Mini Normal 1982: anagrams (endgame) (egad, men!)

[Tchill13]

So profii why talk about tacos could be framed instead of building and pushing a case on fykus?

[Tchill13]

Just because you town read me UNA doesn't mean I town read you.

[Tchill13]

Looking forward to when fykus comes in and contributes. Please don't wait for a wagon to be on your before you do that

[Tchill13]

Also like eth0s breakdown of the game. Didn't see much information he came up with on his own though so I'm still a bit weary but off to a good start.... Now back to waiting.

[Tchill13]

im wiling to lynch chumba, if he flips town, then lets lynch dunker

If you're town what do you think about profii trying to defend you? Do you think he makes a valid point or does it concern you at all he might be trying to buddy you?

[profii]

So profii why talk about tacos could be framed instead of building and pushing a case on fykus?

Basically I’m hoping for what you posted in 402

He made an error but I don’t see a ‘case’ - I see something that needs explaining, so I’ll push for one if he posts without giving one.

[schadd_]

Vote count 2.1

profii (3):

Havo, Chumba, eth0s

Chumba (2):

Fykus, Sergtacos

Dunkerdoodles (2):

Tchill13, Lycanfire

Tchill13 (1):

Dunkerdoodles

eth0s (1):

profii

not voting (2):

randomidget, UnaBombaH

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends january 22 at 17:30 central US time; in (expired on 2018-01-22 17:30:00)

mod notes

randomidget has been prodded and will be replaced lest he post within (expired on 2018-01-11 12:00:00)

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[profii]

Oh, Eth0s posted and it was sound. UNVOTE: eth0s

[eth0s]

Oh, Eth0s posted and it was sound. UNVOTE: eth0s

Did you just forget to do this earlier or something? I haven't posted since your response to my analysis

[profii]

Pretty much. Your post was good and so im not voting you. Gonna get my tablet where I can look through the thread more easily and decide what to do in a bit

[profii]

ok so here are some of my issues

UnA - i dont like this post 281
Sure, una was RVS on morality, but i would agree with Tchill and expect at least 1 scum to be in the morality vote pile, so for the town among us, that knocks out 2 players which narrows it down. Una seemed eager to defend himself against a fairly rational statement then twice for some reason says he likes the boon reads. 281 384



dunkers - to go as far as saying there would be 2 scum in the morality lynch, seems like casting shade on a whole bunch of people at once. I know that includes me but i did not like 272
I also dont like 274 - less logical and more gut feeling, but not knowing why the scum didnt kill you? I skipped past most of your posts up to now (reading ISOs) because they were mostly irrelevant or uninteresting, so given the odds are 1 in all townies except morality it never seemed likely. Plus a "i have reasons" potential softclaim for later/good measure.

Fykus - cherry pick analysis, 245 then in 257 (& 258) promises to re-evaluate his boon sheeping and come back to us. he has some work to do. His low activity is a general concern.

I'm going to put UnaBombah on the board

VOTE: UnaBombah

[Dunkerdoodles]

all right im back and will post thoughts on what's happened so far

i'm going to say this one last time and then be gone with it
i'm not trying to blatantly sheep boon. i was using his reads to try and help me find scum. personally i've seen boon been correct and i trust his reads.

that being said, you guys are probably right in saying i should try and evulate the game without considering boon so i'm going to try and not use his read anymore.
im going to be a bit mad postgame if boon was bang on though

[Dunkerdoodles]

Well no offense back at you but sheeping boon is definitely stupid. If you are town I can’t realy work with you. Your push looks scummy to me so you are actually in my scum pile.

And my read of tchill isn’t fake. I’m town reading him because he’s playing like what I have seen him as town and he and I have similar reads. I concede I am not perfect and could very well be misguided town but he looks town and you don’t.

You know what would make you less agitated and people wouldn’t probably stop treating you like you are scum?

Stop sheeping boon. Come up with your own original reasons for why you scum read people. Tchill is scum?

Great tell me why he is and don’t mention boon or his reads.

Once you calm down give that a shot and we can have a conversation. If you are unwilling to do that, I anticipate a lot more agitation in your future.

Good night and forget the game.

thanks for the post.
the thing that concerns about it though is that some of it it seems like you think im town when you clearly say you're scumreading me.
i mean you seem to do this a lot cause you've mislynched me a lot before but still

And a read list without any sort of explanation for them is about as useful as a one legged man in an ass kicking competition.

Re-post that with some commentary for each one please or else don’t expect to get credit for it.

It’s like common core math. Doesn’t matter if you are right or wrong but you have to show your work.

if you go back to my readlist in 327 you'll see i put at the top it wasn't necessarily supposed to be real but like just so i keep track of where i think everyones at.
like it's real in the sense that those are my reads but like i can post a list with explanations etc if you want.
i don't generally do big colorful readlists like some people so
also

Town: lycan and chumba

Null: everyone else

Can never read: dunker or taco.

Dunker attempt: I don't see how his play here benefits him long term has scum. Sure he gets one mislynch but that's it and due to experience I'm willing to town lean.

Tacos attempt: there is none. Null.

Scum tingles: UNA, profii

why didn't you pick on tchill's almost naked list if you didn't like mine?

[Dunkerdoodles]

Phoneposting for now, will be on comp. later today.
I believe in Boons gutreads, at least as far as to have some confirmation my own initial reads.

I'm feeling a slight disconnect from this game though, and that is mainly because I didn't get to participate a lot D1...

I'll look for quotes when I have a keypad and mouse,

but for now I have no trouble seeing Chumba+Chill, OR one of them pocketing the other.
I do not know why Chill scumleans me, maybe its because of my activity so far.

I do not like the fact he calls me a good townplayer, he knows my ego is very easy to masturbate.

^Town!Chill above

i said i liked una earlier but i don't like this quick turn around

[Dunkerdoodles]

Hey, sorry I haven't been active as much as I should be. Here's a longer post to compensate. I will try to be around more often in the future.

If my thoughts seem a bit scrambled below, that's because they are. Not sure I've analyzed this much text since high school lol. I think I need to post more frequently to keep from being overwhelmed like this.

1.

is randomidget getting prodded/replaced? Is derpy hooves even in this game? lol.

2. Can we

please

stop talking about Boon's reads? I'm honestly almost

thanking

Havo for hammering him. It's like Boon is GOD to some of you people or something. D1 reads are laughable and multiple points Boon made are already proven/likely wrong. Who cares what that guy thought on D1. He's dead now and was only a VT. Let's move on.
2a. Chumba and Tchill have made a few posts that have more or less mirror my thoughts on the subject.
2b. With that being said, UNVOTE: Havo.

3. Scumreading randomidget until they post or replace out.

4. All of the talk about why scum would've NK'd Nero and what they want us to do or whatever is definitely something to think about but some of the discussion strikes me more as potential scum reverse psychology in a way.

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Reads, because why not? (unlisted = NULL)

town-lean

-Tchill (in agreement with him on a few things. little/no visible hypocrisy or ulterior motive imo)
-Taco (he's the focus of a lot of convo, too many weak arguments as to why he would be scum, I think. Also not really trying to defend himself and I generally see that as slightly town behavior at this point in the game.)

scum-lean

-profii (although I agree with some of his posts, he has some sketchy theories, teetering on dangerous theories. Getting the sense he is trying to make us tear the town apart)
-Chumba (same reasons as profii, more or less. Seems more genuine though, I will give him that... also maybe wolfing taco?)
-Havo (

DAT HAMMA

)
-randomidget (

say something man!

)

other

-Lycan (mostly getting a town vibe but I can't shake the discomfort from 306 because of what I said in point #4 up above... using reverse psychology to create suspicion of Taco?)
-Dunker (More than a null read I'm getting a WTF read. Half of his posts I really like and the rest just confuse the hell outta me.)

Note:

I'm not a very trusting person, so it's pretty easy for me to scumread people when I probably don't have a real great reason to. I am of the opinion that my reads this early aren't that great and neither are yours.

VOTE: profii

99% sure I'm going to park my vote here for the rest of D2. Overall I would say profii and Chumba have most of my attention. Also want to see more from Lycan. Hopefully Dunker's posts will start to persuade me one way or the other. I want randomidget to be replaced and I definitely DO NOT excuse Havo's hammer 100% but I guess that's something we will talk about in the future.

I’ll point out that there is also a logic that power roles should aim to play scummy enough that the scum think town will lynch them and ignore them at night

Obviously that has to be balanced with not getting yourself Day lynched but the point of the above is it absolutely contravenes your logic, Chumba

Thoughts?

My thoughts: I generally do agree with your quoted statement and take this post (as compared to your behavior in the thread) as a VT softclaim.



p.s. What is s/s? Scum to scum communication? Like when people are trying to act like they're not teammates but they are? And what is w/w? I couldn't find an answer on the wiki.

i really like this catchup even tho i do disagree with the profii read

[Dunkerdoodles]

My first impression of day 2 is that everyone seems to have focussed on the boon-drama, this is a fairly natural thing to do I think but he was VT so although he appears to be a well regarded player on this site, I’m wary about considering he’s reads super locked on and wonder if the scum have used the natural drama focus to cast shade early

Let’s talk about this theory now.

Fykus and dunkers are basically sheeping boon.

Fykus did so incorrectly, was informed he did so, yet still kept his vote.

Wouldn’t these 2 people be people trying to take advantage of the boon drama?

Dunkers as far as I can tell is just straight up sheeping boon. I don’t really see him adding anything new for tchill and tchill and I share a brain about mafia and yet again we seem to agreed with each other and he didn’t even know it was me. So tchill I’m willing to say is lock town.

my read of these events is the same as yours.
I did not like where Fykus cherry picked certain boon posts and you pointed it out.

Dunkers needs to think for himself urgently, otherwise he is just using boon to say 'well he was VT and I'm sheeping therefore I'm making town posts and you shouldn't scum read me

'

again, this isn't true. i made posts not involving boon or his reads.
also i can't tell if this is ment to be a townread or scumread.

i do however like profii, imo the tone is genuine and there's clear thought behind his posts.

[Dunkerdoodles]

@Dunk.

Mini Normal 1952.

Boon is a good player right? I don’t dispute that. But MN 1952 is the only time I’ve ever played with him. And it’s THE WORST town game I’ve ever seen by any player in my entire history of playing mafia. It was spectacularly bad. Boon was scum MVP.
He can be and often is wrong.

he can also be right too you know.
this is a fair point but again, we know boon's not making up reads because he flipped town. you can't ignore them

sorry i keep coming back to this but gotta respond to the posts

[Dunkerdoodles]

UNVOTE:

i find it very strange that me and una and fykus i guess are the only ones that seem to think boon's reads have any relevance.

i guess it kinda points towards his reads being wrong, but like it could also just be like chumba/tchill/someone and misguided town and i could look like a genius.

the other thing is yall might be right that scum is pushing boon's reads aka una and fykus and i could just be an idiot and if that's the case im really sorry.

ok that's my last talk about boon i promise. i'm feel i'm kinda lost and i was probably confbiasing a lot so i'd like to hear what you guys think.

[Fykus]

Ok finally caught up, i apologise for not posting sooner. It seems the general consensus is that using boons reading is a no-no (for now at least, maybe tomorrow or something when we have a bit more info to reminisce on itll come in handy).

UNVOTE: chumba

I think the chumba v profii stuff might be tvt aswell as dunk v teech.

i liked ethos's catchup so town points to him, still unsure of everyone else although its pretty sketchy that midget hasnt posted at all. I've gotta head off for a bit but when i come back i'll do a more substantive post.

Since boon reads are off the table what about nero reads?

[eth0s]

Since boon reads are off the table what about nero reads?

Can't check his ISO at the moment but he was the one more or less trying to wagon Tacos d1, right? I still think d1 leads are gonna be pretty hard to confirm on d2.

I can complain all I want about people referencing boon's reads but no one has to like, obey it or anything, lol. I was just getting irritated as it seemed to be stagnating say 2 more than anything else. By all means use whatever reads you want to scumhunt with, I'm just a dude with an opinion haha. Sorry if that bit I said earlier came off as bossy, I just want people to look at things from a different angle maybe. My reads are pretty weak so I don't need anyone sheeping/buddying me right now.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Ok finally caught up, i apologise for not posting sooner. It seems the general consensus is that using boons reading is a no-no (for now at least, maybe tomorrow or something when we have a bit more info to reminisce on itll come in handy).

UNVOTE: chumba

I think the chumba v profii stuff might be tvt aswell as dunk v teech.

i liked ethos's catchup so town points to him, still unsure of everyone else although its pretty sketchy that midget hasnt posted at all. I've gotta head off for a bit but when i come back i'll do a more substantive post.

Since boon reads are off the table what about nero reads?

this is questionable right after i said he could be using boon's reads to push mislynches but i can't exactly blame him so

[eth0s]

i really like this catchup even tho i do disagree with the profii read

(above quote is in response to my 385 post)
Why do you disagree with the profii read?

i do however like profii, imo the tone is genuine and there's clear thought behind his posts.

profii does sound pretty genuine, about like he did in Newbie 1842. This is only my second game with him and I guess I hadn't really thought to contrast his tone now with his in our prior game since it just ended this morning. I don't really account for stuff like that though. Unless it's like blatant defensive scum rage. Idk. I'm gonna leave my vote there for now. Don't see anything that really shouts scum at the moment.

[Dunkerdoodles]

so do you have like a meta read on him?
ive never played with him before so.

to me he sounds genuine, but idk

VOTE: Fykus

i'm actually going to vote here for now.
i don't think anyone particularly townreads fykus and i'd like to hear a response to my post

[Tchill13]

Ok finally caught up, i apologise for not posting sooner. It seems the general consensus is that using boons reading is a no-no (for now at least, maybe tomorrow or something when we have a bit more info to reminisce on itll come in handy).

UNVOTE: chumba

I think the chumba v profii stuff might be tvt aswell as dunk v teech.

i liked ethos's catchup so town points to him, still unsure of everyone else although its pretty sketchy that midget hasnt posted at all. I've gotta head off for a bit but when i come back i'll do a more substantive post.

Since boon reads are off the table what about nero reads?

umm that part in parenthesis... if youre scum youre gonna push a lynch you know boon had correct to justify a mislynch later... so... whos your scumread fykus?

[Tchill13]

Phoneposting for now, will be on comp. later today.
I believe in Boons gutreads, at least as far as to have some confirmation my own initial reads.

I'm feeling a slight disconnect from this game though, and that is mainly because I didn't get to participate a lot D1...

I'll look for quotes when I have a keypad and mouse,

but for now I have no trouble seeing Chumba+Chill, OR one of them pocketing the other.
I do not know why Chill scumleans me, maybe its because of my activity so far.

I do not like the fact he calls me a good townplayer, he knows my ego is very easy to masturbate.

^Town!Chill above

i said i liked una earlier but i don't like this quick turn around

VOTE: una

oh man i finally feel good about a read on dunker. i hope i'm right lol.