Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Flubbernugget]

I'm not questioning your town read of nm and before that post, you seemed to understand I was doing the exact opposite

[Katyusha]

I'm not insinuating you only make tone reads. It was often the only explanation as to why you disagreed with my points outside of me saying they're just bad.

?

what read is this talking about then besides n_m because thats the only one i recall mentioning tone in

[Flubbernugget]

Literally every time you point to a post and try to explain to me why it's town, the reasoning is so absurd that I just gave you the benefit of the doubt that it was a tone thing I didn't see. Thinking about monkey's suspicions of you buddying him, you might just be coming from weird angles to grab a hold of the game state instead of scum hunt.

[Katyusha]

ok

[Katyusha]

Thinking about monkey's suspicions of you buddying him, you might just be coming from weird angles to grab a hold of the game state instead of scum hunt.

also this implies monkey town + im wondering how you would be able to differentiate between the two here

help me out a little?

[mozamis]

a hammer would be good.
but i'm less panicky than i was because this town has kept this lynch together for a while now, so i think we'll be good even i f we have to wait a bit longer.
if i dont make it, defintel ylynch hopkirk tomorrow. it's a very strong meta read.this isnt town hop.

You literally haven't played with me as town in a finished game, so either:
a.) You're scum and know this isn't true, or
b.) You're referencing an ongoing game.

Which is it? I already raised this point and you flat out ignored it.

1) you were effectively town in that weird upick game (he was "effectively" town because he had a weird shapeshifting/morphing role that meant he became town and won with tthe town in the end)
2)i cant talk about it AND YOU KNOW THIS SO DONT MENTION IT AGAIN

this is why your scummy - you KNOW i have played with as you as town, and you are seriously trying to argue the toss, perhaps even get me in trouble with the Mod?! Thats not town.

MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU ARENT DOING SHIT TO GET ANYONE LYNCHED.
Contrast you with someone like Seph. He may or may not be convinced that Doyou is scum, but he wants a hammer, he is trying to push the game forward, he is CURIOUS for a flip.
All you do is vote for peop[le that are neve gettong lynched today, like me and Kat. You jumped off the Baj wagon as soon as got near a lynch.
You literally show no interest in lynching anyone.

[mozamis]

we all good with lynching Doyou at 9pm GMT/4pm EST if nothing from him?

[sheepsaysmeep]

how about
we wait for the replacement to catch up

[mozamis]

Hammering before we get a replacement helps scum so lets not do that

Doyou is a replacement, and time is ticking by. We lynch tonight.
We have so much info for day 1 - th eamount of content is huge! We are good fro alynch.

p:edit - shit, have i missed that? has someone replaced in?

[sheepsaysmeep]

nah
he's getting replaced today

[mozamis]

*sigh*
just gotta hope town can keep this together *looks at Kat and Flubber*
dont talk too much!
and yes scumfucks

[mozamis]

I AM TRYING OT STIFLE DISCUSSION

[mozamis]

*TO

[sheepsaysmeep]

if i die

Spoiler:

remember me

[BuJaber]

a hammer would be good.
but i'm less panicky than i was because this town has kept this lynch together for a while now, so i think we'll be good even i f we have to wait a bit longer.
if i dont make it, defintel ylynch hopkirk tomorrow. it's a very strong meta read.this isnt town hop.

You literally haven't played with me as town in a finished game, so either:
a.) You're scum and know this isn't true, or
b.) You're referencing an ongoing game.

Which is it? I already raised this point and you flat out ignored it.

1) you were effectively town in that weird upick game (he was "effectively" town because he had a weird shapeshifting/morphing role that meant he became town and won with tthe town in the end)
2)i cant talk about it AND YOU KNOW THIS SO DONT MENTION IT AGAIN

this is why your scummy - you KNOW i have played with as you as town, and you are seriously trying to argue the toss, perhaps even get me in trouble with the Mod?! Thats not town.

MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU ARENT DOING SHIT TO GET ANYONE LYNCHED.
Contrast you with someone like Seph. He may or may not be convinced that Doyou is scum, but he wants a hammer, he is trying to push the game forward, he is CURIOUS for a flip.
All you do is vote for peop[le that are neve gettong lynched today, like me and Kat. You jumped off the Baj wagon as soon as got near a lynch.
You literally show no interest in lynching anyone.

Everyone needs to switch to hop then. What the fuck..

VOTE: hopkirk VOTE:

[BuJaber]

VOTE: hopkirk

[sheepsaysmeep]

Everyone needs to switch to hop then. What the fuck..

this is way too easily sold

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you now see the Hop-Buj binary that I've been seeing?

[Katyusha]

Do you now see the Hop-Buj binary that I've been seeing?

like ive been saying if bu is scum he's very willing to throw his vote at his partner here

i dont know yet if it's a binary

anyway at this rate i dont think threatening the dykdw slot will do anything so im fine waiting for a replacement to woo us

[Hopkirk]

a hammer would be good.
but i'm less panicky than i was because this town has kept this lynch together for a while now, so i think we'll be good even i f we have to wait a bit longer.
if i dont make it, defintel ylynch hopkirk tomorrow. it's a very strong meta read.this isnt town hop.

You literally haven't played with me as town in a finished game, so either:
a.) You're scum and know this isn't true, or
b.) You're referencing an ongoing game.

Which is it? I already raised this point and you flat out ignored it.

1) you were effectively town in that weird upick game (he was "effectively" town because he had a weird shapeshifting/morphing role that meant he became town and won with tthe town in the end)
2)i cant talk about it AND YOU KNOW THIS SO DONT MENTION IT AGAIN

this is why your scummy - you KNOW i have played with as you as town, and you are seriously trying to argue the toss, perhaps even get me in trouble with the Mod?! Thats not town.

MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU ARENT DOING SHIT TO GET ANYONE LYNCHED.
Contrast you with someone like Seph. He may or may not be convinced that Doyou is scum, but he wants a hammer, he is trying to push the game forward, he is CURIOUS for a flip.
All you do is vote for peop[le that are neve gettong lynched today, like me and Kat. You jumped off the Baj wagon as soon as got near a lynch.
You literally show no interest in lynching anyone.

Lets go over the game we're talking about here for those who didn't play it.

I was a third party. My role knew the names and abilities of every role in the game, but not who had them. There were two scum. Both scum had post restrictions that made them verifiable. I came out and revealed everything since I developed a breaking strategy for the (broken) setup. This was carried out and resulted in a win for the town, and me reaching my win condition.

At no point did this require any scumhunting whatsoever from me since I effectively knew who the scum were from the beginning of the game. It's clearly not a typical game, and Moz doesn't know my town meta since it was a case of resolving a breaking strategy, not scumhunting. He's also being very deliberately vague about how he thinks it compares.

He knows he has not played with me as town in a game where meta matters. It's as meta relevant as saying something like he's played chess with me would be to a mafia game.

'All you do is vote for peop[le that are neve gettong lynched today, like me and Kat. You jumped off the Baj wagon as soon as got near a lynch.
You literally show no interest in lynching anyone.'

This is insanely untrue.

I drove the Bu wagon, which is what I was on for most of the game. Can't say I wasn't interested in getting someone lynched. People (Kat) were complaining about me being too eager for the hammer on Bu...

Driving on HeM when it was tied for biggest wagon.

I was the third vote on intern and pushed for that. I stayed on him until it collapsed after the vig claim, and other people switching back to UC. Crazy to claim that's not someone who could get lynched.

(I also haven't voted for Kat like he claims, but no point engaging with reality, eh?)

Moz and Bu have to flip scum here.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Moz

[Hopkirk]

Moz is taking a game where I carried out a breaking strategy on a setup the mod afterwards admitted was broken. He is trying to use this as an example of my town meta. He is not aware of my scum meta, or my town meta in an actual game as that is the only game we've played together. Town cannot be that bad.

Bujaber is a very likely partner.

[BuJaber]

Everyone needs to switch to hop then. What the fuck..

this is way too easily sold

Is there any doubt in your mind that moz is lying about this?

Pedit - oh ffs

[BuJaber]

Okay one of you post the damn game number. Whoever's case makes sense I will lynch the other.

Also thank you for thinking I'm literally the worst scum possible.

[Hopkirk]

Everyone needs to switch to hop then. What the fuck..

this is way too easily sold

Is there any doubt in your mind that moz is lying about this?

Pedit - oh ffs

It's like trying to meta someone based on played one game of town of Salem with them- while they're afk at the time. Given he has intentionally not specified

how

he thinks it's similar, he can't be serious.

'https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=74351'
At the end, the mod says the game itself was basically a formality. Town literally couldn't lose unless they activily tried to. My entire posting past page 1/2 was resolving a breaking strategy from a state of perfect information.

Updated scumpool: Moz/Kat/Bu/Serg/Intern/UC