Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.11

votes

Internecine

(1): DoYouKnowDeWay

Flubbernugget

(1): BuJaber

BuJaber

(4): Internecine, Sephiroth, Sergtacos, mozamis

DoYouKnowDeWay

(4): sheepsaysmeep, Not_Mafia, humaneatingmonkey, Katyusha

mozamis

(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting

(2): Schism, Flubbernugget

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-01-19 12:49:59)

Mod Notes

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[humaneatingmonkey]

What are you trying to prove here anyway? That we should stagnate a BuJ wagon right now and go for a lynch? Aside from my gripe about it, this is not what we should do here. There are a lot of unreadables yet and Schism slot hasn't even showed up.

Now that I've mentioned it, why are we not doing the DeWay wagon anymore?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

This is bullying. You're saying 'produce the results of the flip reread right now' or I'm right. You know this is a fallacious line of reasoning since you know that a flip requires analysis to interpret. Claiming you can immediately say what happens from Hops flip is a) false and b) extremely lazy. and c) you still never let us know your amazing reads.

I'm not saying I'll be right. I'm saying you should explain what you will get from BuJ's flip because I want to know. Don't get pissy, man.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, you were never pressured so what's good Seph

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hop, Moz's wagon will not do anything now people townread him. It's just a vanity wagon.

Unless I'm wrong and people are much more open to a Moz wagon and so count me in.

Otherwise, let's get the unreadables to chime in. That's where we should focus on. If you're town, this is what you'll focus on.

[Sephiroth]

What are you trying to prove here anyway? That we should stagnate a BuJ wagon right now and go for a lynch? Aside from my gripe about it, this is not what we should do here. There are a lot of unreadables yet and Schism slot hasn't even showed up.

I'm trying to prove that your reluctance to the Bu lynch doesn't make sense from a town standpoint. Do you or do you not scumread him?

pedit: I've already explained that the rise and fall of the two wagons on Bu gives us ample information about all the players who were on or interacted with those two wagons. To get more details I would actually have to do the work associated with analyzing those wagons, something I'm not going to do if the flip hasnt even happened yet since its pretty much a waste of time. I think its pretty reasonable to give this explanation, and I have several times, and you still seem confused and still keep asking for details.

I've provided much more about how the Bu flip provides information than you have about Hops.

[Internecine]

VOTE: DoYouKnowDeWay

I'm down for pressuring this slot.

[Sephiroth]

Don't get pissy, man.

Nothing pissy here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Because Moz is a scumread of mine and that's one more people I don't like pushing for another person's lynch that I also don't like. It doesn't make sense.

Also, Serg likes this BuJ lynch.

I'm just saying, the people who wants this BuJ's lynch will remain to be my scumreads anyway if ever BuJ flips town. If BuJ flips scum, nothing is gained because there are little or no associative tells to draw from. At least from how I'm seeing it.

Everybody pushing for the lynch, explain what you'll be getting if ever BuJ flips scum here. How does your reads progress?

How about a Moz wagon?
idk if you're already voting there.

If Buj flips scum then my scumpool goes down a lot. If he flips town it goes down a bit.

readlist pls

[Sephiroth]

readlist pls

You know its an informative lynch when you literally don't even know the guys reads lmao

[Internecine]

UNVOTE: DoYouKnowDeWay

Wait that's L-1 after the shit before I'm not down for someone lolhammering here

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't get pissy, man.

Nothing pissy here.

lmao you've yelled at me a lot the past pages

[humaneatingmonkey]

readlist pls

You know its an informative lynch when you literally don't even know the guys reads lmao

He says this while you were spamming hate on me. I want to know more about it because I'm trying to be informed.

[Sephiroth]

lmao you've yelled at me a lot the past pages

Yell is your own perception, friend. I've been pushing you. I bold or capitalize for emphasis but I'm in no way yelling at you. I'm sorry you don't like getting pushed when your ideas don't make sense?

[humaneatingmonkey]

What are you trying to prove here anyway? That we should stagnate a BuJ wagon right now and go for a lynch? Aside from my gripe about it, this is not what we should do here. There are a lot of unreadables yet and Schism slot hasn't even showed up.

I'm trying to prove that your reluctance to the Bu lynch doesn't make sense from a town standpoint. Do you or do you not scumread him?

pedit: I've already explained that the rise and fall of the two wagons on Bu gives us ample information about all the players who were on or interacted with those two wagons. To get more details I would actually have to do the work associated with analyzing those wagons, something I'm not going to do if the flip hasnt even happened yet since its pretty much a waste of time. I think its pretty reasonable to give this explanation, and I have several times, and you still seem confused and still keep asking for details.

I've provided much more about how the Bu flip provides information than you have about Hops.

I find his posts scummy but TO BE HONEST you can interpret ANYTHING from ANYONE as scummy. But it needs to hold ground with facts. Votes are facts. How people interacted with people are facts. Does the theory that BuJ is scum holds ground when most of my other scumreads are voting him? No.

For example, I can interpret Kat being scum here that's been leashing me and piggybacking on my activity and securing her conftown status after my eventual townflip. HOWEVER, does it hold true with facts? It doesn't.

[Sephiroth]

Giving that level of weight to your scumreads d1 with no flips is pretty absurd if I'm being completely honest.

[humaneatingmonkey]

why do you think am I voting DeWay? lol

[Hopkirk]

Something like:
Town: Sheep/NM/Kat/Seph
Leaning town (due to POE from (and interacts with) scumreads): Flubber/UC
Neutral: Schism/Serg
Scumpool: Moz/Intern/HeM/Bu
Moz/Bu are not both scum there though.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm just trying to gather as many facts as I can so that if flips occur, I can analyze and end up with much more solid reads.

D1, I push people not because I think they're scum. I push people because I think they can be scum and I think their reactions and the reactions around their wagon will tell me whether or not I'm right. Is this not how you play mafia or should I go back to newbie?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hop, where did you get UC townlean and Flubber townlean from? Also why is Intern scum?

[Hopkirk]

Hop, where did you get UC townlean and Flubber townlean from? Also why is Intern scum?

'Leaning town (

due to POE from (and interacts with) scumreads

): Flubber/UC'

Intern as scum due to lack of any reason to townread, early game play that I think I covered, and the way they've sit back on the sidelines of arguments. Not a lynch preference as there's much less interaction info from it (except making you/Flubber move up a tier if he flips scum).

[Sephiroth]

D1, I push people not because I think they're scum. I push people because I think they can be scum and I think their reactions and the reactions around their wagon will tell me whether or not I'm right. Is this not how you play mafia or should I go back to newbie?

I mean sure it just doesn't seem genuine given that Bu gives us way more info than Hop and you weren't able to explain why you felt otherwise.

[Hopkirk]

Moz gives as much info as Bu given Moz flipping scum would make Bu town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hop flipping town makes some of my townreads scum. Hop flipping scum makes some of my scumreads town. This is not something I want to explain yet.

[Hopkirk]

Your scumread on me only makes sense as conf.bias or scumonkey