shinobi? Oh, I member - he's the dude being naked voted. Ain't worth bothering.

mozamis gave a read

yeah, i realize that and i think that's entirely valid. i don't want to get into a lot of theory talk but without even the pretense of a reason i'd default to not voting someone over voting them. i'm not even questioning your vote on him, i'm just asking you to explain something behind your vote. i presume you have reasons for who you're voting so i'm interested in hearing what they are.

Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

[northsidegal]

Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

Hmm, my obvious implications that I wasn’t talking about Shinobi didn’t go through.

[northsidegal]

Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

Hmm, my obvious implications that I wasn’t talking about Shinobi didn’t go through.

if you're talking about your vote on me, where did i imply that your vote didn't have any reason behind it?

if you're going to point to 405, that was me talking about your "arrogant" comment, not your vote.

[mozamis]

what about transcend

[Shinobi]

@northsidegal what you might not realize is that you essentially defended Shinobi in a risk free way

Hmm... Why should I vote Shinobi? Oh, I member - he's the dude being naked voted. Ain't worth bothering.

mozamis gave a read

This is bullhonkey - you haven't given a reason to suspect me so saying this doesn't hold any water because you have no way of knowing the difference wrt if she's defending me or not.

AKA stop dithering around and explain your vote, because anything you think about anything surrounding it is worthless if you can't discern whether the reasons for voting me/defending me/anythinging me are valid.

VOTE: asp
I should have previewed that first. Alas.

would any of you mind sharing a reason? i'm trying to be more active here and it'd get discussion going.

Quoting for emphasis. Stop throwing naked votes around and start making your logic known, please.

Says the person who vanity voted all of day 1 lol

Saying this is not only pointless but completely missing the point - if you have a reason to vote or not vote ASP, spit it out. This bit where you're taking potshots at me because you don't like my vote is annoying and useless when you have so little to base your logic on otherwise considering you don't have a read on him anyway.

VOTE: Assemble

This is not a terrible vote. I know you suspected him before but I'd like to ask you to post them again anyway for the sake of pushing a clear case today.

what about transcend

Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

[northsidegal]

Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

why so focused on the lurkers?

[Transcend]

Guys Shinobi

[Shinobi]

Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

why so focused on the lurkers?

Why are you not?
Is there some kind of lurker aversion here that I wasn't aware of until just this game or what?

[northsidegal]

Plausible, but there's just no way I lynch him before players like Assemble and ASP.

why so focused on the lurkers?

Why are you not?
Is there some kind of lurker aversion here that I wasn't aware of until just this game or what?

i mean, are the lurkers your top scumreads? why do you place them at the top of your "lynch list"?

[A Simple Plan]

VOTE: Shinobi

Low activity is, and has been, a bad push since 209. NSG's 438 is spot on.

[Transcend]

VOTE: Shinobi

Nsg is scum tho u kno u feel

[Lapsa]

because you have no way of knowing the difference wrt if she's defending me or not

intentionally or not - she defended you

[Transcend]

(0) Lord Gurgi:

who the fuck

[Transcend]

I got prodded. Kokichi Oma putting the competing wagon to L-1 with reservations looks really bad. Don't see any reason to revise my vote.

ite

this is green fellas

[Kokichi Oma]

How? I was voting them before the L-1. That's a fabricated read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are you assuming naked votes don’t have reason behind them? This isn’t RVS. If there’s a naked vote, then there’s reason behind that, just not directly stated. Might not have the words to explain it yet either. To me, this seems like an indirect stab at people voting you and it brushes off credibility. Scum like to have reasons for why they are being voted, typically. Town generally shouldn’t care, because if there aren’t reasons behind the votes, why should it matter? Playing the game will have people realize that.

i never said that there wasn't any reason behind their votes - i understand that transcend just plays like this and it seems like lapsa plays similarly. i know (or at least, presume) that they have reasons for their votes, which is what i said if you'll look at what you quoted. what i was trying to say is that while they personally might have reasons for their votes, nobody else knows what those reasons are - i'm not really sure why they're voting shinobi and without a reason i'm not going to vote shinobi myself. really, i'm just trying to be a larger part of the conversation today because i didn't really do anything yesterday, so i wanted to hear people's thoughts - that's why i asked for their reasoning.

Hmm, my obvious implications that I wasn’t talking about Shinobi didn’t go through.

if you're talking about your vote on me, where did i imply that your vote didn't have any reason behind it?

if you're going to point to 405, that was me talking about your "arrogant" comment, not your vote.

:shrug:

[mozamis]

@ assembles what r your reads?

[mozamis]

shinobi is so active too activ to be scum

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