Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Beefster]

For the record, I suspected mozamis for a while. I can't say I like his voting patterns.

you literally never expressed any suspicion of me.
so yeah, your vot eon me does look dodgy.

I legitimately thought I did. I must've remembered something wrong.

[Beefster]

Hmm, any specific reasons for giving Transcend the BOTD?

Because I read him as a town lean at first and he only looked iffy after his interaction with RC.
BOTD until I do an ISO, which will be as soon as I catch up.

[Beefster]

EP writes a lot but doesn't say much?
There's nothing particularly scummy about him but I wouldn't be shocked.

Beefster is someone I change my mind about frequently. I'd lean town atm. He did say it's his first game in ages or whatever so that could explain some of the awkwardness

Actually it's my third game, but yeah. I recall being prime lynch bait before.

[Beefster]

I get the sense that RC is trying to run the show right now. I don't like that. I also detect fishing here and there. I also will say that I think his claim is fake. Scum know which two roles are safe fakeclaims, so it's not like it's hard not to get cc'd. He also seems to be buddying COA.

I believe Transcend's claim over RC's. Those were some pretty impressive theatrics if both of them are scum. Transcend also has a lot more to lose and has a verifiable claim. (Note that it isn't 100% falsifiable, but the mafia would have to kill his vig target to make us mislynch him as a vig.) He has too much to lose, so I think we can be pretty sure that he is telling the truth and therefore town.

[Beefster]

Oh. I should probably
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
with that kind of accusation.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah okay like
I've said this a lot but
there is no way in fucking hell that you think that I am scum right now and this isn't even meta dependent I've spewed myself town all over the recent pages of the thread.

VOTE: Beefster

Was already voting but just making a symbolic rejection of beefster's face.

[Beefster]

@HWS: turns out BOTD on Transcend was the right thing to do. I def think he's town.

Hm, I feel like my posts are getting ignored here. I also didn't get really get any responses that I'm satisfied with from my questions. Is it my posting style?

I'm retracting my retraction on my mozamis read, which is to say that I'm fairly confident that he's town and is now posting exactly how I remember him to post from our last game together.

Texcat has done nothing to make me remember that he is in this game.

Go into detail on that please? I'm very curious where you're getting a scumread on me from Bella.

Why did you completely ignore everything I said in 186 to ask Bella about why she agreed with me? Am I a leper or something?

These are all abysmal posts and I'm fine with a Turbo wagon here.

Ite let's own

VOTE: coa

I just don't see scum replacing into a game to jump on the least popular wagon. Okay. Sure. This is total WIFOM... but only on its own.
Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but the progression looks genuine.

I'm literally confirmable sis

If two people don't die tonight then instantly neck me tomorrow.

If i am scum, I'm just a goon buying one more day

He makes a good point. Claiming a confirmable role is probably one of the worst scum plays you can make.

Other than those posts, I'm going to go with gut. Transcend screwing around with the fake cc was definitely questionable, but overall, I think it got shit done and made a point.

[Beefster]

I'm just going to call out the scumteam right now: RC/mozamis/COA

COA's silence at this point in the game is telling.

[RadiantCowbells]

lol

okay sweetheart

[Transcend]

Not moz

[RadiantCowbells]

Not moz

i can still lynch you just for the principle of the thing if you're not gonna back me up as town

I'm done I don't wanna play 20 questions I put in my time everyone can back the fuck off

[Transcend]

Yr ok

[Beefster]

Let's do it Athena!

You touch CoA I'm policy lynching you tomorrow to prevent you from vigging again.

Buddying

if it's beefster/EP/Maxous someone is buying me pizza

I'm just matching your wrong scumteam with mine which is probably also wrong on at least one person. I think I've got at least one of them right.

But you're not thinking about it with Beefster?

And I don't know, 'particularly if my other scum reads are wrong' sounds like an excuse to have a verbally declared scumread on EP while continually looking elsewhere for the wagon that you'd actually support.

This was the post that sparked the thought that RC is fishing. Looking back at it, it's really more like priming or trying to run the show, but meh. Whatever. Details are for suckers.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is of course the RadiantCowbells show, where only RadiantCowbells matters

[Beefster]

... And where the claims are made up and the lynches don't matter.

[mozamis]

I'm just going to call out the scumteam right now: RC/mozamis/COA

COA's silence at this point in the game is telling.

yes, her spweing vitrio at me, and me perhaps not being at my diplomatic best was just scum theatre?
VOTE: beefster
i think you are full of shit, voting RC?! it's a massive stretch, and what happened to your vote on me? Which also came out of nowhere?

[Beefster]

Well considering the three of you are my top suspects and that a fake claim is the most damning... Yeah. I'll keep my vote on the fake claim.

[Beefster]

Though, by all means, if you want a high-information lynch, I'm not a bad option.

[texcat]

What would be the motivation for fake claiming? It just means that you're outed as scum sooner rather than later.

[Transcend]

Hmmm

[Klick]

@Transcend

Go on then, humor me. Quote any of your posts so far that explain your scumread on me. I call bullshit.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not even defending myself

if I get shitlynched D1 as PR that's on you guys.

[CultOfAthena]

I looked over Bellaphant's ISO and realized that her first 10 posts were pretty bad. RadiantCowbells's entrance looks a bit more buddy-buddy and lighthearted than I would expect. I can see where people are coming from with the Bellaphant/RC wagon.

Texcat hasn't really done anything. I have a poor history with defending lurkers who end up flipping scum so I'd be more willing to lynch him than typically.

Going for lynch bait?

I'm not just going to cherry pick though.

I've noticed COA has defended herself mostly with deflecting questions.

I can't seem to shake this gut read and I could see a possible COA/Bellaphant/??? scumteam.

As for that connection specifically, I just noticed Bella's early reads were in favor of COA. It's a really weak connection, I know. Probably just confirmation bias rearing it's ugly head at me.

Copying transcend's opinions?

Spoiler:

Lol haha hehe voting the lynchbait

Thor - I just don't like her tone and her posts don't feel game solve-y. They mostly feel like

deflections

of darts thrown against her and not really "hey: this is mafia because..."

Also i was just in a mini with her and srd her for the same thing. However there was a massive wave of resistance and i couldn't get her lynch into motion. Everyone tred her. Everyone was wrong but me.

So I'm willing to hear out a town case on her, but "x's reaction to y" doesn't really sell me.

Also, I'm not sure you actually understand what a deflecting question is. I have been

questioning

the people voting me, yes – there's nothing "deflecting" about it.

Could you do me a favor and point me to this?

I'm not going to quote PenguinPower's entire ISO, but you can quite clearly check for yourself that what I'm saying is true – his entire interaction with Thor he almost singularly responded to Thor, discussing the validity of the argument against him solely without any discussion of what the conversation meant in terms of town and scum. His entire ISO, the only real read seems to be on Maxuous (a weak wagon). People say that my ISO is devoid of reads, but even if I don't often explicitly state people as town or scum, you could still get a sense of where my reads are just by reading what I'm saying. The same isn't true of PP's ISO.

I split up what I would normally make as one post into multiple to see if it would get people to read what I was saying more. You're interpreting all of the posts there as a reaction to Beefster, but that isn't the case.

That may definitely be true, but my point is that I think that your reaction in general is something I think is a plausibly common reaction from scum in your situation.

This is too vague of a response to be meaningful. What are you referring to as my "reaction" in that situation?

CoA why have you vanished from this game since I showed up while posting elsewhere?

I'm just going to call out the scumteam right now: RC/mozamis/COA

COA's silence at this point in the game is telling.

I'll admit to getting sidetracked on my posting yesterday, but I check this game and respond to things at largely the same time every day.

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Moving my vote off of Transcend – that situation will resolve itself come tomorrow, and was mainly still there for when PP came back to the thread.
VOTE: Beefster (L-2)

RC, could you explain where your locktown on me comes from?

I'm still convinced mozamis is town. Yes, he's all over the place – that's just how his towngame.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you think that I shouldn't townread you?

[CultOfAthena]

Do you think that I shouldn't townread you?

No, I'm just wondering where the strength of the read comes from – it's a lot more confident of a read than most other people in the game seem to have and you entered the thread with it.