Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[northsidegal]

VC 1.16

votes

Internecine

(2): DoYouKnowDeWay, Hopkirk

Flubbernugget

(1): BuJaber

BuJaber

(2): Sephiroth, Sergtacos

DoYouKnowDeWay

(6): Not_Mafia, Internecine, mozamis, sheepsaysmeep, Katyusha, humaneatingmonkey

humaneatingmonkey

(1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting

(1): Rem

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-01-19 12:49:59)

Mod Notes

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[mozamis]

a hammer would be good.
but i'm less panicky than i was because this town has kept this lynch together for a while now, so i think we'll be good even i f we have to wait a bit longer.
if i dont make it, defintel ylynch hopkirk tomorrow. it's a very strong meta read.this isnt town hop.

[sheepsaysmeep]

i dont see how the hell doing this never occurred to me
UNVOTE:

l-1 this pls
i dont like having him hammered before he can actually realize he's a wagon
i'd hammer tomorrow if someone can convince me that hammering this early is actually beneficial

[sheepsaysmeep]

i'll look into hop as soon as i can i guess
i think moz's meta read is somewhat reliable

[mozamis]

it probably amounts to the same thing, but 12 hours from his prod seemed fair.

[Sephiroth]

unvote, vote: DeWay

Someone hammer. Sheep you're a major buzzkill.

[Not_Mafia]

unvote, vote: DeWay

Someone hammer. Sheep you're a major buzzkill.

[humaneatingmonkey]

UNVOTE:

[humaneatingmonkey]

>Doesn't think this wagon is good
>Wants hammer

Choose

[Hopkirk]

@BU: I've said this once, but I'll say it again. I am in GMT. I do not check the game threads past 10.30-11 unless in exceptional circumstances. I will never post at 3am.

I don't think there's any urgency in lynching hop. From my perspective I can't read him and his posts are sort of passive and neutral. If he's scum I don't think he'd be able to manipulate town into lynching someone of his choosing. But he's definitely a better lynch than lynching lurkers because he has posted enough where we could probably find some associative reads.

Weren't you townreading me?

Dictate my shot Im p sure

I don't see why we'd lynch UCV instead of shooting him. If you're town, or at least a SK willing to kill as town wants, then it's a much better idea to get a flip that gives us associations rather than a kill on an unclaimed null slot.

Can you recap me on what is AI about UC's behavior? If its meta I disagree.

He's had time to post and think about the game while being online and just... hasn't. At least Serg has some game advancing content, even if it's bad, and is also on v/la

But UCV isn't on v/la and has shown he's keeping up with the thread to some extent. Why are we getting nothing from him, then?

Lurking isn't AI, but actively choosing to lurk is scummy.

pedit: At this point I just want content. Post or perish.

ty

intern you should probably out a few vig targets - i dont know how i feel about a serg vig considering hopkirk is still around but i dont like leashing entirely because if you make good shots you might be able to prove you're not sk. i wouldnt oppose either

pedit: owo

Kat has me as his top scumread (except UC). Despite this he isn't pushing me. He's wanted wagons on other people but isn't trying on me for some reason.

[Hopkirk]

a hammer would be good.
but i'm less panicky than i was because this town has kept this lynch together for a while now, so i think we'll be good even i f we have to wait a bit longer.
if i dont make it, defintel ylynch hopkirk tomorrow. it's a very strong meta read.this isnt town hop.

You literally haven't played with me as town in a finished game, so either:
a.) You're scum and know this isn't true, or
b.) You're referencing an ongoing game.

Which is it? I already raised this point and you flat out ignored it.

i'll look into hop as soon as i can i guess
i think moz's meta read is somewhat reliable

This is scummy as fuck since I already brought up that Moz hasn't ever played with me as town, and I don't think you have either.

[Hopkirk]

Kat case will come if/when I have time, but I'm very busy at the moment, and it's pointless to rush it.

[BuJaber]

@hop - I go back and forth on you. I did townread you at one point yes. You're a null right now, but compared to lynching UCV your lynch is much more informative.

[Rem]

Hammering before we get a replacement helps scum so lets not do that

[Flubbernugget]

SKs are a thing you guys nothing about that claim is towny

We're not lynching the vig claim and sk's still need to hit scum anyway

[Katyusha]

Kat has me as his top scumread (except UC). Despite this he isn't pushing me. He's wanted wagons on other people but isn't trying on me for some reason.

I am a she and there’s plenty of reasons to not push your top scumread - you

know

this

I’m working with the rest of the town to push scummier blind spots - and if the UCV wagon turns out to be a bust then we can move on from it and let the replacement speak for the slot

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think there's any urgency in lynching hop. From my perspective I can't read him and his posts are sort of passive and neutral. If he's scum I don't think he'd be able to manipulate town into lynching someone of his choosing. But he's definitely a better lynch than lynching lurkers because he has posted enough where we could probably find some associative reads.

As much as I think lurker lynches are bad, you can still get associatives off of them.

[Flubbernugget]

We're dealing with my shot before this lynch

I'm fine with you guys leashing me

This should only be done with dayvig

[Flubbernugget]

ty

intern you should probably out a few vig targets - i dont know how i feel about a serg vig considering hopkirk is still around but i dont like leashing entirely because if you make good shots you might be able to prove you're not sk. i wouldnt oppose either

pedit: owo

You've been making a lot of bad points and your tone reads outside of the very beginning of the game haven't been very good and I'm starting to question the town reads on you.

[Katyusha]

my one and only toneread was n_m?

why do you keep insinuating I’m using exclusively tone to make reads

[sheepsaysmeep]

i'll look into hop as soon as i can i guess
i think moz's meta read is somewhat reliable

This is scummy as fuck since I already brought up that Moz hasn't ever played with me as town, and I don't think you have either.

i didnt recall you having said you hadnt played with moz as town at the time i posted that?
he apparently had a really strong meta read so i assumed he knew your meta pretty well

[sheepsaysmeep]

Hammering before we get a replacement helps scum so lets not do that

do you want to try to explain this

[Rem]

Hammering before we get a replacement helps scum so lets not do that

do you want to try to explain this

I'd like a role claim from the slot + potential content that is obvious town.

[Flubbernugget]

my one and only toneread was n_m?

why do you keep insinuating I’m using exclusively tone to make reads

I'm not insinuating you only make tone reads. It was often the only explanation as to why you disagreed with my points outside of me saying they're just bad.

[Katyusha]

Not_Mafia is kind of obvtown and your meta where he's more useful as scum is definitely wrong since i've seen him play a decent towngame before (he mislynched me but like i was playing like complete crap anyway and it's also on my ~secret main~; he solved the game in lylo and would have won if it werent for a stupid mechanic that got him instalynched)... besides decent tone 24 and 40 were also good posts that show townie thought process

???????????????????

I did address your reasoning on n_m (I absolutely have seen him make sense in town games before) and pointed out good points on why he seemed town at the time besides tone.

Do you think I white knighted not_mafia in a scummy way? Otherwise, why call this out?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=74417

^ also n_m town game i kind of wanted to talk about earlier but it was ongoing at the time but n_m is absolutely capable of being logical as town (he'll always retain trollishness but like it's possible to townread it)

but i've at least pointed to a non-meta and non-tone reason I townread him at the time. i dont see how either of us belaboring this conversation is productive but i have ample reasoning for all of my reads