Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Hopkirk]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=74351

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Buj

Follow me!

[Hopkirk]

To note: from 31 in my iso onwards I'm talking funny because a post restriction stopped me using the letter 'e'.

I will vote Buj today if people aren't happy with Moz.

[sheepsaysmeep]

unhappy with moz
im busy sorting bu rn

[humaneatingmonkey]

this is the real deal. say meep and sheep me, sheep.

[Hopkirk]

@Kat: Haven't caught up yet. Posting as I read.

I wonder why nobody’s really commented on me/NM. I like NM too.

and an Hopkirk.
Played with twice when he was town and both times he was very active, proactive. it's early days but so far he has been lightweight.

I disagree with all three of these points.

Unless you're counting really old games (which either don't exist, or I've forgotten), we've only played one (completed) game together. I was third party playing protown and was more active because I had a succesful game breaking strategy that I needed to impliment. That required more words.

I disagree I didn't do anything in my first few posts. I got the UC wagon started which got us out of RVS and that/reactions to that are the cause of all the current wagons.

Also, I was the last post in thread as of when I went to sleep last night. I'm GMT.

149 Is where I first brought up Moz hadn’t played any games town-Hop. This was in response to 114 where he’d claimed to have played with town-Hop.

[Hopkirk]

Hammering before we get a replacement helps scum so lets not do that

Doyou is a replacement, and time is ticking by. We lynch tonight.
We have so much info for day 1 - th eamount of content is huge! We are good fro alynch.

p:edit - shit, have i missed that? has someone replaced in?

Since nobody else corrected Moz on this: Doyou isn't a replacement. It's UC playing under a different name.

[Flubbernugget]

Thinking about monkey's suspicions of you buddying him, you might just be coming from weird angles to grab a hold of the game state instead of scum hunt.

also this implies monkey town + im wondering how you would be able to differentiate between the two here

help me out a little?

I've been easing up on monkey being scum because if someone is extremely loud about something you're doing and you don't change it in the slightest, you're probably standing behind a genuine belief.

Though more importantly, I don't hunt scum teams D1 and I've made it incredibly obvious I don't hunt scum teams D1. I'm working hard to respect the different ways people scumhunt and you should probably give me the same respect here.

[Katyusha]

i mean i agree that game is a bad indicator of hop's meta but if anything that should show that moz is town here

and im also not really seeing how being wrong or right about someone's meta makes them scum





still eagerly waiting hop's scumcase on me

Thinking about monkey's suspicions of you buddying him, you might just be coming from weird angles to grab a hold of the game state instead of scum hunt.

also this implies monkey town + im wondering how you would be able to differentiate between the two here

help me out a little?

I've been easing up on monkey being scum because if someone is extremely loud about something you're doing and you don't change it in the slightest, you're probably standing behind a genuine belief.

Though more importantly, I don't hunt scum teams D1 and I've made it incredibly obvious I don't hunt scum teams D1. I'm working hard to respect the different ways people scumhunt and you should probably give me the same respect here.

thats fine? if you havent noticed ive been warming up to the idea you may be town

i was hoping you'd give insight though on how you would tell if i'm genuinely scumhunting vs looking for something to latch onto in the gamestate though

[Navigator]

im here. it is almost lunch. i will post then

[Flubbernugget]

Also, I'm surprised you had a change of heart on the ucv wagon. The timing now that they're close to replacement seems as though you just wanted the wagon to muddle vca and waste time.

VOTE: buj

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah i have the flu i cant do any of this shit rn
im psure flubb is town at this point
rem/kat/nm/moz still all likely town

ugh that prodge

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay DeWay you have until lunch because I am extremely impatient

[Katyusha]

im here. it is almost lunch. i will post then

looking forward to it then - please actually play the games you sign up for.

Also, I'm surprised you had a change of heart on the ucv wagon. The timing now that they're close to replacement seems as though you just wanted the wagon to muddle vca and waste time.

VOTE: buj

he was like 1 hour from getting replaced - the point of the wagon is to emphasize that he's going to die if he doesn't post and if he's just getting replaced then it's moot

he's not getting replaced so i'm still very eager to lynch him

[Hopkirk]

@1358: how does that make Moz more town to you? It's an intentionally (since he ignored the first time I refuted it) bad meta case. It's not a case of wrong/misguided- it's made with the intent of being misleading.
It is very unlikely I will be posting a scumcase on you before deadline as a.) time issues, b.) stronger lynch preferences c.) i don't see myself dying, so there's no urgency.
If you'd like to make a case on me as requested though, that would be nice.

[sheepsaysmeep]

kat, for your seph meta read, do you see the possibly of seph just having lack of motivation

[humaneatingmonkey]

A preview of what can happen if you don't post 6 hours from now.

[Hopkirk]

He has been online and posting in other games.

He has a past precedent of replacing out of games when they get too fast as town.

Don't provide excuses for him if they're not there - if he has an issue with the game length then he can voice that but he still has shown that he's reading along in his subsequent posts.

DYKDW is a big boy, I'm sure he can defend himself on his own. Especially considering his lynch is for more than just inactivity.

im here. it is almost lunch. i will post then

looking forward to it then - please actually play the games you sign up for.

Also, I'm surprised you had a change of heart on the ucv wagon. The timing now that they're close to replacement seems as though you just wanted the wagon to muddle vca and waste time.

VOTE: buj

he was like 1 hour from getting replaced - the point of the wagon is to emphasize that he's going to die if he doesn't post and if he's just getting replaced then it's moot

he's not getting replaced so i'm still very eager to lynch him

'the point of the wagon is to emphasize he's going to die if he doesn't post...'
'meta/general activity makes him likely to flip scum anyway.

can you pick one? These are mutually exclusive, and you denying the first when you said it wasn't a policy lynch.
Either you're happy to lynch him either way, or you aren't. You're saying conflicting things again.

[Katyusha]

@1358: how does that make Moz more town to you? It's an intentionally (since he ignored the first time I refuted it) bad meta case. It's not a case of wrong/misguided- it's made with the intent of being misleading.
It is very unlikely I will be posting a scumcase on you before deadline as a.) time issues, b.) stronger lynch preferences c.) i don't see myself dying, so there's no urgency.
If you'd like to make a case on me as requested though, that would be nice.

moz's gameplay in that game feels identical to this one was my point - i need to follow the conversation once more to see if it's a deliberate misrep myself

i've provided like preliminary thoughts on why i felt you were scum but i need to follow up with reading your scumgame in lycan's open

He has been online and posting in other games.

He has a past precedent of replacing out of games when they get too fast as town.

Don't provide excuses for him if they're not there - if he has an issue with the game length then he can voice that but he still has shown that he's reading along in his subsequent posts.

DYKDW is a big boy, I'm sure he can defend himself on his own. Especially considering his lynch is for more than just inactivity.

im here. it is almost lunch. i will post then

looking forward to it then - please actually play the games you sign up for.

Also, I'm surprised you had a change of heart on the ucv wagon. The timing now that they're close to replacement seems as though you just wanted the wagon to muddle vca and waste time.

VOTE: buj

he was like 1 hour from getting replaced - the point of the wagon is to emphasize that he's going to die if he doesn't post and if he's just getting replaced then it's moot

he's not getting replaced so i'm still very eager to lynch him

'the point of the wagon is to emphasize he's going to die if he doesn't post...'
'meta/general activity makes him likely to flip scum anyway.

can you pick one? These are mutually exclusive, and you denying the first when you said it wasn't a policy lynch.
Either you're happy to lynch him either way, or you aren't. You're saying conflicting things again.

why pick one when i can articulate how they dont conflict owo

the point of the wagon is to emphasize he's going to die if he doesn't post, we're picking him specifically because his general activity is scummy in comparison to other lurkers so prod him first

[humaneatingmonkey]

you mgiht as well not have an opinion on Kat, Hop. lmao

[Hopkirk]

You also said around the time of the first quote:
'He's ignoring the game deliberately.'
and that you're fine with the hammer.

That doesn't seem much like 'pushing a lurker'.

Either you think he's scummy enough to lynch, or you don't think he's scummy enough to lynch.
Can you confirm, based on 1368, that it is the second- that you do not think he is

currently ]/i] scummy enough to be hammered right now, with caveats that this will change based on his posts, and when it gets closer to deadline.

[Hopkirk]

you mgiht as well not have an opinion on Kat, Hop. lmao

Eh, I mean there's no point posting a case at the moment since Kat isn't getting lynched today anyway.
Nobody's really commented on the inconsistencies I'm pointing out so they'd probably just skip high effort walls anyway.

[Katyusha]

yes, he is not scummy enough to be hammered right now with caveats that this will change based on his posts and when it gets closer to deadline

also i ctrl-f'd just to make sure but the places where i said i was fine with a hammer i was generally playing along with a lolhammer in case ucv logged on and thought he was hammered

you mgiht as well not have an opinion on Kat, Hop. lmao

Eh, I mean there's no point posting a case at the moment since Kat isn't getting lynched today anyway.
Nobody's really commented on the inconsistencies I'm pointing out so they'd probably just skip high effort walls anyway.

people read my high effort walls so uh

this isnt really a good reason to not out a controversial read

[Katyusha]

VOTE: DeWay

Fine with me

Good decision

What changed from it being a placeholder?

UC continuing to ignore the game and Rem posting.

at this point though i'm fine with the hammer

in context so it's clear i was responding to a lolhammer from monkey

[Hopkirk]

If I die you'll be suspicious.
If I don't die, I can post it.
So it doesn't matter what happens at night.


I have two people (Moz/Bu) more likely to flip scum.
No point unless they both claim verifiable prs.
So it doesn't matter what happens today.