Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Elena Fisher]

Your post was pretty full of nothing or topics already said Bins but It feels somewhat town on the thought process through everything. Why are you voting Almost50? How do you feel about LLD

[Bins]

I'm saying what LLD and skirtskirt are doing is suspicious, yeah. My team agrees.

I'm trying to get used to making larger posts because otherwise I just do the same thing but in 50 posts.

Do I trust LLD/skirt when I say their team is 100% town? Heck no. Do I think it makes them scum? I have no idea.
I have quite a few people who haven't posted yet that'd I'd be down to vote because I'm trying to work it out.


skirt skirt - He said he would take the scum PM, he said Transcend would take the scum PM, he said they didn't get a scum PM. Skrew pointed this out as weird right when it happened.

I would take scum if we rolled scum (lol we all rolled town I stg not that you know that) if we valued winning over everything because I have a significantly better scum wr than my team afaik, but I wouldn't if we were playing more socially and for fun.

I can tell you straight up if we had rolled a scum pm I would have not wanted to take it. We didn't regardless which is good because none of us wanted it. Probably would've given it to Transcend tbh

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[Elena Fisher]

Btw bins and everyone who clearly doesn't understand

It's a rule that you can not say your team is anything but town

Saying your team got all town isn't AI it's an outright rule that we must follow

[Bins]

No, I know. I’m saying there’s a difference between saying it and saying it for a reason that you’re town.

[skirt skirt]

LLD: My preliminary lunch-break skimread of the skirt stuff is that it’s weird that he’s acting like his who-picked-scum theorising started here in this thread rather than in his team PT. Your criticism of his levels of conviction is reasonable. Caveat: I don’t know him at all and I can’t remember if I know anything about his team. Agree that mathdino looks very town.

More in-depth read of the game coming this evening as promised.

Ah, god. The amount I want Mathdino to be town.

VOTE: skirt
No second skirt for you.

I have other suspects but they haven't posted yet and I feel I should give them the chance to do that.

The reason I don't like the "My entire team rolled town" is because I just can't trust it. No one should trust it and I don't think it's worth saying, even if your team did roll all town. Just based on numbers and odds, it's not going to help you. And it definitely isn't a good defence. When I draw out my table and my reads, no matter what you say, I'm going to start with the idea that each team has one scum unless my reads prove otherwise.

There are three situations here:

1) You aren't lying and everyone on your team is scum.
2) You are lying and you are town and someone on your team is scum. You're trying to save their ass, maybe. Pre-emptive, but sure.
3) You are lying and you are scum.

2 is the weird one because there are teams in the game that know you are lying, because they have scum partners with someone on your team. Therefore, I feel the only position you can say this in is 1/3.

Not sure if you agree with this Math, but I'm not sure.

I really don't have any townreads based on Meta on who would pick town.
I have a few better suspects but they haven't posted yet and I'd like to wait for that because I want to avoid 1v1s before I sort my thoughts. I have a lot of pages to read in other games still.

I'm also not sure I fully trust Maria. Just based on her team and who would pick scum. I need to read the other games.

I think the best argument for "my whole team is town" being scum is thst when one of my teammates flips town I look better. I think that's what mathdinkle was getting at too.

btw, smocaine, mathdinkle isn't MathBlade. I would have game swapped if it was.

[Almost50]

FIRST

VOTE: Almost50

Lol'd when I saw we're together.

Anyway you're clearly the scum of your team so this is a serious vote. More rambles on team compositions incoming.

Or maybe this is exactly what we thought and decided I won't be playing a Scum role if we rolled any? And then we ended up not receiving any red PMs anyway? Just a maybe

VOTE: ChannelDelibird

Literally don't know them. I may not have played with Bulbazak or Smocaine before, but I saw the names before (Smocaine, I was following the last game as I was considering replacing in before momo took the slot).

I'm going to take the risk and ASSUME Mathdino is Town here (obviously for no apparent reason other than me HOPING he is). Very tangible vivid trust, is it not?

[Almost50]

How much are you going to let your teams reads influence you or do you plan on going more solo?

Generally speaking it'd be around 50-50 for me. Or let's say I'd let them scum hunt and I will review and assess their reads against mine and see if they may have a point or if my reasoning is stronger (in the case that we have different reads)

[Almost50]

LLD, Bulbazak, Smoke, UCV, A50, skirt skirt are the most likely players to take scum in my mind.

Much less likely players are Keychain, T-Bone, CDB, Bins, Dunker, guessing Radja rn but I have to check who his teammates are.

Your turn in the game.

How about we stop this kind of assessment and try to develop reads from within this thread? I want a wagon to sheep that eventually leads to a lynch on Scum, me giving correct reads and getting shot on N1!

[Dunkerdoodles]

wtf the game started

[Dunkerdoodles]

I'm trying to understand what you're saying but I'm seriously not getting it, so I'll just tell you what I've been thinking and you explain in full instead of leading me.

The amount of convergence that skirt and I are having is unreal, and the fact that he locked an immediate townread on me for doing Mathdino-y things was highly concerning.

Then the fact that he sheeps me and is generally super friendly with me and my logic to the point of my pointing out one detail influencing his opinion?

I think skirt skirt is scum. Wasn't gonna say anything yet. I like my vote where it is given that I have more confidence in my ability to read A50 than skirt skirt.

If you think I left something out, lemme know, but otherwise it's your turn.

Edit: GOTTEMMMMMMMM

my teammates told me skirt looked like scum but then said he was town

[skirt skirt]

okay I have a gift for you Matheson!
transcend
read
the
game
!!!!
the below is paraphrased from transy cause idt we can copy logs

"usually i have a correct snapread on keychain but I dont. leaning town, maybe 75%.
bins maybe town
radja looks town
don't like channels vote
no idea how to read Elena, gun to head town
419 scumclaim"


I don't actually understand what transcend means by 419 I asked him, not how any of cdbs posts are scum claims, but :shrug:

[Almost50]

but iirc Chara said A50 is their scummer?

I'll probably stop arguing regarding this matter, but ask Chara if they would say they could reliably predict what I'd do had my team rolled a Scum role at all! I mean, having just won as SK I would expect investigative roles to be all over me just in case. This means it'd be suicidal for me to pick a scum role to begin with. I don't want to get into hypothetical claims, so I;m not going to ask anyone to out there target if they were Cop. Just answer it to yourself and decide if it would be wise for me to volunteer to play a Scum role to begin with.

Suffice it to say, if I was Scum and there's a Cop I'm likely caught on N1. It won't be even for anything wrong I'd do. It'd be because many players (including my own hydra p) are promoting me as a good scum player, but neglecting to say I'm also clever enough not to pick a scum role -under the circumstances- if given the choice.

I want to place KeyChain in the Town lean pile for now.

[Dunkerdoodles]

on page 4
VOTE: mathdino

i'll respond to questions after my catchup

[skirt skirt]

LLD: My preliminary lunch-break skimread of the skirt stuff is that it’s weird that he’s acting like his who-picked-scum theorising started here in this thread rather than in his team PT. Your criticism of his levels of conviction is reasonable. Caveat: I don’t know him at all and I can’t remember if I know anything about his team. Agree that mathdino looks very town.

More in-depth read of the game coming this evening as promised.

oh, probably this because it was referring to cdb. you should go read my town hydra games, I always think in the thread not in pts.

VOTE: CDB why not

[Dunkerdoodles]

oh nobody noticed me'

anyways i think lld is town
almost willing to call skirt vs math is tvs

[Bins]

wha

[Almost50]

I would still like to call Keychain and Dunker close to lock town on no basis, especially the former.

O feel you on KC, but why Dunker?

[Dunkerdoodles]

I would still like to call Keychain and Dunker close to lock town on no basis, especially the former.

O feel you on KC, but why Dunker?

cause apparently i'm so bad my team wouldn't give me scum

[Dunkerdoodles]

on quick meta dive math is town
but
it was also a slightly bastard game so
and he could be in like extra tryhardy mode for this game
so idk

[Almost50]

He's gonna be hard as shit to read.

Not if you pay close attention

[skirt skirt]

noticed you, nothing to say tho. boon is probably the closest to being able to meta me out of anyone in team mafia I think, w eve played a ton. and, I know boon is the kind of player to follow all 5 games assuming he isn't too busy with work.

math, the game is 12 town instead of 10. the more disparity the worse it is for scum to lurk because there's more townies and more potential for cohesion by consequence. I don't value the advantage of lurking because you also haven't had a chance to towntell.

back to dunker: what about mathdink pings you?

[skirt skirt]

I would still like to call Keychain and Dunker close to lock town on no basis, especially the former.

O feel you on KC, but why Dunker?

cause apparently i'm so bad my team wouldn't give me scum

I don't think youd want scum, not that your team would disallow it. ITA was real... real bad. As town I've seen your reads be decent excluding me when weve played (lolcat).

[Almost50]

(scumteam with Elmo and someone I forget).

Chip Butty, I think.

[Dunkerdoodles]

earlier on when you guys were talking about meta he for some reason didn't talk about his and tried to avoid it i feel

pedit: well tbh i honestly wanted scum but we drew 5 town pms so

[Almost50]

I'm beginning to regret opening with the team composition spec. Kinda ruined early game.

I rest my case. Thank you.