Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[sheepsaysmeep]

Bussing is a thing. I don't have any problem with the Bu lynch considering how much it tells us. It seems like you are very afraid of a Bu lynch.

basically if the players on bu's wagon are bussing then it's a bad idea because they have other options that they can easily hop on to

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[Sephiroth]

basically if the players on bu's wagon are bussing then it's a bad idea because they have other options that they can easily hop on to

Oh, you mean how like several players randomly decided NOW was the time for a UCV wagon once the Bu wagon heated? Its pretty clear to me the sudden deflation of Bu's wagon was hesitance to bus on the part of their partners. The same thing happened with their wagon much earlier in the day.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yes I am very wary of a BuJ lynch. I said I no longer think this is a good lynch. I don't know how straightforward I can get.

It's also a bad D1 lynch. If BuJ flips town, so what? Can we hold these people accountable? Do we progress our reads? No. The people I think are scum are in it, and the people I think are town I think are in it was on it for good reason. Can we read associative tells from BuJ? No, there's nothing solid and it will produce a solid amount of WIFOM. Like how BuJ interacted with Flubb feels synthetic from BuJ but it doesn't feel the same way back to Flubb. If BuJ is scum here, this can look like distancing except it doesn't make sense for him to do that. It can also look like he's trying to get people to lynch Flubb instead. Neither is very strong and it needs some serious beef to hold some weight. Now, can we trust BuJ to remain in the game? Well, he has showed that he is willing to sheep people in wagons so I think I can bend him to lynch who I think is scum. If he resists, it's telling. If he doesn't, at least I got him to do something for me. Doesn't mean I want him in LYLO. But there are other lynch candidates than BuJ without these analysis problems.

Next.

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber could be scum here.

This isn't what wanting to end the day looks like

[humaneatingmonkey]

List of people who didn't want a BuJ lynch:

Monkey
Kat (?)
Moz

If there are more I don't remember.

Do you think these people are partners? If so why are you townreading them?

[humaneatingmonkey]

List of people who DO want a BuJ lynch:

Flubb
Hop
You

See why it doesn't make me want to lynch BuJ?

[Sephiroth]

That is not a protown rationale to avoid a D1 lynch. To claim there's nothing to find with associatives given there were two major wagons on him, which both mysteriously deflated, is see-through BS. The ONLY way someone is legit worried about this lynch is if its their partner. SOMEONE will be lynched today, Bu gives us a crazy amount of info, its absurd that you're worried that associatives are WIFOM. THEY ALWAYS ARE.

You haven't elaborated at all about how people on the wagon are scummier than him, and he was previously a very high scum read. Dropping that makes no sense.

[Hopkirk]

Flubber could be scum here.

This isn't what wanting to end the day looks like

Do you want me to go back in my iso to where I say your alignment heavily depends on flips?
I wouldn't consider lynching you today.

HeM could be with Bu. Know what the wagon was like when he got on it earlier. Nothing changes and he flips views.

[mozamis]

List of people who didn't want a BuJ lynch:

Monkey
Kat (?)
Moz

If there are more I don't remember.

Do you think these people are partners? If so why are you townreading them?

what? i've been pushing his lynch, i'm voting for him.
i said i'll happily change over to DoYou, because we need a lynch. But...no. Clearly i want a Buj lynch.

[Hopkirk]

List of people who didn't want a BuJ lynch:

Monkey
Kat (?)
Moz

If there are more I don't remember.

Do you think these people are partners? If so why are you townreading them?

what? i've been pushing his lynch, i'm voting for him.
i said i'll happily change over to DoYou, because we need a lynch. But...no. Clearly i want a Buj lynch.

@Kat/HeM: Given you've expressed dislike for my comments around a lynch, do you feel the same about Moz- who you scumread?

[humaneatingmonkey]

For example, Hopkirk is a great D1 lynch. Very great D1 lynch.

Right now, we're just making the most out of D1 by wagoning everyone and getting associatives so that we have more to analyze when people flip. This is why we're wagonning lurkers. I hope you understand the gamestate.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Now Moz is scumming it up too smh

I don't like how BuJ's wagon is supported and populated by my top scumreads and my recent scumleans. It throws me off so much.
I don't like how Sergtacos adds a vote to "add pressure" where there's already a lot of pressure.
I don't like how Moz is playing right now, and 'lynch all lurkers' is something I have observed scum does in D1 in my recent games. I could be wrong but Moz is still not in tiptop shape imo.

I have a fat list of scumreads right now. I need help. @Kat

no, i'm town. i agree with you abotu the BUj wagon, i didnt like the fact tha t you and Hopkirk were on it. before you get cross, for the record i think hopkirk is much scummy than you.
i dont think i've ever seen scum say lynch all lurkers day 1. And i re-iteratere ITS A GOOD WAY OF CATCHING SCUM.

ye but ye

[Hopkirk]

Objectively, Bu/HeM/Hop lynches tell us the most.

[Sephiroth]

For example, Hopkirk is a great D1 lynch. Very great D1 lynch.

Hopkirk gives us significantly less info than Bu. I really don't understand your reasoning here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

okay i misremember moz not wanting the BuJ lynch

and NOW i REALLY dont want the BuJ lynch. I don't care if this implicates me if BuJ eventually flips scum. BuJ is NOT the best lynch here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

[Hopkirk]

okay i misremember moz not wanting the BuJ lynch

and NOW i REALLY dont want the BuJ lynch. I don't care if this implicates me if BuJ eventually flips scum. BuJ is NOT the best lynch here.

Explain.

[mozamis]

For some reason, we seem to be panicing. We have 8 days left. But i dont see why people are resistant ot a Buj lynch. The only guy on his wagon that looks scummy to me is Hop - and maybe i'm worng about that.
So lets lynch BUj.
And if not, Doyou is excellent compromise.

[Sephiroth]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

You can explain it because its superficial, made up. There were two major wagons on Bu that rose and fell mysteriously with people switching sides. Knowing his alignment allows me to pick apart those wagons. If you think you know everything from Hops flip without actually rereading the day you're full of shit or REALLY bad town.

[Sephiroth]

Like if you're town I don't understand why you think you can bully your way out of this.

[mozamis]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

info is: he's scum.

[Hopkirk]

For some reason, we seem to be panicing. We have 8 days left. But i dont see why people are resistant ot a Buj lynch. The only guy on his wagon that looks scummy to me is Hop - and maybe i'm worng about that.
So lets lynch BUj.
And if not, Doyou is excellent compromise.

Doyou lynch tells us abolutely nothing.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because Moz is a scumread of mine and that's one more people I don't like pushing for another person's lynch that I also don't like. It doesn't make sense.

Also, Serg likes this BuJ lynch.

I'm just saying, the people who wants this BuJ's lynch will remain to be my scumreads anyway if ever BuJ flips town. If BuJ flips scum, nothing is gained because there are little or no associative tells to draw from. At least from how I'm seeing it.

Everybody pushing for the lynch, explain what you'll be getting if ever BuJ flips scum here. How does your reads progress?

[Sephiroth]

I'm just saying, the people who wants this BuJ's lynch will remain to be my scumreads anyway if ever BuJ flips town. If BuJ flips scum, nothing is gained because there are little or no associative tells to draw from. At least from how I'm seeing it.

So you know everything thats happened in the last 36 pages by heart and don't think theres anything in there that might take on special significance with a known alignment? Do you know how mafia works or are you really that lazy as town that you'll just say I THINK PEOPLE ON HIM ARE SCUM TOO SO NOTHING IS GAINED CASE CLOSED. I don't think this is your town game. Theres no way townHEM thinks we learn NOTHING worthwhile from a Bu lynch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

See, I'm being painted like I'm a bully here but literally nothing in my language is hostile right now. Just straight up analysis.