Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.12

votes

Internecine

(1): DoYouKnowDeWay

Flubbernugget

(1): BuJaber

BuJaber

(3): Sephiroth, Sergtacos, mozamis

DoYouKnowDeWay

(5): sheepsaysmeep, Not_Mafia, humaneatingmonkey, Katyusha, Internecine

mozamis

(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting

(2): Rem, Flubbernugget

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-01-19 12:49:59)

Mod Notes

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[Rem]

What do you mean by not seeing anything in Bu’s posts? He has a lot of content...?

I did not see anything that would indicate that Bujab is in the informed minority while reading the posts in his iso.

[Rem]

Not Voting (3): Schism

[northsidegal]

fixed!

[Katyusha]

Eh. I tend to townread his tone and like how he interacts with me (I played in his first game and he was scum), but I don’t really like the way he contradicts his own thought process a lot

Like his intent on Flubber and some of his votes didn’t really seem to fit his thought process

there’s a point though in that he’s kind of widely scumread

Do you just null him or do you think he’s town?

[sheepsaysmeep]

the schism slot to post

i guess i am putting schism aside until tomorrow. it's a "fos on the back burner"

iirc there are like 9 days until deadline
we can wait it out

[Katyusha]

DoYouKnowDeWay (5): sheepsaysmeep, Not_Mafia, humaneatingmonkey, Katyusha, Internecine

very town wagon imo

intern is kind of a low content poster but I’ve liked his stuff - probably my only doubt at this point

[sheepsaysmeep]

ugh moz is town

[sheepsaysmeep]

I disagree with UCV lynch. Feels like flipping a coin because people can't decide who to lynch.

blatantly avoiding the thread and not trying to game progress or know what's going on when he pops in
my vote was mostly for pressure hoping to squeeze out some content and it turned into a wagon lol

Feels like this game has lasted a week already .. has schism slot been replaced or at least prodded?

3 days i think lol

[Flubbernugget]

Again people were trying to derail the Bu wagon right before it got to lynch. Will be taking a good hard look at those people if Bu flips scum.

In fact...

dayvig: sheep

Dude...

You are like...a *lot* better than this

[Katyusha]

Are you two serious right now? 851 is clearly when I was mixed up witht the setup and 852 is where I remember.

Also following up on this

That has nothing to do w my question since you said you still wanted a claim

How does a claim help town!Hop at this point if we’re definitely not lynching?

[Rem]

Eh. I tend to townread his tone and like how he interacts with me (I played in his first game and he was scum), but I don’t really like the way he contradicts his own thought process a lot

Like his intent on Flubber and some of his votes didn’t really seem to fit his thought process

there’s a point though in that he’s kind of widely scumread

Do you just null him or do you think he’s town?

I think there is pretty decent odds that he just can't get into the game.

It's probably more likely he is scum then town but I don't really think it's worth pursuing a bit over 48 hours into the game since the issues with him will likely sort them self as the day phase goes on one way or another. I guess it kinda just feels lazy to me more then anything else?

I will reevaluate as I read the game but thats my 2 cents if you wanted my opinion right now.

[Rem]

Bujab felt moderately town to me someone talk to me about your case on him.

[Katyusha]

That Bu can’t get into the game or UCV/DYKDW?

kind of confused bc ur replying on my post about bu

but yeah if you’re reading the whole thing that’d be appreciated. Take notes though - the game is kind of complicated imo if you’re reading up (following in real time it’s fine but i’ve done shorter catchups and know it can be rough)

Bujab felt moderately town to me someone talk to me about your case on him.

I’m probably the wrong person to ask since I wanted to verify some meta and didn’t get to since I’ve been out all day - the post you quoted is my 2 cents on him though

[Rem]

Oh I thought the last line was asking for my thoughts on DoYouKnow, my bad.

[Sephiroth]

You are like...a *lot* better than this

?

[Flubbernugget]

Again people were trying to derail the Bu wagon right before it got to lynch. Will be taking a good hard look at those people if Bu flips scum.

In fact...

dayvig: sheep

Dude...

You are like...a *lot* better than this

So, I may have posted this too soon.

I've had this really weird feeling about seph the whole game because I just lost a scum game to him. He was very capable of articulating reads, interacting with players, and progressing the game. Like, he 100% had me snowed. Up until recent events, he's been really reserved, and I would honestly expect him to perform an exceptional game as either alignment considering his scum game. However, noting his recent interactions with Monkey, I might be attributing too much pure skill to him just having thrived in the environment we gave him in Nexus's normal (this by no stretch is implying he's a bad player btw).

What I'm also noting now is the similarities in how Monkey responded to Sephiroph's push and how he responded to mine. Notably:

-> Pushing discussion towards the accuser's aggression. With me, he called it fake. With seph, he's saying it's caustic and therefore unwarranted. Two different flavors of the same fallacious dismissal.
-> Trying to act as though it's acceptable to lynch for reactions as opposed to just lynching scum (I don't think he laced it with all the pre-flip association with me, but those are still convinient for scum to justify their early actions being wrong)
(As a corollary to the above point last time I played with monkey, he was town, and I don't remember him being so hesitant to lynch who he thought was scum)

Also, this wagon on an inactive slot is bad, and a waste of time.

VOTE: monkey

I'm willing to try this again while we wait for rem to catch up.

[Rem]

Page 12: Bujub, Katyusha, Hopkirk, Flubber, Not_Mafia all town to some degree.

[Rem]

lol expecting a decent catch up

[Katyusha]

is it a stretch to say he interacted to you and seph’s pushes on him simply because he townread seph and scumread you

also talk to me more about this previous game - how was that game similar to this one? Did that game also have a slot that just didn’t show up for the first two days? Were his scumreads pushing each other?

I normally don’t hesitate to lynch my scumreads here either but this game there’s a lot of reason to take things a bit slow. Context and circumstances are always key.

pedit: reads are a perfectly fine place to start

[Rem]

VOTE: Internecine

[Katyusha]

VOTE: Internecine

Interesting vote - is that just from your catch up?

[Rem]

Katy have you ever got around to explaining why HEM is town I am not really feeling it.

pedit: roughly page 20 atm, but I read his ISO

[humaneatingmonkey]

-> Pushing discussion towards the accuser's aggression. With me, he called it fake. With seph, he's saying it's caustic and therefore unwarranted. Two different flavors of the same fallacious dismissal.
-> Trying to act as though it's acceptable to lynch for reactions as opposed to just lynching scum (I don't think he laced it with all the pre-flip association with me, but those are still convinient for scum to justify their early actions being wrong)
(As a corollary to the above point last time I played with monkey, he was town, and I don't remember him being so hesitant to lynch who he thought was scum)

Fallacious dismissal sounds like a good band name. Good thing I'm not hesitant to lynch who I think is scum, then.

10/10 will case again

[Katyusha]

yeah I do a town case on him sort of

if i’m pocketed he did a really good job making his Hopkirk push feel real and nuanced