Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Smocaine]

VOTE: lld[/g]

[Smocaine]

VOTE: lld

[Mathdino]

I'm very confused as to why skirt's teammates weren't actively following this game in particular.

@Elena

: In a team of high quality scum players, I agree that someone likely to take scum would purposefully avoid it (that's actually why some are avoiding voting LLD; I'm confused why you jumped on anyway). HOWEVER, in the case of a high skill differential between players, when there's really a single obvious choice for scum on a team, I think that's worth pursuing. A50 is better at scum than his teammates. Anyone else playing scum here would likely flounder. There's a 66% chance his team got a scum role PM and as an INITIAL VOTE in the FIRST POST OF THE GAME when ONLY SIX PEOPLE HAD POSTED I think that's a fair vote. I'm not gonna switch until I see content.

I don't understand what's convenient about that post. It's literally what I was thinking and what I'd been talking to my teammates about. I also have a tendency of getting buddied by rational-type players and then getting pocketed, so.

You also didn't read the italics. Yes, if anyone asks "how many scum role PMs did you get" the answer is always "0". THE PROBLEM is using the logic of "I'm town because we got 5 town role PMs, but I would've taken scum if we got any of those".

Do you see no issue with going out of your way to say that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

PREGAME iMPRESsiONS TiME #CONTENT

T-Bone, From Young and Beautiful - haven't played with you in ... a long time.
Lady Lambdadelta , From DEFCON - one of the best players. also one of the biggest egos. actively expect i'll get in a shouting match with lld at some point.
Keychain, From Team Cuddly - we were gonna have you <3 i'll let giga meta you. newish, goodish, townish.
Aeronaut, From Relaxed Nature - meh
ChannelDelibird, From God Save the Black Goo - meh
Bins, From Make Papa Proud - meh
Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies - ew. probably town because he's complete lynchbait and #teammeta i don't think boon would give him scum
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents - good.php
Smocaine, From Who is John Galt? - the best kind of lynchbait.
Mathdino, From Serious Business - good.php. tryhard iirc. haven't played much.
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes - last game we played they subbed out due to irl and havent since . ? i
Elena Fisher, From Backhanded Remarks - mariAAAAAA
UC Voyager, From Spam Squad - roflcopter
Almost50, From Sauciety - good player that i dont really know much about other than they generally seem good ?


this concludes a useless post

who wants to play the game of would.this.person.have.taken.a.scum.pm with me?

In this post he even kind of gets his "joking pre-game quick read shit" out of the way, calls it useless, and then asks for someone to play the "who would take scum PM" game with him

How can that sequence of events be interpreted as a joke if you actualy read that sequence of events? I don't understand.

[Mathdino]

Math, what percentage ofr your team is friends with you?

Why do you care?

[Mathdino]

Perfectly fine with my LLD vote as I think her stance against skirt was just really bad and taking advantage of the situation at hand from what I gather Math seems like a stupidly easy person to pocket and maybe LLD caught onto that.

Look at this point I'm defending my pride here. I had the "skirt is almost definitely scum" idea in my mind from around 15 posts in. But seeing as he was the only one around to talk to me, I decided to work with him and generate some content for others to look into. I wasn't initially planning on revealing this scumread until we had everyone check in.

When she started pushing skirt and then pushed me to give thoughts on him, that's when I dropped the logic from earlier.

You seem to have this impression that just because everyone (or a really good player) says some guy is scum and writes a fancy case, I'll agree with it.

I seem like I'm easy to pocket because I'm friendly and I treat everyone like they're town while talking to them.

[Smocaine]

Because in the last game I played with you you posted a bunch of votals and numbers things to look townie. You flipped scum.

[Smocaine]

just answer the question.

[Mathdino]

You're thinking of someone else. I haven't finished a scumgame (without jesters) in 3 years.

Clarify/correct yourself and I'll answer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Speaking of answering questions, can I get someone to take a look at that "joking" excuse line from Elena regarding Skirt Skirt's posting, especially in reference to what I quoted?

[Smocaine]

I have my own metrics to measure.

[Smocaine]

You're thinking of someone else. I haven't finished a scumgame (without jesters) in 3 years.

Clarify/correct yourself and I'll answer.

?

[Elena Fisher]

(Wow people are online and active? This is nice)

If you read the actual game, for more than actual cherry picking, you'd know this is actually not true because

Skirt Skirt was the one to suggest that he and Math discuss pre-game meta things.

What makes you think I'm cherry picking? I have been reading the game maybe I got the events in question mixed up but I don't believe I did

I'm very confused as to why skirt's teammates weren't actively following this game in particular.

@Elena

: In a team of high quality scum players, I agree that someone likely to take scum would purposefully avoid it (that's actually why some are avoiding voting LLD; I'm confused why you jumped on anyway). HOWEVER, in the case of a high skill differential between players, when there's really a single obvious choice for scum on a team, I think that's worth pursuing. A50 is better at scum than his teammates. Anyone else playing scum here would likely flounder. There's a 66% chance his team got a scum role PM and as an INITIAL VOTE in the FIRST POST OF THE GAME when ONLY SIX PEOPLE HAD POSTED I think that's a fair vote. I'm not gonna switch until I see content.

I don't understand what's convenient about that post. It's literally what I was thinking and what I'd been talking to my teammates about. I also have a tendency of getting buddied by rational-type players and then getting pocketed, so.

You also didn't read the italics. Yes, if anyone asks "how many scum role PMs did you get" the answer is always "0". THE PROBLEM is using the logic of "I'm town because we got 5 town role PMs, but I would've taken scum if we got any of those".

Do you see no issue with going out of your way to say that?

So you believe Almost50 took a scum pm if there team had one because the other memebers on it would be bad on scum? There are many things wrong with this because of factors and variables we have no way of knowing maybe he's a pr he really enjoys maybe they got no scum pms etc etc I think the vote is bad I wouldn't mind if the vote wasn't srs but the fact you're basing it on this logic just seems like a reach from me from someone who seems to take a lot of steps into account

PREGAME iMPRESsiONS TiME #CONTENT

T-Bone, From Young and Beautiful - haven't played with you in ... a long time.
Lady Lambdadelta , From DEFCON - one of the best players. also one of the biggest egos. actively expect i'll get in a shouting match with lld at some point.
Keychain, From Team Cuddly - we were gonna have you <3 i'll let giga meta you. newish, goodish, townish.
Aeronaut, From Relaxed Nature - meh
ChannelDelibird, From God Save the Black Goo - meh
Bins, From Make Papa Proud - meh
Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies - ew. probably town because he's complete lynchbait and #teammeta i don't think boon would give him scum
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents - good.php
Smocaine, From Who is John Galt? - the best kind of lynchbait.
Mathdino, From Serious Business - good.php. tryhard iirc. haven't played much.
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes - last game we played they subbed out due to irl and havent since . ? i
Elena Fisher, From Backhanded Remarks - mariAAAAAA
UC Voyager, From Spam Squad - roflcopter
Almost50, From Sauciety - good player that i dont really know much about other than they generally seem good ?


this concludes a useless post

who wants to play the game of would.this.person.have.taken.a.scum.pm with me?

In this post he even kind of gets his "joking pre-game quick read shit" out of the way, calls it useless, and then asks for someone to play the "who would take scum PM" game with him

How can that sequence of events be interpreted as a joke if you actualy read that sequence of events? I don't understand.

The post you just qouted is the one you're mainly sr Skirt for yes? This is clearly a joke post with barely if any thought behind it if this is not the post in question you're sring skirt for let me know.

[Mathdino]

LLD, less than half the playerlist has checked in in a non-prodgey way. It's possible (extremely unlikely but possible) that everyone here is town.

I'd like to pump the brakes on revolving the game around 1 or 2 discussions. This gives a massive advantage to the 15th player to check in if they're scum. This is also how towns implode. This is ALSO why I was withholding that earlier scumread.

That said, are you suggesting an Elena/skirt connection?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

(Wow people are online and active? This is nice)

If you read the actual game, for more than actual cherry picking, you'd know this is actually not true because

Skirt Skirt was the one to suggest that he and Math discuss pre-game meta things.

What makes you think I'm cherry picking? I have been reading the game maybe I got the events in question mixed up but I don't believe I did

I'm very confused as to why skirt's teammates weren't actively following this game in particular.

@Elena

: In a team of high quality scum players, I agree that someone likely to take scum would purposefully avoid it (that's actually why some are avoiding voting LLD; I'm confused why you jumped on anyway). HOWEVER, in the case of a high skill differential between players, when there's really a single obvious choice for scum on a team, I think that's worth pursuing. A50 is better at scum than his teammates. Anyone else playing scum here would likely flounder. There's a 66% chance his team got a scum role PM and as an INITIAL VOTE in the FIRST POST OF THE GAME when ONLY SIX PEOPLE HAD POSTED I think that's a fair vote. I'm not gonna switch until I see content.

I don't understand what's convenient about that post. It's literally what I was thinking and what I'd been talking to my teammates about. I also have a tendency of getting buddied by rational-type players and then getting pocketed, so.

You also didn't read the italics. Yes, if anyone asks "how many scum role PMs did you get" the answer is always "0". THE PROBLEM is using the logic of "I'm town because we got 5 town role PMs, but I would've taken scum if we got any of those".

Do you see no issue with going out of your way to say that?

So you believe Almost50 took a scum pm if there team had one because the other memebers on it would be bad on scum? There are many things wrong with this because of factors and variables we have no way of knowing maybe he's a pr he really enjoys maybe they got no scum pms etc etc I think the vote is bad I wouldn't mind if the vote wasn't srs but the fact you're basing it on this logic just seems like a reach from me from someone who seems to take a lot of steps into account

PREGAME iMPRESsiONS TiME #CONTENT

T-Bone, From Young and Beautiful - haven't played with you in ... a long time.
Lady Lambdadelta , From DEFCON - one of the best players. also one of the biggest egos. actively expect i'll get in a shouting match with lld at some point.
Keychain, From Team Cuddly - we were gonna have you <3 i'll let giga meta you. newish, goodish, townish.
Aeronaut, From Relaxed Nature - meh
ChannelDelibird, From God Save the Black Goo - meh
Bins, From Make Papa Proud - meh
Dunkerdoodles, From Chillplay Bombahskiies - ew. probably town because he's complete lynchbait and #teammeta i don't think boon would give him scum
Bulbazak, From Queue Agents - good.php
Smocaine, From Who is John Galt? - the best kind of lynchbait.
Mathdino, From Serious Business - good.php. tryhard iirc. haven't played much.
Radja, From Dandy Irate Hoes - last game we played they subbed out due to irl and havent since . ? i
Elena Fisher, From Backhanded Remarks - mariAAAAAA
UC Voyager, From Spam Squad - roflcopter
Almost50, From Sauciety - good player that i dont really know much about other than they generally seem good ?


this concludes a useless post

who wants to play the game of would.this.person.have.taken.a.scum.pm with me?

In this post he even kind of gets his "joking pre-game quick read shit" out of the way, calls it useless, and then asks for someone to play the "who would take scum PM" game with him

How can that sequence of events be interpreted as a joke if you actualy read that sequence of events? I don't understand.

The post you just qouted is the one you're mainly sr Skirt for yes? This is clearly a joke post with barely if any thought behind it if this is not the post in question you're sring skirt for let me know.

No, it's not. Let me grab you the post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would take scum if we rolled scum (lol we all rolled town I stg not that you know that) if we valued winning over everything because I have a significantly better scum wr than my team afaik, but I wouldn't if we were playing more socially and for fun.

I adamantly believe Keychain and Dunker are town off of this game, Radja I guess I agree. Bins from what I remember hates scum so yea that's fine too. Don't know CDB or T-Bone play-wise at all so no comment.

UCV... I guess. No clue for bulba. LLD, A50, Smoke, definitely realistic for scum. I haven't actually seen A50s scum game I don't think, but iirc Chara said A50 is their scummer?

There are others in the string of posts that are kind of in the same offensive vein, but this is the post that is most damning to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, less than half the playerlist has checked in in a non-prodgey way. It's possible (extremely unlikely but possible) that everyone here is town.

I'd like to pump the brakes on revolving the game around 1 or 2 discussions. This gives a massive advantage to the 15th player to check in if they're scum. This is also how towns implode. This is ALSO why I was withholding that earlier scumread.

That said, are you suggesting an Elena/skirt connection?

I'm not suggesting any pre-flip connective tells that's fucking terrible. I'm suggesting that independently I would like to see other people beyond me weigh in on that comment, because I want to use that pressure to determine if it was purposefully misunderstanding the point and thus dodging it, or if it is town just derping.

[Elena Fisher]

Perfectly fine with my LLD vote as I think her stance against skirt was just really bad and taking advantage of the situation at hand from what I gather Math seems like a stupidly easy person to pocket and maybe LLD caught onto that.

Look at this point I'm defending my pride here. I had the "skirt is almost definitely scum" idea in my mind from around 15 posts in. But seeing as he was the only one around to talk to me, I decided to work with him and generate some content for others to look into. I wasn't initially planning on revealing this scumread until we had everyone check in.

When she started pushing skirt and then pushed me to give thoughts on him, that's when I dropped the logic from earlier.

You seem to have this impression that just because everyone (or a really good player) says some guy is scum and writes a fancy case, I'll agree with it.

I seem like I'm easy to pocket because I'm friendly and I treat everyone like they're town while talking to them.

I guess we'll just have to see then.

Because in the last game I played with you you posted a bunch of votals and numbers things to look townie. You flipped scum.

I like this feels real and not fake Smocaine taking an aggro approach like this feels towny (a bit of meta too)

[Mathdino]

So you believe Almost50 took a scum pm if there team had one because the other memebers on it would be bad on scum? There are many things wrong with this because of factors and variables we have no way of knowing maybe he's a pr he really enjoys maybe they got no scum pms etc etc I think the vote is bad I wouldn't mind if the vote wasn't srs but the fact you're basing it on this logic just seems like a reach from me from someone who seems to take a lot of steps into account

...yes. And I know I'm not alone in that because this is very agreed upon Team Mafia logic. When people can choose their alignments, it changes things.

You're reading wayyy too far into it. An early vote/wagon is intended to generate pressure. This forces the target to generate readable content. From the standpoint of my very first post, knowing nothing about the gamestate, A50 seemed by far the most likely person to be scum. Because of any team, I believe his has the most skill differential in scumplay.

If I have extra information from the beginning of the game (meta of preferences and skill) I'm not going to make a random vote when I can vote someone more likely to be scum than anyone else.

If you still think that's a reach, I don't know what to say.

Edit: LLD JESUS STOP QUOTE WALLING

[Mathdino]

You're thinking of someone else. I haven't finished a scumgame (without jesters) in 3 years.

Clarify/correct yourself and I'll answer.

?

I literally don't know what the fuck scumgame you're talking about. Do you think I'm an alt? Or did we play together and I just don't remember it? Or are you an alt?

Cuz I don't recognise you at all and I've finished like 4 games since your join date.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So you believe Almost50 took a scum pm if there team had one because the other memebers on it would be bad on scum? There are many things wrong with this because of factors and variables we have no way of knowing maybe he's a pr he really enjoys maybe they got no scum pms etc etc I think the vote is bad I wouldn't mind if the vote wasn't srs but the fact you're basing it on this logic just seems like a reach from me from someone who seems to take a lot of steps into account

...yes. And I know I'm not alone in that because this is very agreed upon Team Mafia logic. When people can choose their alignments, it changes things.

You're reading wayyy too far into it. An early vote/wagon is intended to generate pressure. This forces the target to generate readable content. From the standpoint of my very first post, knowing nothing about the gamestate, A50 seemed by far the most likely person to be scum. Because of any team, I believe his has the most skill differential in scumplay.

If I have extra information from the beginning of the game (meta of preferences and skill) I'm not going to make a random vote when I can vote someone more likely to be scum than anyone else.

If you still think that's a reach, I don't know what to say.

Edit: LLD JESUS STOP QUOTE WALLING

APPARENTLY IF I DON'T HIT THE QUOTE BUTTON PEOPLE GO "OH YOU MEANT THIS POST RIGHT" AND IT'S NEVER THE RIGHT POST EAT THE BIGGEST FATTEST CHODE YOU CAN FIND I'M ALREADY FIGHTING A LOSNG BATTLE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND ME FFS.

[Elena Fisher]

I would take scum if we rolled scum (lol we all rolled town I stg not that you know that) if we valued winning over everything because I have a significantly better scum wr than my team afaik, but I wouldn't if we were playing more socially and for fun.

I adamantly believe Keychain and Dunker are town off of this game, Radja I guess I agree. Bins from what I remember hates scum so yea that's fine too. Don't know CDB or T-Bone play-wise at all so no comment.

UCV... I guess. No clue for bulba. LLD, A50, Smoke, definitely realistic for scum. I haven't actually seen A50s scum game I don't think, but iirc Chara said A50 is their scummer?

There are others in the string of posts that are kind of in the same offensive vein, but this is the post that is most damning to me.

I dislike his reads on the meta part of "player would take ____" but I hate everyone who would do that I don't see anything in this post that pings me like "SCUM SCUM SCUM" tell me a bit more detail?

...yes. And I know I'm not alone in that because this is very agreed upon Team Mafia logic. When people can choose their alignments, it changes things.

You're reading wayyy too far into it. An early vote/wagon is intended to generate pressure. This forces the target to generate readable content. From the standpoint of my very first post, knowing nothing about the gamestate, A50 seemed by far the most likely person to be scum. Because of any team, I believe his has the most skill differential in scumplay.

I guess I can somewhat understand this view point I still dislike the standpoint of the read I guess the only thing that will help fix this issue is see how you progress with this almost50 read
Pedit: LLD I will happily listen to you we clearly misunderstood what post (or I did) was in question here. I don't think anyone has gone like "haha don't listen to LLD"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

STEP 1: GO TO YOUR LOCAL SUPERMARKET
STEP 2: FIND YOUR BUTCHER
STEP 3: ASK FOR A SLICE OF PRIME CHODE
STEP 4: GO HOME
STEP 5: RUB THAT CHODE DOWN WITH SALT AND PEPPER
STEP 6: PANFRY THAT SHIT
STEP 7: EAT A CHODE

[Mathdino]

Preliminary reads suggest Elena is derptown and to a lesser extent so is Smocaine (in retrospect I actually don't think Smoke would take a scum PM either).

Edit: LLD, your words are way less noticeable when 96% of your post is taken up by

other people's words

. Edit out the stuff that's not important, dude. I'm listening but the walls are making it harder.

Edit2: Jesus christ you're doing it too Elena

like i'm glad this isn't the spamgame

but please don't make this the 1v1 wallgame

[Elena Fisher]

I'm not trying to 1v1 LLD I just want her to quote the 2 posts in question between you and skirt and say why skirts is bad (or just quote the 2 posts and I'll go look at her reasons again) because I clearly thought it was the wrong post.
Also how dare you call me derptown I'm offended!