Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[sheepsaysmeep]

i'll try to vca when i find time
i dont even think these are even reliable but i'll try
team mafia might get in the way

[humaneatingmonkey]

Massclaim is a better option than a no lynch. Both give us the same amount of information without the risk of a third party killing role or a mafia killing role taking the win from us.

The argument is that scum would probably kill someone blindly and take someone out of our POE is not a really good one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, we had two vigs and one cop. Scum is too OP or there's a third party. If the latter, there's probably only four town existing.

[Katyusha]

Vig/Cop/Doctor in town and scum with a roleblocker is something I have definitely seen before

Agreed with monkey that massclaim is better here, we can analyze PR claims and save our no lynch for if we get to the point where it’s mostly vanilla.

Disagree tho that.... anything that happened d2 was remotely ok or optimal. I don’t see why forcing an ultimatum on someone while on vla is productive especially once it was clear emotions were coming in. I feel stupid for thinking it could be scum emotion and assuming a normal person replaces out but the right thing to do would have just been to let it go. Let bygones be bygones though, my blacklist can start filling up post game.

Ftr I’m refraining from giving reads until it’s clear we aren’t no lynching

[Flubbernugget]

Why do you want a no lynch for mostly vanilla?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Seph was responding and his V/LA was almost done once I placed the ultimatum. And even after the V/LA, he didn't choose to play the game as town would. I don't feel sorry for pushing on what I think is scum behavior, even if that turned out to be town. It's only Sephiroth who took it to next level shitfest, let's not be confused.

[Not_Mafia]

I support a lynch today and mass claim

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm not no-lynching. I think sheep would not no-lynch. I think you won't no-lynch. Not_Mafia is no-lynching. We just need 5. If two more would chip in and say they wouldn't no-lynch, I'm claiming and this massclaim needs to happen.

[Katyusha]

Why do you want a no lynch for mostly vanilla?

Because at that point getting the info from the night kill is more reward than loss - it's impossible for there to be a pr that can get information or prevent a kill at that point.

[Flubbernugget]

Right. I was thinking along the lines of that giving a pr less utility but given the flips that's not likely

[Katyusha]

btw if we agree to a massclaim, are we popcorning or doing an order?

if so i dont know who should determine the order

[Katyusha]

anyway im off to do my hw uwu

will try not to get lost or behind in this game again despite being sick

[Firebringer]

Not mafia is confirmed town

[Katyusha]

Not mafia is confirmed town

is this a claim?

[Firebringer]

Yes

[Katyusha]

you probably should have waited until massclaim but in that case i guess n_m determines the claim order then??

i would like a full claim at some point

[Katyusha]

would be floored if fire/n_m is s/s and i'm assuming town!fire has no reason to lie

[Firebringer]

I would honestly do that as scum

[Firebringer]

Not Mafia
Humaneatingmonkey
Giga

Are all in my town group.

[Katyusha]

Sephiroth (6): Not_Mafia, humaneatingmonkey, Internecine, Firebringer, Katyusha, Sephiroth

also that would mean from fire's pov this is either an all-town wagon or there's at least one scum in me/HEM

fire how plausible do you think either scenario is

I would honestly do that as scum

i am aware of that, but given the gamestate it's a bad call for you imo

Not Mafia
Humaneatingmonkey
Giga

Are all in my town group.

i guess that answers the above question, but in that case who are you looking at for scum first?

[Firebringer]

Flub, rem, sheep and hopkirk

Leaning towards flub right now
He was my second choice for chekc

[Katyusha]

See, my initial issue with that was how adamantly Mozamis wanted me and flubber to stop fighting with each other - does a scum!Flubber kill a less active mozamis over me when I was suspecting him, more active, and more townread?

I dont really know if mozamis gave pr vibes, it was far from something on my mind but maybe people unfamiliar with him would think so??

[Katyusha]

Moz, Buj, Hop all feels upside down to me. Considering she doesn't scum read Hop and Flubb and Moz, I can't see why she townreads Buj. This is highly unusual to me and I want to know more.

it could be weird cos shes scum.
i mean, claims to have got up to p20, and yet didnt comment on any of the main events? town are naturally curious.
it's nothing definite, but a fos nontheless.
still, deal with her tomoorw.

actually this might be more pressing and is why i wanted to talk to rem yesterday anyway?

[Katyusha]

The mozamis kill should definitely be something we're analyzing. I don't think WIFOM kills are helpful at all to scum, especially in a monkey+me!town world where scum most likely tried to work with Seph to attack monkey's credibility D1

[Firebringer]

I am going to go eat I’ll be back in a bit
I think we should popcorn to flubber first.

I’ve basically claimed, so want to hear him