Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Actually, this is important.

@skirtskirt

: Please indicate exactly how much your teammates have been contributing to your game since gamestart. Who/what/where/how.

now you see it.

[mhsmith0]

vc

Votecount 1.01

Almost50 (2)

MathDino, skirt skirt

skirt skirt (1)

Lady Lambdadelta

UC Voyager (1)

Keychain

Not Voting (11)

Everyone Else

Day one deadline is Sunday February 4, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-02-04 21:00:00)

Mod note: It's late and I haven't set up spreadsheet yet. No links for you

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

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[skirt skirt]

Skirt mimics your answers, sure, and that's not nearly as big of an issue as his lack of CONVICTION in doing so. I would expect a town player to either hard agree or hard disagree when you take a stance like you did, but he kind of.... sat the fence, tonally and content wise.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73125
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72998

You don't like meta, cool. Don't townread me for a lack of conviction. But, those are my most recent scum games; showing conviction and posting confidently as scum is easy, you know that as a competent scumread. Please don't scumread me for dogshit.

VOTE: A50

LLD town after further consideration.

In Team Mafia it also traps you into a specific view point on the other teams and their choices. We're 5 connected games, remember?

A lot of reactions are based on position, much like poker. I feel that with regards to your position there I expect town to lock themselves in more, similar to how MathDino did.

Sidebar: I go to a poker club and play with some friends, haha. Sidebar2: the poker equivalent of meta is very relevant :lenny:

I am locking myself into positions; I gave reads as early as possible, to generate content. That's generally how I like to play early game; I focus more on creating content to play with. I think you're town because I think you think I'm a rando/trash and you are using newbtells on me. Based on newbtells, I'm scum. More garbage wifom reading I can't back up: I initially reaction voted you because I figured town!you would be smart enough to sort me as town here and I entirely planned that if you came into the thread and voted me you'd be scum. Garbage wifom #3: math's comment made me think, and to expand I don't think scum!lld takes a scum pm in a normal game because there's confirmed not godfathers or role fuckery, a cop is moderately likely, and everyone will be suspecting you to draw scum. Also though, your perspective makes sense. I don't really think I can be meta read so that's perfectly valid, though I welcome people to try.

I'm also self aware enough to know the above paragraph is dogshit and also worthy of a scumread. I'm posting it anyways. I also entirely expect dunker to be town and to enter the thread voting me. Then I expect him to talk to Boon, who will correctly sort me as town, and unvote. I expect MathDino to vote me after this post. I expect you to consider unvoting me, but not do it. I expect Maria to townread me. Just opened another tab and saw outstanding questions, so I'll answer those now.

Actually, this is important.

@skirtskirt

: Please indicate exactly how much your teammates have been contributing to your game since gamestart. Who/what/where/how.

I have been contributing to my teammates games. They have not read this thread. Their only contribution has been me asking about Keychain.

[skirt skirt]

Oh, you asked Who. Just Giga and JJ. Transcend has not talked in chat and Lycan is asleep I think.

[Mathdino]

Hey just so everyone's aware (and this is near the pagetop so all of team mafia can see it):

PROBABILITIES FOR TEAM COMPOSITION

Crunched some numbers. From a spectator's standpoint, a random team has a:

33% chance of getting all 5 town.
41% chance of getting 4 town 1 scum.
20% chance of getting 3 town 2 scum.
5% chance of getting 2 town 3 scum.
Negligible probabilities otherwise.

I'm currently toying with the idea that

going out of your way to tell people

"My team got all 5 town PMs"

without being prompted to answer this kind of question

is a scumclaim.

Will letcha know if I've made any progress on this.

Edit: skirt's response is concerning, yeah. I want more eyes.

[Mathdino]

SKIRT. Why are you nullifying your own ability to read people by fucking

predicting what they're going to do?

[skirt skirt]

Hey just so everyone's aware (and this is near the pagetop so all of team mafia can see it):

PROBABILITIES FOR TEAM COMPOSITION

Crunched some numbers. From a spectator's standpoint, a random team has a:

33% chance of getting all 5 town.
41% chance of getting 4 town 1 scum.
20% chance of getting 3 town 2 scum.
5% chance of getting 2 town 3 scum.
Negligible probabilities otherwise.

I'm currently toying with the idea that

going out of your way to tell people

"My team got all 5 town PMs"

without being prompted to answer this kind of question

is a scumclaim.

Will letcha know if I've made any progress on this.

Edit: skirt's response is concerning, yeah. I want more eyes.

every team is going to say they are all town. there is virtually no benefit to saying otherwise.

SKIRT. Why are you nullifying your own ability to read people by fucking

predicting what they're going to do?

/r/iamverysmart

(the real answer is :X you can sr or dumb read me for it if you want)

[skirt skirt]

can we get back on topic?

wtf is 54 relevant for lmao

[ChannelDelibird]

Hi all. Won’t have a chance to get really stuck in until this evening (GMT) but the Goo is confident that a

Vote: LLD

is the best place to start. She went out of her way to draw scum in the last Team Mafia and wouldn’t let a little thing like having her preference being public knowledge stop her from taking a scum PM again if possible.

[Mathdino]

Read the italics.

I would actually argue that for a plurality of teams, there's a very very large benefit for the scum teammate in saying "we got all 5 town PMs".

I'd rather not keep talking about it too much. Still working on that theory.

Edit: lol CDB

[Radja]

I'm currently toying with the idea that going out of your way to tell people "My team got all 5 town PMs" without being prompted to answer this kind of question is a scumclaim.

Can you explain this to me? That makes no sense to me at all.

[skirt skirt]

The benefit you're thinking of is that one of my teammates will flip town and I'll look better, right? I will drop it.

I spoke to my team about whos read this game just for you baby

transcend called dino town, giga eyerolled at lld's scumread of me and called them gut town

[Mathdino]

@Radja: Nah. Another day.

I also don't want to accidentally bait people tournament-wide into breaking the rules.

Radja if you're here give thoughts on skirt vs LLD.

Edit: lol I seriously doubt Transcend is reading too deeply but I appreciate it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi all. Won’t have a chance to get really stuck in until this evening (GMT) but the Goo is confident that a

Vote: LLD

is the best place to start. She went out of her way to draw scum in the last Team Mafia and wouldn’t let a little thing like having her preference being public knowledge stop her from taking a scum PM again if possible.

When you get a chance can you read Skirt's opening interaction with MathDino and reply with thoughts specifically wrt my posting and Math's posting on the past 2 pages.

Thanks.

[Keychain]

I spoke to my team about whos read this game just for you baby

transcend called dino town, giga eyerolled at lld's scumread of me and called them gut town

This seems very shallow.

[skirt skirt]

I spoke to my team about whos read this game just for you baby

transcend called dino town, giga eyerolled at lld's scumread of me and called them gut town

This seems very shallow.

The deep end was removed due to an elderly person drowning. It was a very sad event.

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So I'm going to be the first wagon of the game it seems. Interesting. Its just past 3 am and I have a lecture at 9, so I'll take my leave.

[Elena Fisher]

I'm definitely going to be taking their input onboard because that's part of the fun of the team thing and I also think it'll help with my weaknesses as town. But only to the extent that I agree with it or find it worth pursuing, since I'm the one playing the game.

Why no vote when we already have some information rather than starting from scratch?

Also keen to hear your answer to your question.

What information do we have here? Also why do you feel like (or want) me to vote? It's a RVS vote and it does not acomplish much at all this talk on "Player A prefs (town/scum)" is a huge wifom fest like I could tell you: My mains pref scum but on my tryhard account I pref town but that really does help nothing because it's a huge wifom as I already said
What does voting do for you

As to answer your question (or my own) I will mostly be working solo/not asking for help as I want to be the helper not the help...e? If my team has a strong read I will hear it but mostly I will be doing things myself why did you want my answer over others?

VOTE: almost50


theres a difference between spamming (lmfao ethers game) and posting a lot. i am a very active poster, i like to sort people with real-time interactions

also, i don't know about the italicized really, but she is good at scum yea. giga did agree keychain is good at scum, but she really doesn't like it. though, i supposed based on their team they dont have anyone i consider overly likely to pick scum. guess i wont lock town them, but they can be town for now.

I don't think you should be paranoia reading someone the logic of "This person is good at scum so don't tr them for ___" has really left a bad taste in my mouth (personal bias aside) it seems like a really easy excuse for scum to make to stop trs

I wouldn't, because you as scum are gonna answer whatever benefits you most. And yeah NSG was the one who said that.

I did the research on as many players as I could in the 30 mins before gamestart. After I posted, NSG called me out and took it up with me, lol.

Help me read skirt?

Thought exercise:

You and Skirt shared an interaction on Page 1 regarding pregame meta choice reads.

You had some divergence of opinions but the posts where you go more indepth on your feelings of what might be meta are essentially the same form/type of content, agree?

If so, I want you to do something for me. Go examine your post (also hi, I probably should have opened with this but you're town ftr. I'm 1000% convinced) and then examine Skirt's posting and tell me if you can identify a difference. If you can't or you would rather I show you before you saying things (given I have a town read on you, I'm fine with this), I'll explain.

But basically, I want to see if you see what I see before I bias you. Because I have a read on skirt.

Interested to hear this I hope to see some sort of scum motivation instead of dif in play as first pinged me

i wonder if you're going to call me out for being too agreeing or if you have something more interesting cooked up

Do you find being super agreeing and friendly scummy? More so I should ask if you find buddying scummy in this case

#SheepingMathDino

hrm
VOTE: LLD

[Elena Fisher]

Skirt mimics your answers, sure, and that's not nearly as big of an issue as his lack of CONVICTION in doing so. I would expect a town player to either hard agree or hard disagree when you take a stance like you did, but he kind of.... sat the fence, tonally and content wise.

Skirts list felt like more of a joke then Math's did to me that's why I understand the lack of unnf behind the post. I'm still trying to debate if Math is town or not and would love to hear how you got a giant blatant tr on that slot he places votes on someone assuming they got a scun pm without thinking posts team comp % it's a bunch of weak stuff that I can see scum trying to use to have a reason to vote don't you think if someone is likely to take a scum pm they wouldn't do it for that exact reason. Quite simple really pushing on that logic is bad and wrong

I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I'm seriously not getting it, so I'll just tell you what I've been thinking and you explain in full instead of leading me.

The amount of convergence that skirt and I are having is unreal, and the fact that he locked an immediate townread on me for doing Mathdino-y things was highly concerning.

Then the fact that he sheeps me and is generally super friendly with me and my logic to the point of my pointing out one detail influencing his opinion?

I think skirt skirt is scum. Wasn't gonna say anything yet. I like my vote where it is given that I have more confidence in my ability to read A50 than skirt skirt.

If you think I left something out, lemme know, but otherwise it's your turn.

Edit: GOTTEMMMMMMMM

This post also screams convenient to me
I don't like either of your slots so far but maybe you can prove me incorrect.

[Elena Fisher]

Hey just so everyone's aware (and this is near the pagetop so all of team mafia can see it):

PROBABILITIES FOR TEAM COMPOSITION

Crunched some numbers. From a spectator's standpoint, a random team has a:

33% chance of getting all 5 town.
41% chance of getting 4 town 1 scum.
20% chance of getting 3 town 2 scum.
5% chance of getting 2 town 3 scum.
Negligible probabilities otherwise.

I'm currently toying with the idea that

going out of your way to tell people

"My team got all 5 town PMs"

without being prompted to answer this kind of question

is a scumclaim.

Will letcha know if I've made any progress on this.

Edit: skirt's response is concerning, yeah. I want more eyes.

I believe it is in the rules for us to say "we all got 5 town pms" and we're not allowed to say otherwise.

I spoke to my team about whos read this game just for you baby

transcend called dino town, giga eyerolled at lld's scumread of me and called them gut town

This seems very shallow.

I somewhat was tring the post mostly because the way Eddie said the little events seemed like they really happened where as scum Eddie/skirt would have to make of these events interested to see more although nothing skirt has posted in this game has made me tr him yet (or I could be lying who knows)

All caught up

[Elena Fisher]

Perfectly fine with my LLD vote as I think her stance against skirt was just really bad and taking advantage of the situation at hand from what I gather Math seems like a stupidly easy person to pocket and maybe LLD caught onto that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Skirt mimics your answers, sure, and that's not nearly as big of an issue as his lack of CONVICTION in doing so. I would expect a town player to either hard agree or hard disagree when you take a stance like you did, but he kind of.... sat the fence, tonally and content wise.

Skirts list felt like more of a joke

then Math's did to me that's why I understand the lack of unnf behind the post. I'm still trying to debate if Math is town or not and would love to hear how you got a giant blatant tr on that slot he places votes on someone assuming they got a scun pm without thinking posts team comp % it's a bunch of weak stuff that I can see scum trying to use to have a reason to vote don't you think if someone is likely to take a scum pm they wouldn't do it for that exact reason. Quite simple really pushing on that logic is bad and wrong

I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I'm seriously not getting it, so I'll just tell you what I've been thinking and you explain in full instead of leading me.

The amount of convergence that skirt and I are having is unreal, and the fact that he locked an immediate townread on me for doing Mathdino-y things was highly concerning.

Then the fact that he sheeps me and is generally super friendly with me and my logic to the point of my pointing out one detail influencing his opinion?

I think skirt skirt is scum. Wasn't gonna say anything yet. I like my vote where it is given that I have more confidence in my ability to read A50 than skirt skirt.

If you think I left something out, lemme know, but otherwise it's your turn.

Edit: GOTTEMMMMMMMM

This post also screams convenient to me
I don't like either of your slots so far but maybe you can prove me incorrect.

Alarm bells going off.

[Smocaine]

Smocey off the spirte

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you read the actual game, for more than actual cherry picking, you'd know this is actually not true because

Skirt Skirt was the one to suggest that he and Math discuss pre-game meta things.

[Smocaine]

Math, what percentage ofr your team is friends with you?

[Smocaine]

Skirt mimics your answers, sure, and that's not nearly as big of an issue as his lack of CONVICTION in doing so. I would expect a town player to either hard agree or hard disagree when you take a stance like you did, but he kind of.... sat the fence, tonally and content wise.

Skirts list felt like more of a joke

then Math's did to me that's why I understand the lack of unnf behind the post. I'm still trying to debate if Math is town or not and would love to hear how you got a giant blatant tr on that slot he places votes on someone assuming they got a scun pm without thinking posts team comp % it's a bunch of weak stuff that I can see scum trying to use to have a reason to vote don't you think if someone is likely to take a scum pm they wouldn't do it for that exact reason. Quite simple really pushing on that logic is bad and wrong

I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I'm seriously not getting it, so I'll just tell you what I've been thinking and you explain in full instead of leading me.

The amount of convergence that skirt and I are having is unreal, and the fact that he locked an immediate townread on me for doing Mathdino-y things was highly concerning.

Then the fact that he sheeps me and is generally super friendly with me and my logic to the point of my pointing out one detail influencing his opinion?

I think skirt skirt is scum. Wasn't gonna say anything yet. I like my vote where it is given that I have more confidence in my ability to read A50 than skirt skirt.

If you think I left something out, lemme know, but otherwise it's your turn.

Edit: GOTTEMMMMMMMM

This post also screams convenient to me
I don't like either of your slots so far but maybe you can prove me incorrect.

Alarm bells going off.

Something else is going off, ya feel?