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[Chumba]

If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”

Or maybe taco is actually scum and they killed Nero hoping nobody looks into it.

Taco hasn’t done anything that resembles town play yet.

Standard Tacos.

What do you mean? Tacos doesn’t normally do anything? Why play then?

VOTE: profli

[profii]

because...

No need to point it out yet.

U can stew for awhile.

Not at all, that is enough of an answer for me

[Tchill13]

not feeling good about una or profii. fine with lynching either.

profii if not havo then who else is scum?

[profii]

Let’s see

randommidget - ?
Fykus - concern at that rush to lynch today, but had promised further analysis
Dunker - seems to be posting in a towny manner
Tchill - you seem to have ceased your concerning efforts to buddy me
Sergtacos - town lean on the basis I think he is getting stitched up today for a mislynch
UnaBombah - town lean
Lycan - town lean
Havo - set themselves up for a free pass today, null read but concerned.
eth0s - need more content, null.
Chumba - potential involvement in stitching up of Taco so scum lean

That’s where I’m at. Feel free to query

[Tchill13]

i dont buddy lol. i just point out play i like.

[Sergtacos]

If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”

Or maybe taco is actually scum and they killed Nero hoping nobody looks into it.

Taco hasn’t done anything that resembles town play yet.

this sounds like he's thinking too hard on trying to make me look scum. lol this guy is obv scum

[Lycanfire]

In my experience scum do not set up lynches with NKs, and prefer to audaciously kill the people that suspect them, especially when they have numbers to influence the town. Rarely do I say things aren't worth talking about pre-flip, but without a flip of Tacos/ someone in this conversation, this topic and speculation gained from it all lead no where.

[Lycanfire]

Don't see why Dunker, Havo and profii like me. Day 1 was shit, and just about everyone was shit. I may have made 1½ good posts, but Tchill's response is about par for the course. I don't like being pushed around by him, but this is reminding me of day 1 which makes me feel like this is a much better decision.

VOTE: Dunker

Race between Dunker/Tacos/Fykus/Havo/Profii to obvtown.

[Lycanfire]

I'm concerned that Havo is getting a bit of a pass. Yeah he did what he said he would, but at best that makes the action move from scum read to null, not scum to town read...

Let’s see

randommidget - ?
Fykus - concern at that rush to lynch today, but had promised further analysis
Dunker - seems to be posting in a towny manner
Tchill - you seem to have ceased your concerning efforts to buddy me
Sergtacos - town lean on the basis I think he is getting stitched up today for a mislynch
UnaBombah - town lean
Lycan - town lean
Havo - set themselves up for a free pass today, null read but concerned.
eth0s - need more content, null.
Chumba - potential involvement in stitching up of Taco so scum lean

That’s where I’m at. Feel free to query

Can you explain how Havo gets a pass? For the rest of the game "remember that time Havo hammered the self voting townie" will be a valid statement. Evolve read pronto and let me know how/why the conversation of "hey havo you made a shit vote" x12 would have helped town today.

[Chumba]

Chumba - potential involvement in stitching up of Taco so scum lean

In English please?

[Chumba]

Can you explain how Havo gets a pass?

I’m more interested how he said he was concerned Havo was getting a pass, yet gives havo a pass himself.

What’s that all about?

Nobody should ever get a pass imo. If you think the hammer was scummy you push it. If you don’t, you don’t.

[profii]

In my experience scum do not set up lynches with NKs, and prefer to audaciously kill the people that suspect them, especially when they have numbers to influence the town. Rarely do I say things aren't worth talking about pre-flip, but without a flip of Tacos/ someone in this conversation, this topic and speculation gained from it all lead no where.

Don't see why Dunker, Havo and profii like me. Day 1 was shit, and just about everyone was shit. I may have made 1½ good posts, but Tchill's response is about par for the course. I don't like being pushed around by him, but this is reminding me of day 1 which makes me feel like this is a much better decision.

VOTE: Dunker

Race between Dunker/Tacos/Fykus/Havo/Profii to obvtown.

Lycanfire - agree with post 306 in theory however, I think it is naive to assume the scum have no agenda and just blindly kill anyone who is a threat.
If this was the definitive mafia playbook we would have already insta-lynch Tacos.

I think the legitimate reason to put the 2 theories out there is when we do get the flip, we can see who was pushing for the mislynch or pushing to save a scammer depending on which way it goes so it still holds some value. Now we have got into the mechanics of it, people are more likely to sit on the fence so that’s a shame. There were tells to be had imo!

I also agree with post 307 there - although I say town lean, I didn’t think I needed to spell out that it is Day 1 and to make things super clear let’s say I had a scale where -10 was scum insta lynch, 0 was obviously null read and 10 was confirmed role by PR... given these early stages any town read isn’t going beyond 2 out of 10 or something like that.


In response to the havo queries - I caveat this by saying I’ve completed 1 game on this site and there seems to be some fairly accepted etiquette that we do a bit of RVS, then we get to L-1, followed by intent to hammer, closing arguments etc and then we do the deed if we think it’s the way to go etc.

The reason I caveat that with “I’m new here” is because I’m not sure how strict that etiquette is- particularly around day 1. On the one hand I don’t like day 1 as much as anyone and it was certainly one way to transparently move the game along.
On the other hand if you read it with a scum narrative the post says to me, there is a low likelyhood that the scum will reach L-1 so I’m going to declare I’ll insta-hammer and excuse myself later with “well it was day-1!” And scum know they can lay down a safe hammer

I’m sure Lycan will file this under speculation and I would agree - the reason I went for null/concern was I think the scum scenario is plausible but I was waiting to see if you guys accepted his plan was an acceptable way to play Day 1 in which case, less concern, or if everyone was outraged at the quick hammmer then the above scenario becomes more feasible.


Chumba - stitch up - apologies that’s a bit colloquial, it basically means setting up someone else to take the fall, I.e as per my scenario where scum lynched Nero to incriminate Taco. Obviously we don’t need to go through that debate again as i understand your position but if you and Lyc think mafia just kill threats we kill Taco today right?

[Chumba]

So tell me why you assume taco is town?

[profii]

#292

Scum!taco had to go into the night chat and either say or read his mate say “Nero’s on to me, let’s kill him” “surely town will read his ISO and look for clues as to why he died” “no no no”

Scum-team!no-Taco might have said “right who is looking scummy” “a couple of people have said Taco looks scummy” “ok guys find someone who was really gunning for Taco and town will think Taco nk’d him because of the threat” “kill Nero”

Click on Nero’s iso and it’s very clear he had a strong focus on Taco.

For me the scum have to manipulate town so the latter scenario seems way more effective for them than your plan so I’m happy to stand by it

[profii]

I’ll point out that there is also a logic that power roles should aim to play scummy enough that the scum think town will lynch them and ignore them at night

Obviously that has to be balanced with not getting yourself Day lynched but the point of the above is it absolutely contravenes your logic, Chumba

Thoughts?

[Dunkerdoodles]

VOTE: profiVOTE: [vote/]

Yes this is scum.

not seeing it tbh

[Dunkerdoodles]

Don't see why Dunker, Havo and profii like me. Day 1 was shit, and just about everyone was shit. I may have made 1½ good posts, but Tchill's response is about par for the course. I don't like being pushed around by him, but this is reminding me of day 1 which makes me feel like this is a much better decision.

VOTE: Dunker

Race between Dunker/Tacos/Fykus/Havo/Profii to obvtown.

i have reason not really related to your posts

[Dunkerdoodles]

i will say im not really a fan of the "this person should be scumreading not townreading me so they're scum" argument though

[Lycanfire]

If this was the definitive mafia playbook we would have already insta-lynch Tacos.

I don't see why.

I think the legitimate reason to put the 2 theories out there is when we do get the flip, we can see who was pushing for the mislynch or pushing to save a scammer depending on which way it goes so it still holds some value. Now we have got into the mechanics of it, people are more likely to sit on the fence so that’s a shame. There were tells to be had imo!

"DAE think tacos is town because I think tacos is town due to NKA" uhm, yeah, I suppose you encouraged people to in push tacos in reverse? Forgive me if your conclusion here (the rather expressive "there were tells to be had!") doesn't ring the sincerity bell.

Thoughts?

You care too much about the scum pt, get a better read on this thread instead.

[Dunkerdoodles]

lets say 1 scum was for sure on because morality self voted... id bet in order from most to least likely scum....

Lycan, una, profii, chumba, havo, tchill.

OK, this is scum!chill.
I want a votecount before I cast my vote there, no need for D2 to be as short as D1

The fact that Boon went the core-melt selfdestruction-route sort of bothers me, mainly because I still had my VERY MUCH RvS vote on him, and wasn't around during the end of day!
I would've liked to see more from D1, no matter who the lynch would've been.

I trust Boons ability to read Chill, Dunk and me rather accurately with very little to go on, but obviously there's the chance of a mistake (mainly on chill I'd say).
BUT.
Chill listing me as his #2 in the order of likely scum in the wagon makes me feel certain he is scum.

i believe this is town!una unless they are scum pocketing me again which isn't impossible lol

[Lycanfire]

i will say im not really a fan of the "this person should be scumreading not townreading me so they're scum" argument though

I plainly called you a meany mcscumpants for picking up on something I did but refusing to share with the class.

[Dunkerdoodles]

i will say im not really a fan of the "this person should be scumreading not townreading me so they're scum" argument though

I plainly called you a meany mcscumpants for picking up on something I did but refusing to share with the class.

explain pls

[Lycanfire]

I'll tell you in the dead thread.

[Dunkerdoodles]

ps why did you vote me
just curious

pedit: okok

[Dunkerdoodles]

profii is solid town for me