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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:17 am

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In post 571, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 566, humaneatingmonkey wrote:flubb you dont have inconsistencies because you are consistently bad at your push
Cool,

Why am I in your scum team then?
Because your pushes is bad, you're synthetic, and recently your push feels like a lynch agenda rather than scumhunting.

I don't want to interact with your "case" because it's not even a "case" and I thought everybody can see that.

My scum team is not a team yet, just people I want flipped D1.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:18 am

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Kat,

You keep doing this thing where you wallpost your reads but still don't comment on the aggregate of their play.
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:19 am

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See, that's the problem. Bad push doesn't imply scum.

And you like, literally just said this.

You keep talking yourself into circles and then complain about me being aggressive when I call it out.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:21 am

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In post 575, humaneatingmonkey wrote:My scum team is not a team yet, just people I want flipped D1.
In post 497, humaneatingmonkey wrote:It's Flubb and Hopkirk, but Hopkirk-Buj does not make sense. So it could be sheep, as the third partner. Quote this in end game.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:21 am

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But your bad push (oh my god you're aware then!) is not coming from and is not progressing into how a town push would, and there's a lot of equity for you to push me here.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:21 am

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Seph, that's not a team. That's just saying Flubb-Hop. Notice how I said Buj doesn't even fit there.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:22 am

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In post 549, Flubbernugget wrote:Kat

The problem with that is that I'm more convinced on hop's portrayal than hum.

Though tbf, that's more along the lines of HUM being scum than me checking the citations
you should probably check the citations because hop's perspective is wrong and continues to be wrong even when he's held accountable...?
humaneatingmonkey wrote:im not caustic. im the friendliest person. im just calling it how it s. there are way worse people in mafiscum than me stop this fakenews
i dont really know how else to describe it

people obviously seemed to be annoyed by you bc this feels very you + me vs everyone else and sheep kind of unsure
Flubbernugget wrote:Kat,

Let's argue from the premise that hum was attempting genuine reaction tests.

Why can HUM then not point to a single thing about how they forwarded town? Why do you have to do that for him?

What does this say about him not willing to interact with me like he did with hop until there's evidence that people are starting to see what I'm catching on to? What does this say about the fact that it looks like he's faking reads? What does it say about him trying to get pressure off himself by calling my aggression uneccesary?
Because most people don't argue why they're town and let their own ISO shine or let other people step in? I'd be doing the same thing here.

Your other questions are all kind of loaded but uh

i can understand why he'd be annoyed interacting with you considering there's definitely an agenda being pushed on HEM, he doesn't look like he's faking reads, and i dont really have any qualms about that
humaneatingmonkey wrote:You know what this means, Kat. Hydra time after this game. If you're scum, I'll avoid playing with you again for leashing me.
dw im town :dead:

im definitely guilty of like lazy white knighting when i'm scum and i'm putting way more effort here than i actually want to
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In post 560, Katyusha wrote:I think these three posts show that HEM's intentions are transparently not to just off Flubber.

Him asking for a votecount and pointing out that a lack of a VC is an easy excuse for scum to "accidentally" quickhammer shows that he's at least taking precautions. If he was being careless and just wanted Flubber to get quicklynched, there's no point in doing this. He could plausibly be scum trying to get towncred from this but that's not the argument being made.

Sure, there's risk involved in leaving someone at L-1, but 193 and him taking precautions shows that he's aware of that and is specifically creating an environment where if that were to happen there would be sufficient grounds to analyze the hammer beyond an ambiguous "oh, well, it was an accident!".
I suppose. I just don't think its particularly hard to take that stance and appear protown as scum here. At the end of the day he does want a quick lynch, if not a 'quicklynch', namean?
Like I said, it's possible he's scum and acting protown to achieve an anti-town and scum motivated (assuming they are different here) goal. But I think weighed against the rest of my read on him it's more likely he's town using this for information.

I don't think it's remotely close to a best case scenario but there definitely would be some utility in a lolhammer happening at that point if I didn't unvote considering what HEM did, so I guess that's the difference between it being a quick lynch and a "quicklynch". There's information to be gotten from a quick lynch, a "quicklynch" is obfuscation.
Flubbernugget wrote:Kat,

You keep doing this thing where you wallpost your reads but still don't comment on the aggregate of their play.
I mean it's easier to summarize the aggregate of someone's play by just giving a sentence or two like I did with town!HEM and did with scum!Hop at the end of my case. The point of giving a wall is to show individual points that lead to the conclusion. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:22 am

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Huh. Learn something new every day.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:23 am

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Also, that's like a Day 1 "calling it" post and I'm still open to associative reads after the flip of one of the three. Otherwise, I want one of those flipped.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:25 am

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Really? It progressed from what was mostly a theory post into:

-> an issue with you dismissing me until I got loud
-> an issue with a bad read
-> an issue with you back pedaling to my initial point, ignoring what came out of it
-> an issue with a second bad read

None of those four require the quicklynch argument for you to be scum.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:28 am

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except your premises for thinking those were bad reads is glass and my backpedaling is just you calling it that. there was no backpedalling.
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:29 am

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i can understand your reaction for dismissing you if you were town!flubb, but you literally just ignored me back when i told everyone to ignore you lmfao. now that's scum!flubb there i guess.
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:31 am

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I'll stop here. I can go on forever but that means Moz can't catch up.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:35 am

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I had one post that didn't address you after you told everyone to ignore me. In my next post, I said something. So that's a lie.

Trajectory is a well established scum tell. It's not glass. Saying it's not a valid scum tell and then saying "oh well here's what REALLY happened" is, in fact, backpeadling.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:37 am

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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:38 am

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Flubb could you explain your viewpoint here more clearly then? Monkey's trajectory seems fine to me.

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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:39 am

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ok moving on. can someone explain to me what these last few posts that HEM made mean. I read them, but i was a bit confused on what he was trying to get cross
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:40 am

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In post 591, Navigator wrote:ok moving on. can someone explain to me what these last few posts that HEM made mean. I read them, but i was a bit confused on what he was trying to get cross
how much of the game have you actually read? this is a conversation that has been going on for a while.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:40 am

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Kat,

I don't understand how you can look at someone that goes from casting suspicion on someone to putting them at the top of their scum list to down into the scum pool as not faking their read. I don't understand how you can see someone say a player in their scum pool is making a consistent push and not think that's a fake read.
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:41 am

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And honestly, thinking that HUM's trajectory on his sheep read is willful ignorance is best.
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:42 am

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wait i saw the word hydra
can someone hydra with me after this game
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:43 am

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In post 594, Flubbernugget wrote:And honestly, thinking that HUM's trajectory on his sheep read is okay is willful ignorance is best.
Fixed, sorry.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:43 am

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In post 595, sheepsaysmeep wrote:wait i saw the word hydra
can someone hydra with me after this game
I'm down
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:46 am

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Consistency isn't inherently townie? What's the point there.

Monkey's justification for putting sheep in that post makes sense to me
In post 497, humaneatingmonkey wrote:It's Flubb and Hopkirk, but Hopkirk-Buj does not make sense. So it could be sheep, as the third partner. Quote this in end game.
like monkey has visibly been going back and forth on sheep since he's been defending hopkirk and very neutral with the Hop v HEM interactions - so in a "call the team in a post" esque post it doesnt stick out too weirdly

considering he doesn't think Flubb/Hop/Bu makes entire sense it's natural to consider other people, and he's either going to pick from a useless slot he has at null (UCV, Serg, Schism) or a townread. And sheep is the townread there that makes the most sense from his pov. picking a useless slot is meaningless here

fundamentally i think sheep is obvtown but disagreement is nai, and considering he's voiced why he has hesitance regarding sheep and has pushed it before this point it makes perfect sense
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:49 am

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In post 214, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 212, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i also dont like how you're defending hopkirk
i townread him, and i dont think he's a good place to put votes
what's wrong with that
In post 215, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i think the perspective is coming from someone who isn't town. just because it's not written in the wiki, doesn't mean it's not valid.

also i think your defense is not coming from someone who is town. even if hopkirk is town here.
like

it's a thought he's definitely had very early on

if you're eliminating suspects you're eventually going to hit your townreads and have to cut losses on what you previously found town
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